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I'm not sure if the whole "intelligent vs dumb " thing is a human projection. What I know is it does appear intelligently designed. Like look at animals ..or even your body ..eyes see like a camera ..ears hear ..a digestive system etc. Or how planets orbit around the sun. Just the very fact that there are physical laws at all governing the universe and are knowable to us as humans and can be described with mathematics and allow us to predict the movements of planets and stars . Etc. Fascinating.

The dating section has turned into a shitty Discord chat room. Its saddening.

This one.

Because you are engaging in trolling. Is trolling wise ?

Even "Higher Purpose " is relative . Someone is a scientist..other one is a novel writer .

But this is unwise of you to do .

Sure .we agree then. There is no God-given purpose and its relative to each human. That's what a lot of people have difficulty figuring out.

I understand your point better now. I see no problem with creating a purpose for one's life . What I disagree with is "You can't not create purpose " . That's not true . Do you realize that that's basically the whole point of meditation and enlightenment? To just sit there and free yourself and your mind from thoughts about future (and past as well)and detach yourself from this and just achieve a state of pure being ? Of just being present in the moment without feeling lack and without needing any carrot to run after ?

No.we are not here to anything. There is no life catalog. Do whatever you want. Wanna create a purpose go ahead .wanna rot in your couch go ahead.

What is the message you are implying?

@saif2 There is no purpose. The question of purpose occurs after you're done with your day and fullfiling your needs and desires. After you eat and drink and marry and have children and entertain yourself and maybe learn about the universe and maybe achieving wealth or success or fame ....then what ? Nothing. You just go back to baseline. That's why people get addicted to heroin .and ironically that's why heroin addicts are some of the most miserable people in the world ..because they are like "then what ?". Old people look depressed and grumpy and low tempered for the same reason because they've seen it all and went through all the diverse range of experiences in this life and now it's time to say goodbye but again .."then what ?". Children don't have a purpose. They just play and enjoy the moment completely. And when They get tired they rest their heads on the pillow and fall asleep witin few minutes . Animals don't even know what the fuck you are talking about 😂 . Observe cats..what do cats do ? They just look for food ..reproduce and just sit there doing nothing. Do you think a cat asks itself what is the purpose of my life ? I think enlightened people are like children and cats regarding this .

@UnbornTao OK whatever. Not sure why I'm feeling a bit of arrogance Vibes from you ..as if you are the only person in this world who is construct aware

@Oppositionless It has to do with the law of attraction .its a valid law. Its a fundamental law that runs this world we live in . You can notice it in your life.you literally tend to attract and manifest and actualize and materialise things that you think about the most . If you obsess over a particular thing you tend to really get it sooner or later . I was taking a walk earlier today and puzzled by some questions regarding spiritual topics and I kid you not this youtube channel just popped into my youtube main page and it had three videos which were exactly about the questions I was thinking about..it had me shocked: deep wisdom in these videos btw

@UnbornTao but isn't the same thing happening to you as well?

That's basically all of what morality and being good in the world boils down to .

I don't know who you are but obviously you still identify as a Muslim..I'm not saying this is a good or bad thing ..but why bother at all clarifying the widespread misunderstanding and demonisation of Islam if you've broken out of identification with a religion? I agree with everything you said btw. All religious scriptures are metaphorical because they talk to the mind .they use language and concepts so they can only speak metaphorically. There is this "prison planet " dude on youtube I've been following who's saying the common factor between all religions is to get out of this physical existence because that's the symbolism of hell vs heaven in islam ..and Samsara vs Nirvana in Buddhism. And alike in the Hindu religion moksha and Christian religion the paradise as well. He sounds like a kid who's having problems getting laid or something and he's now projecting this onto the world calling this life in this world a "prison planet ".

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One of the reasons Suffering exists to nodge you to seek truth and inqure about deep things in life . If life was always easy and a road of roses you'd never seek anything deep.

@UnbornTao I see . Does it necessarily have to take one week of contemplation before I post my answers?

Always great to see Leo chatting with people. I just wish this happens here in this community .until when do we have to talk like soldiers to army generals. I feel like it's time for more intimate conversations with him. Come on some of us here has been around since day one . Overall very cool podcast .

I've touched on it before. Likewise goes for disagreement. And also the fact that most people care about being right and sounding intelligent and outwitting others instead of arriving at the truth of the discussion they are having or even just exchanging thoughts and opinions neutrally ..because at the end of the day we are not goning to agree upon everything..people are different by default and inside their heads there are different beliefs and opinions they've gathered from all the informations they have been exposed to in their entire lives .not a surprise to me that people on this forum who are supposedly highly Conscious lack this ability sometimes .

I would say there is no difference between the two . There are sensations in the body . And they feel different. This has nothing to do with mental judgement. A feeling of smelling a perfume is different than a feeling of your palm bleeding . The mental judgement arises to urge us to seek one and despise the other .to survive. But when I'm in the moment of something bad It seems like seeing through it mentally doesn't resolve the physical annyonance.

They follow each other but I don't think they cause each other . The conditioning and identification with my thoughts dissolves to a huge degree when I'm alone and relaxed physically and mentally . But whenever I'm involved physically or mentally in an a "negative " experience I lose that enlightened state of detachment . Are you saying this very judgement of the other state perpetuates it?

Thanks. Thats my point .it arrived. Figure out the implications of this on your own.

@Ziran listen . A guy has Tumour in his brain that makes him only sexually attracted to children. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S221026121630219X?__cf_chl_tk=3bb13oQPQb_RjtFaUCFjKygQVsBol9gW0m6qlEDmr_c-1771441711-1.0.1.1-9Eqamx4igNB.1GGINtNl.Pm2m6FyZe8.kGvQaQggJbA Pedophilia is brain tumor. So a Pedophile guy sees a child ..brain signals send orders to his body to move and go rape that child . Its called Casual Determinism. "Wrong " is NOT found In The casual chain. Philosophical argument: wrong means this thing should not happen . So unfortunately it did happen. Its a fact .how could something "wrong " even exist ? I would like a respectful answer that deals with my reasoning. .