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They are all different forms of desire . There is no difference between sex and pooping ..in both cases you are feeling an irresistible urge to satisfy a constant need . It's all forms of bondage essentially . As long as we appear to inhabit a body we are in full time job of satisfying constant needs .

Of course but careful here cause its a bit of a paradox . Remember the way we justify "evil" is by saying God doesn't see evil ..God embraces everything. But do you fathom what this means ? This means there is also serious suffering in this life. I'm not offing to hell realms in some alternate dimension..no..I'm speaking of THIS LIFE ..there is some degrees of suffering in this life you can't even begin to fathom. Go visit disabled people..go talk to very old people in their 90s (they can't even tolerate breathing anymore) ..not to mention people who suffer from depression or suicidal mood or some kind of mental disorders ..their lives is literal hell. So yes it's all a joke but God is a madman.. he jokes about strange things . Your message might soothe the suffering of some people but increase it for others .

I agree.

Yes if you're done with nonsense and want to rest on the bed of the absolute. But most people just want money .right ?

I don't know the exact details of what happens after the body dies. All I know that what I am is something which is real and eternal and invincible . The real I can't die. Imagine erasing all forms from existence..what remains ? Well you are tempted to simplicitly say "Nothing !"...exactly. how could nothing ever die lol ?

@No1Here2c amazing quality questions. I don't have the quality to articulate my answer in a deep convincing way to satisfy your philosophical thirst for truth( even though I do know the answers in one shot)..but please watch this video below and it will help you clarify these questions:

If there is no identity you hold ..who is the you that has to reject attaching identities to itself ? A you that has no identity ? So there's still a you no matter what ? gotcha

God .Everything. Nothing . Infinity. Being .Nondual existence. You're the body-mind but way more .they don't confine you. The idea that we(me and you ) are separated.

By God-Realized you mean knowing oneself as God or Absolute Reality. The thing is..to reach there you have to dissolve the boundary between you and other . Between seer and seen. Between subject and object .Between God and you . I have had soooo many moments of nondual consciousness from listening to spiritual speakers and meditation in which those dualities dissolve and there is no one left to recognise himself as Absolute Reality. GOD doesn't know God because God is One. God just is. Again this happens when you do hours of meditation and merge with your field of experience recognising it's all ONE.

@cetus @VeganAwake no self = infinite self. These are not contradictory. The thing you take yourself to be which is the ego self is nonexistent. What exists is infinite selfless existence. And that selfless existence is The Self. Its paradoxical but come on guys..get over it.

Yourself. The real you. You can't take your body with you..or your spouse..children..friends and loved ones . Your wealth and health can't save you. Your possessions..etc. What matters after a long tiresome day when you are going to sleep ? Nothing but a little bit of silence and peace so you can meet your real self with ease. (Jeez I became such a hippy lol).

Language itself is arbitrary ..relative and "circular". Example : Leo often says everyone is God's imagination or the Mind of God. If you push him on these terms he has to redefine the words into unity and say "God IS imagination ". And " God is it's own creation ". Instead of the world being separated from God and imagined by God. He actually claims both depending on the context . If you wanna speak loosely then the world is God's imagination..but if you get picky about every fucking word you are saying then God is itself it's own creation . That's just an example of how language itself can never convey Absolute Truth .Absolute Truth lies outside of language..words and concepts. Language is relative and also "circular ". What is a cat ? An animal ..whats an animal ? A living organism of some sort .what is a living organism? An object. What's an object? A thing. And here you stop .Language can't answer what is a thing without going in circles. Because thingness / beingness is prior to Language and is more fundamental than Language. Language is grounded in Absolute Truth and not the other way around. This is the reason why discussion or debating and exchange of concepts will never reveal the Absolute Truth but always relative opinions.

Sure .I already mentioned that . Do this experiment or challenge: ..from waking up in the morning until you go to bed at night ..spend the whole day doing nothing but basic biological needs like eating and drinking etc..don't distract yourself with anything at all..don't run your mindless daily routine of seeking pleasure ..just sit and be at peace . Watch what will happen. 😊

@Monster Energy I agree but the issue is this requires deep consciousness and wisdom to grasp..and don't assume that most people are aware of this . People define heaven or perfection as having everything their ego wants ..whereas highly Conscious people define it as what is .

You say you've got all your practical life handled and you don't have ambition..then I see no problem from the absolute perspective you can just sit and exist . It might be a trap if someone is justifying his laziness and lack of taking action by adopting the attitude of just sitting and doing nothing .I do want to do that sometimes but obviously NOT all the time because we are programed to seek and do stuff ..but we know that at the end there is nothing but being .

It's a paradox not a mistake or contradiction . They call it the Gateless Gate or the Groundless Ground . No substance or ground to reality is the same thing as saying the substance is Nothingness or Infinity . The word "consciousness " does seem problematic if you mean consciousness in the conventional sense like being awake or alert and perceiving things like right now vs being unconcious like when you are in deep sleep. What spiritual people call "consciousness " is not perception..its another word for Nothingness or Infinity.

To make sense of such questions we need to boil the question down to what are we really asking here ? Your room in a dream is certainly just an appearance rendered directly by your mind and has no reality from the outside ..granted that we agree on the nature of dreams ..nighttime dreams . Similarly a room in a video game like Minecraft is being rendered on the fly . What you are really asking is what's the nature of this experience right now right here ? Start there .investigate your direct experience and test it .

@Hojo no worries sorry if I was rude .Its just not clicking for me what you're saying .

No idea what you're talking about . Cut the edginess and smartassery please . Lessen the paradoxes and avoid ambiguity. I'm not interested in mad talk .

To give a concerte example which might make the conversation easier : Water boils at 100 Celsius. We call that something which we know objectively. Is this independent of you holding this idea in your mind ? Is objectivity happening within subjectivity or the other way around? I hope the question is clear 😅

@Hojo what ?

No . I woke up this morning for something completely out of my control. If you sleep and never wake up..what is that called ? Death . The only reason existence exists as forms is because of the existence of the formless .deep sleep is formlessness and this experience right now is form. If I ask why is there something rather than nothing ?..its because there is nothing that there can be something. Try this experiment..sleep-deprive for a whole week ..zero sleep ..this is the result: you will realize that this moment right now is NOT existence or something Ness or consciousness. Why ? Because without sleeping and erasing all experience you can't have its opposite. Without nothingness there cannot be something Ness.

Forget about thoughts for now ..whats so special about a thought which makes it more tricky to define than a cheeseburger? It's a matter of the metaphysics of definition and what is isness itself regardless of its content ? A thing is a thing is a thing is a thing . Define a thought as electricity in the brain ..OK so what's a brain ? An object .. OK so what's an object ? A thing .. What's a thing ? Reality is made out of itself.

@LastThursday if you might engage me for a sec ... We are born ( assumption but let me start somewhere)as blank slate..(ditch genetics and biology for now )..we are born knowing literally nothing at all . We accumulate knowledge via our senses ..and via external sources..even your reasoning right now is NOT 100% coming from "YOU" ..simply because YOU are just awareness..all ideas about logic..mathematics..scientific facts ..logical deductions ..etc ..is coming to you from your environment. Then how is it possible to know anything with 100% originality ? It seems like direct sensory experience is the only way. But if we agree on that ..then the question arises : okay so what exactly is THIS? Where did it come from and where is it going ? Maybe these themselves are assumptions which are NOT found in direct experience. But then that means THIS is just here and full stop . I have no proplem with this (until past midnight 😂). Any thoughts (which are not derived from brainwashing and input being fed to you from external sources)?

A "you " experiencing an "X" is already separation right off the ground.