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@Leo Gura okay I think most of what I have experienced are lighter forms of awakening then. Pretty much everything I have become conscious of has felt like awakening from a dream in one way or another, and a lot of what I have experienced you talked about in your 'many facets of awakening' and 'what awakening feels like' videos. I've also experienced a lot of mindfuck and feeling like ordinary reality as I know it is just gone. I think what made me unsure was just that they weren't overly strong, because I expected awakening to be something completely mind shattering and super intense like what people describe on psychedelics but I guess those are just stronger forms. I wasn't sure if the lighter forms I have experienced were even considered awakenings at all or just mystical experiences. By the way, I wanted to thank you for everything you've done - I'm 21 and I've been watching your videos for a few years now, and they have completely transformed me and the direction I want to take my life. I've become extremely passionate about inner work/spirituality, I've been meditating an hour a day for 2 years now, I took your course and found my life purpose, and overall I have gained so much amazing wisdom from your material which has allowed me to really have my priorities straight and be on track to creating an amazing life, which I probably would have spent chasing money before. Because i'm still young I still have a career to build and other things to do so I can't go all out on spirituality yet, but I definitely plan to in the future. I know one day I will reach that full God realization and experience infinite Love, which I know is the highest love that you want for your followers. I can't wait to see what i'll be able to do with my life and also the kind of impact i'll be able to have on the world myself, all because of you and your videos, so from the bottom of my heart, thank you!

This goes into solipsism which I still have a hard time fully understanding... if my direct experience is all I have and the only reality i've ever experienced, then everyone else is just a creation of my own mind, meaning they were created when I was and so we were all born at the same time

@Leo Gura Is it easy for you to distinguish what experience is an awakening and what is just a mystical experience? I have become directly conscious of a few of the things you talk about in your videos, such as realizing reality is a dream, and I've never experienced any visual content or angels or anything like that, but i'm still not sure if that would be considered an awakening or not, because people said above that awakening is specifically a realization into the nature of what you are.

@Gili Trawangan okay, thanks

@Gili Trawangan I've heard Leo talking about having multiple awakenings or being due for another awakening on a meditation retreat or something like that, and I always assumed that awakening meant any kind of mystical experience, just becoming directly conscious of something, but you're saying that an awakening is specifically a realization about the nature of what you are, is that correct?

I feel like this is an appropriate thread to ask this, can someone please explain what the difference between an awakening and a mystical experience is? I have had direct experiences of multiple things like reality being a dream and solipsism and other things. I just consider them mystical experiences because they don't feel overly deep but I’m not sure at what point I could consider something an awakening.

However long it takes, we're headed in that direction and will probably get there eventually

Relatable lmao

Couldn't this be considered yellow too? He has a very deep and all-encompassing sort of perspective, seeing beneath the surface, focusing on addressing the root issue of trauma that leads to the addiction rather than getting too caught up with the addiction itself at the surface. To me this seems pretty yellow. I get that it is about psychotherapy and talking about the need for compassion and everything which makes it resonate with green, but I’m wondering if there is anything preventing this from being yellow?

@somegirl I guess it just comes from continuous spiritual practice and putting in the work to raise your consciousness. For myself I'm not at a point in my life where I'm ready to go all out on spirituality, I am still young and have a career to build. The only spiritual work I have done is meditating an hour a day for the past two years, and I have watched probably hundreds of hours of Leo's videos and done a good amount of contemplating in my spare time just because I really love it. I find at this point I get these sorts of realizations fairly often just through contemplating things. I think this particular realization I had after watching some edit of Leo's videos that someone posted in the forum. I was contemplating about love after I watched it and all the sudden what I wrote above really clicked for me and I really got it, whereas before when I would hear Leo talk about it, it was just an idea and I didn't have any direct experience of it. Here's the video by the way:

@Yali I'm guessing its much easier to pull a girl if you have a quick and easy place to take her, like your van conversion, rather than taking her all the way back to your house or to a hotel or something

You should have been like "so do you always go for guys who look homeless?"

@Consilience I'm not sure if this is exactly what you're talking about, but after reading what you said I tried applying mindfulness to my sleepiness whenever I feel it coming on during meditation, and it has helped a lot. I tend to fall asleep whenever meditating while being tired, and my strategy before to deal with that was to meditate with my eyes open, but sometimes even that wouldn't work. I've tried what you said a few times now and I find that just putting awareness on the part of my mind that is starting to fall asleep and go unconscious is enough to wake it up. Thanks for your advice

@KatiesKarma psychedelics could be a good way to help you process old trauma and work through emotions you have trouble working through on the surface. Specifically a mushroom/MDMA combo would be good as the molly makes the emotions lighter and easier to handle. If you already have experience with psychedelics then this could be a viable route for you. Make sure to do your research first though on the psychedelics, such as the dosages. When you are using them for inner work like this you want to be careful and not do too much. Also you of course need to have a good setting, somewhere peaceful where you won't be bothered. Check out the book 'Psychedelic Psychotherapy' by R. Coleman. It's a really great and practical guide for how to do this work.

I remember hearing Leo talk about there being more effective spiritual-based solutions to things like psychosis and schizophrenia than what is offered from modern therapy, since the roots of those issues can only be explained from a more spiritual perspective, and they need to be resolved in that way. Does anyone know of any books or resources talking about psychosis and other similar issues in this way? Its not something I deal with, I’m just interested in learning the psychology behind these issues explained from a spiritual perspective and not a western therapy one. thanks

Hatred is a cover emotion for hurt, similar to anger. It's when you have been hurt in some way by something, and then you retaliate back through the emotions of hatred or anger, since those emotions are much less painful than being helplessly hurt and victimized. There is much more you can be hurt by than just an unfair distribution of resources, which is what creates jealousy, so I'd say you can absolutely experience deep hatred without any jealousy. Also, there are still some emotions which almost always lead into another emotion regardless of the person or situation, so in that sense there is some predictability, but it's not enough to create an entire chain going from one emotion to another that works the same for every person. Like I said there is so much complexity and influence of various factors within emotions that I don't think such a linear model is possible.

I agree with @BipolarGrowth, this model seems very individualized, like it would be describing the emotional progression of one person and their own unique state. Emotions are much less like a linear ladder and much more like a giant complex web. There are so many factors that go into your emotional state, and so many factors that influence how your emotions progress and move into the next state, and these factors are unique to each person. For example, not everyone will become insecure about feeling fearful, and not everyone will become jealous of others after becoming insecure.

Interesting. Personally I don't have much experience with that stuff and trauma, so I'm not the best to comment on that. I focus all my trips on metaphysics. I know a lot of people have deep trauma, so that's good to clean up. Thanks for sharing the book, looks useful. @Leo Gura That reminds me, personally I have dealt with a lot of childhood trauma and so i've dove really deep into the area of mental health and trauma healing. I've found some really amazing and profound information on emotions that gives a whole new perspective from what most people (including mental health professionals) have of emotions. I've only found a few sources as there is very little information on this stuff, but what i've learned about how emotions really work and the depth and intelligence contained within them is amazing. I've watched a lot of your videos on emotional mastery and other stuff like that and this stuff I'm talking about is different from what you teach so i'm willing to bet you haven't heard of it. The main idea is that by learning about the deep intelligence and complexity contained within emotions, and getting in touch with feeling rather than thinking, you realize that rather than trying to take control of your emotions in any way, if you just listen to the messages they are sending you and work with them how they want you to, your emotions are fully capable of healing themselves and creating an optimal emotional environment. I guess because you haven't had to learn much about emotions and trauma healing and things like that you may not of encountered this stuff but I think this stuff is crucial for you to know about, as this stuff plays such a big role on your level of wholeness and integration and how much your internal/emotional needs are met vs what traumas or emotional blockages are still contained within you, which of course plays a huge role on your ability to love, which I know you care about. Also I was thinking that since developing a deep and holistic understanding of reality is so important to you, I think it would very much be worth your time to check this stuff out, because of how big of a role emotions play in our lives and how much they influence other areas. Check out the book 'The Language of Emotions' by Karla McLaren. 'Alchemy of the Heart' by Michael Brown is good too. Like I said there's not much info on this perspective of emotions, so i've spent a lot of time contemplating this stuff and trying to get a deeper understanding on my own, and I've started a youtube channel to share my insights and understandings. I think if this information became popularized and got out to lots of people it could help so many, and i've discovered (through your life purpose course) that it's my life purpose to discover more about this stuff and share it with the world, so thanks for that! Hopefully this is helpful to you.

A desire for Love is always at the root of it. An escape from trapped emotional pain/fragmentation/lack of love. Not sure if there was any specific emotional experience you were going for other than just escaping internal pain Also, hey Emerald. I know you from YouTube, never knew you were on here I don't think that's very helpful. If the solution was that simple I doubt he would have done It in the first place. Also he is aware that its a problem so the fact that he still did it means there is a part of him that craves and needs that which like I said probably points back to some sort of lack of love/fragmentation in some area. This should be treated with love and understanding rather than him making himself feel bad about it

I'm looking for more books specifically on these areas of psychology: - Shadow work - Basically anything to do with self-love, but deep stuff. not surface level. I'm really curious about why true self-love is such a central part of people's lives and why people will do anything to get it if they are lacking it, whether they realize it or not (what Leo talked about in his outrageous experiments in consciousness video). I'm also interested in learning about different healing techniques for developing deep, true self-love. I'm currently learning about childhood trauma therapy where you go back into the memory and re-experience the emotions (I don't know what the official name is for that, I think its regression therapy?) and I'm starting to get into shadow work. I'm curious what other methods of healing work for deep emotional issues. I'm also open to books on using psychedelics for healing. - Any other books that will help me get a deep understanding of the mind and how emotions work. Jungian stuff is good as well as any New Age stuff that connects psychology and spirituality. If you guys have any insights on this stuff you could share with me here i'd appreciate that too. Also, what tactics do you guys use for finding new books? I go to book stores, browse through Amazon and search online but its still hard to find what i'm looking for. I have no idea how Leo found the kind of spirituality books he has on his book list. Thanks!

@fridjonk I do do a lot of contemplating, and I've gotten a lot of insights and connected a lot of dots from doing so. I'm just looking to learn about new areas on psychology and healing that I know almost nothing about. Contemplating those kinds of things to figure them out would pretty much be trying to reinvent the wheel so I want to do some reading first.

@Bjorgan that’s really cool how mature and vulnerable you’re being saying this. I respect that