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Here's something more "minfucky " than solipsism. There is no perceiver. light falls on a object then gets reflected into your eyes then goes to the perception centers in your so called brain . But where exactly is the image arrive in your brain ? Can you pinpoint a perceiver inside your head or brain ? You can't just say well in the sight perception center in the brain .you'd have to tell me in which millimeter exactly .and of course you can't. There is no perceiver. So there is no you or others. There is just impersonal consciousness or being .stuff going in and out of you .(don't twist the meaning though lol).

No thats a misunderstanding of what I said . Nobody is going to enjoy being tortured to death .my point is being tortured to death and wars and diseases and deaths and all forms of evil is only evil relative to the human perspective. Sooner or later you gonna just realize that life never gets enough of fucking with you and throwing tomatoes at you ..so why not wise up and detach from your humanhood and by that suffering can't affect you ? Is this spiritual bypassing and escapism? NO. IT IS THE TRUTH THAT YOU ARE NOT A HUMAN AND THAT ALL THE SUFFERING OF HUMANITY DOESNT MEAN CRAP TO THE UNIVERSE OR GOD.

God told me solipsism is false ..and all solipsists go to hell when they die .

Oh yeah lol. For me what had me dying is the muddy substance he made the dumbbells with ..it had me craving some warm cheese pie. Dude gotta be ready for when a lion attacks his ass . Was just going to say it's staged .they skipped the part when he made fire to make the mud solid by grilling it .like you can't get blazing fire from just some wood. You need a fuel. Anyways..glad you liked it.

That could be very likely what's happening. In the end everyone and everything are one in the substance .all of reality is made of one substance. You could call it God or nothingness or love or being etc..I don't care . There is an underpinning unity of all of creation. Isn't that obvious? People who raise their consciousness as Leo said by taking psychedelics start to experience the boundaries between objects dissolving ..and the boundaries between themselves and the world dissolving..and more importantly the boundaries between themselves and "others " dissolving. Isn't It obvious that I'm you either in a past or future incarnation and that you are talking to yourself right now ? Why do you think Jesus taught to love your enemies? Isn't it because your enemy is you ?

I'm not awake nor even close but I relate strongly. Your primary proplem is lack of acceptance. You said" just because life is what it is and it sucks and I don't want this bullshit..I want full total liberation and to exit the dream completely." What that essentially means is death .not some bing bong ego death. But death in real. As long as you are in a human body that needs to eat..shit ..sleep..etc then this limited tiresome life is not gonna change .even billionaires go hungry ,you know ? All you can do is either accept your life completely ..or go die ..or take some psychs.

Hi man. Sorry you are feeling this way .I'm gonna give you a blunt answer. Because you need to hear it . Kinda tough love . Forget about suicide completely. You have no idea what you are getting yourself into. Death is not something you flirt with . I would say so what if you are even below average class and not living a wealthy luxurious lifestyle? The majority of people on this planet are not rich nor successful. They just work in a job that earns them enough to eat and pay the bills and that's it . Another point is you still can turn your life 180 degrees. But this requires work.if you start from a low level in a video game like GTA then you gotta build your life by working in a shitty tiresome job .then save money .then once you you've saved enough money you can start a business or invest in the stock market . I suggest you post this thread in the career's section .there are lots of people here who can guide you out of this funk financially. Much love 🙏.

Not that I've actually done it myself..but as Leo have said it requires insanely high levels of consciousness to grasp that the entire universe exists within your consciousness. I will give a simple exercise..Notice that (supposedly ) you see through your eyes .what do you see ? You see other humans with eyes. You then assume naively and innocently " well..these humans also see me with their eyes just as I see them ". But actually the only way to prove this is to look through their eyes and see the world through their eyes .which is impossible. Then imagine you become so close to them as if you are making out with them..try to look deep in their eyes.. you will see your own reflection inside their eyeballs .then let's imagine you actually succeeded in merging with them..then you will see through their eyes via YOUR OWN perception. So even that won't cut it. Meaning even if you actually were able to merge your consciousness with another human you will still only see through your own consciousness not an "other" consciousness. Another thing is by definition you are "imagining " others (there is honestly no better word than imagining). What you say is : that human over there is also conscious just like me. -But that's something you are imagining. Then you say : yes I'm imagining him/her but they still have perception just like me outside my imagination . -Yeah that's what you are imagining. "Yes I'm imagining them but of course outside my imagination they exist " -again Yeah that's what you imagine. You imagine them and then you imagine that you are not imagining them but that they are real. This is the story that you tell yourself ..isn't it ?

I don't understand the diagram. Your written explanation is not clear .please clarify with more detail. Thanks .

My updated view on solipsism is agnosticism. Where does the world go when you are in deep sleep ? A solipsist will say it disappeared. A realist/physicalist will say it remains as it is . My question to both is : how do you know ? Its hard to make a claim about anything existing or not existing in the absence of a conscious mind since the claim to be made requires a conscious mind to make . It seems to me like an absolutely unsolvable mystery. Anyways..life is very beautiful. Go outside guys .I just appreciate a beautiful sunny summer day in nature with sunlight..birds..trees ..the sea ..its literally a miracle. All this beauty..FOR FREE? Appreciate your life and don't worry about solipsism. Whatever is true is Whatever is true .

We are lucky to be alive in this era aren't we ? The age of technology and science. Only problem is there is still people who are ignorant af .this device you are holding right now can give you access to any book that has ever been written by any philosopher..scientist..enlightened teacher etc. You can learn about chemistry..physics..philosophy..comparati-ve religion..medicine..engineering..etc I can't stand nor understand ignorance. Why are some people ignorant by choice these days ? Some people might be excused like grandpa and grandma who are illiterate to begin with and well.. they kind of "missed the train " and its over . But some people who have a moderate level of education and they know how to use a smartphone to call their relatives via WhatsApp or watch some porn or cat videos on YouTube etc...why are these people have an epistemology of a BC citizen? Like what the fuck just Google some books and educate yourself. Watch some podcast or do something..anything..just don't be ignorant. 90% of people today just believe stuff . Believe in a religion and that's it .The main concern is what's the epistemological value of "'belief"?.. How can you trust something as true or valid knowledge about the world when all you have is just a belief in it because it's written in some book (scripture)??? Do you think billions of Christians and Muslims and Hindus etc are fools that they don't understand that this doesn't count as a strong evidence? Yet they seem to disregard that and emotionally lean towards being dogmatic about their beliefs that they know well it's not justified enough. Thoughts ?

Again and I'm hoping I'm NOT being a put-dowm here but your use of words is extremely "watery " that there is literally no meaning or discussion that can happen here. I get the sense that you string together a bunch of nerdy words and make a meaningless word salad which is completely detached from anything actually REAL.

Does the sun ever goes "well ..I'm gonna shine today because I'm not the mood"?

Why is survival antithetical to gaining knowledge?

Where did I assume I'm more intelligent than others ? And actually I'm not assuming. I know for sure that I'm more intelligent from stage blue and orange people.

@Puer Aeternus what about curiosity and lust for knowledge? The mose hard nosed religious fundamentalist also wants to know more than just his religion. We all have existinital questions..there is no escaping typing them in Google and see other's perspectives.

That might apply to the silver ages .as I said you can read any book that has ever been written about any field just by a click ..so what is the energy cost here?

I can use proper grammar and punctuation if I want to ..but I like making a style of my posts.

So here's what's going on ..there are no "People ". Yeah I know this sounds so much outdated. But it is the truth of no self . I also get pissed off sometimes that people Don't understand that they don't exist lol and as a result they take themselves and everyone else seriously and they fight each other's. In fact I just had a fight right now before typing this comment .but I realized nothing is as it appears. The person I'm angry from doesn't actually exist in reality .so who am I angry at ?

Noted . Thank you .

It is you who doesn't want to understand because what I'm saying is nothing but truth . You are not showing enough respect or even desire to understand you just want to win an argument. So screw this .

I do have anxiety issues. But the meds are helping . Yes .thanks . This is false .

@yetineti You missed the point once again like her . I called it" spiritual fluff "to communicate with you using your own paradigm since people like you only know how to get lost inside the situation instead of transcendening it .I am not saying if im in Gaza i wont cry like a dweeb..if these conditions are presented to me while I am embedded in this finite form I am very much likely to fall prey to it. I cannot exist within the society and not expect the society to royally fuck me up. Nonetheless..it is definitely possible to experience that indifference im talking about and its not a word game .the criteria being that you have to be completely detached from your humanness..and get into.. quite literally.. the God-mode. Do not respond back cuz I'm not going to .or have the last word idc. Also I'm not convinced that you or MsNobody or OP actually give a shit about kids dying in Gaza . Otherwise why are you still eating and sleeping and not just flipping the entire Internet upside down searching for donating sites to actually provide tangible help instead of moaning on a forum ? It's cool to talk about humanness and empathy and bla bla bla but talking doesn't change anything.

relax man. I'm an absolute donkey when it comes to politics and stuff .i don't like it. It has no oder or smell or taste .sorry to disappoint but all i have is this pseudo spiritual fluff. On a serious note ..why do you have to be an ass? Why not let what's being said to sink in and see if there's resonance? Or do you enjoy banging your head against the wall about war and people being ditched to the dust bin of the universe by dozens since Adam's two sons killing each others over who is gonna fuck his sister? Why play these games when you can transcend the entire situation? But what do I know .