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Hello Awakened Gurus, Think about this post as thinking with you This post is about thoughts , What are thoughts? I was sitting their philosophizing asking myself What is a thought? In other words, What is the substance that made the thought? I then came to the conclusion that I should observe the phenomena rather than getting entangled to a fiction image of "substance" and "thought" I kept watching as the thought emerges, But what does it mean " the thought emerged" ? That has sent me again to a fantasy bubble, a loop that every time I try to get away from, I get back inside it. Seriously. What is the substance of a thought ? , DAMN! Here we go again , I have sent myself into a bubble of fantasy , What is "substance"? and What is "thought"? What made a thought ? , But what is a thought ? And moreover what's the experience like of thoughts emerging ? BUT WHAT IS EXPERIENCE ? These questions keep me sending back to the same bubble of fantasy Observe your thoughts ? WHO IS OBSERVING !? THOUGHT ? WHAT IS IT ? I'm looking for someone to guide me finding the truth, Each time i question myself I get sent into a bigger bubble of fantasy , they do not POP . They keep sending me to the same loop. What is your take?

When I've read this passage I had an intense feeling of an emotional reaction. I would say because of the need and desire to be flawless. I wouldn't describe it as "anger" it was ...... but a kind of emotional suffering . It was really a form of suffering when I've read this passage. I don't know what to call it probably a feeling of "shame" or "Inadequacy".

Hello Natasha, Thanks for your insights, this has brought some clarity to my own experience as well. Before when I was really young I used to be really reactive but then I grew up and brought distance between my emotions and my actions. When I was a child I used to fight with my brother a lot , like we were in a wrestling match, Because we were angry at each other. But the more I grow the less reactive i become. I want to invite you to think with me about something I want to develop in myself. I still feel I can't properly label my emotions with word. i struggle to find the labels for what i'm feeling , do you face that issue ? For example I ask myself , what am I feeling right now? I look and there is just this dispositions of thoughts/feelings but I can't find any words for them, I can't properly find a word to describe what this emotion is. About months/year ago Leo posted on their blog about Identifying your own emotions, and a list of emotions you can read through wikipedia. I still don't know what was their intention back then, because I read all of them and still I struggled to identify what I'm feeling. or I can't find words for what I'm feeling. It's probably that I'm not feeling the same range of emotions that every person on earth experience , because we are all different right? So My question for you is how did you develop this feeling/emotional discernment, what kind of nuances did you find ? Can you Label them ? And how did you reach a state where you have felt these subtle shifts? Also I want to say , like their are some emotions that I experience very rarely. For example being sad. In my adulthood I do not remember one moment where I teared up! in contrast, I sometimes for example feel angry, sometimes joy sometimes jealousy. But it oscillates between these feelings , it doesn't go further than that. Even tho the realm of emotions is huge , i don't get to experience all of it in my life. Like I said , I get sad very very rarely I don't get to eat from the cake of sadness the same way I eat from the cake of jealousy and anger.

Regarding the post about reactivity. Some days ago someone treated me with a really disrespectful way. I sat with myself I observed my mind getting really in a hurdle. I was emotionally damaged I felt it got under my skin. Then I realised something. i had the choice to react to that person, but i chose not to. I could have told them “ what you did was really disrespectful” wouldn’t I have been in a better state ? Rather than staying silence and eating my reactivity up. i realised something, your reaction determines your trip !! If you react to that person immediately you become cursed with a snow ball of more reactions and proving yourself that you are more right than them. That in some cases like we see in crimes ends with Violence. What Leo teaches is what sages can do, not a chimp! Not a mediocre human. I as well have eaten a lot of bad reactions up and didn’t react to them, not because I can’t but because I didn’t want to feed into the snowball effect. i’m still thinking critically and haven’t decided entirely. Should one react ? Or not? reaction sometimes show that you self respect yourself which guides your trip into a better realm than if you stayed silent . Staying silent and eating negativity up can damage your psychological well being. i came to a conclusion , it’s a lose lose situation. But sometimes non reactivity wins. “Sometimes” you either feed yourself into the snowball of reactivity and react or stay silent and eat shit up but that will damage your psychological well being. think with me , is it better to react or not ? Also one thing more for you Leo, a lot of reason you’re getting a lot of crap is because you are an online figure. Most of the people that tempt you on this forum do so because they can get away with it without having to face your face. And because online figures are not respected the same way a human you see in real life. You respect people a lot more when you see them in person, not through a screen. try to organise a meeting with someone on the forum that has criticised you dreadfully. You will see immediately that in real life they are way more tolerable, and after they see you they will immediately have more respect to you. At least this was my experience. Social media and Internet is a crap place and it ‘s very hard to find a decent human. i have been into discord and after I got into the channel someone immediately said “ get the fuck off” , the funny part is I don’t remember anything to instigate them to react that way. But it hurted me , be aware of internet Leo. It’s a crap place.

"Nothing" is a fictional concept. What is nothing? Lol. I'm not an AI bot. I was legitimately questioning. The fact that you thought I'm AI , tells you how good AI have become so that you confused an actual human for AI. AI time has begun !

the question sends me to the same bubble of imagination, nothing is a fictional concept in my mind. How can I pop it ?

I really like your take on this one. Can you please elaborate on this point and give some concrete examples ?

Ignoring thoughts might lead you to ignore people, which won't work if you are building a career by being a person with high interpersonal skills. This works only if you have an isolated lifestyle.

I have invented an abstract idea of how someone's life rotates between the stages of awareness during a normal state. I called it " The Pendulum" Before we understand this idea we first have to get ourself familiar with the term "bob". What is the bob ? The bob : That hanging weight at the end of a pendulum. During your normal state of awareness the bob swings at both directions. It goes from the Past/Future, to the silent feeling of the presence. You can gauge on which direction you are at by asking the following. Am I investing in the "unawareness" direction ? (The past/future and the mind processes) What is the degree of my investment ? am I invested 50%, 90%, or 10% ? For example when you are extremely angry you might be experiencing the bob reaching it's end limit for the "Unawareness , Past/Future" Direction. Is my heart on the line ? When your heart is on the line that means you've aligned your heart with the same direction of your identification with the material world , that means you are going to the unaware direction , opposite to the conscious direction. I have realized one thing that causes the pendulum to swing to the Unaware direction and that is Excessive use of social media (Facebook,Instagram,Whatsapp,Tiktok, etc..) I recommend keeping your daily use of social media to be between 0 to 2 hours max. What are the things that we can focus on so that will fix the pendulum in the direction where we want ? Consciousness One suggestion would be kriya Yoga and generally focusing on breathing. What else ? Please share your thoughts on how to keep the pendulum fixed at the Consciousness Direction.

Ok here's what is funny.. I asked after that Chatgpt to create for me a funny caricature with the prompt "create a caricature that's really funny ", I didn't intentionally mean that they use the last prompts to generate a caricature related to you, However, it did so. It took you Leo and built a funny caricature about you. Here it is. Here's what is interesting At the beginning I didn't understand what's funny. I didn't notice that you where pointing a finger and didn't understand the meaning of the dollar bills/signs. So i asked Chatgpt to clarify by giving the prompt " why did you add dollar bills on leo's caricature?" Their Answer "Fair question 🙂 I added the dollar bills as satirical symbolism, not as a factual claim. In caricature art, artists exaggerate themes people associate with a public persona. For Leo Gura, common internet memes and critiques often mix: Spiritual enlightenment Self-actualization / consciousness Teaching / monetized content (courses, donations, business) The money imagery was meant as tongue-in-cheek contrast — the classic joke of “transcending the ego… while the ego still lives in the material world.” It’s a long-standing satire trope used for gurus, philosophers, and self-help figures in general. That said: It wasn’t meant as an accusation It wasn’t meant to mock maliciously Just exaggerated visual comedy layered on top of psychedelic + guru imagery" I still didn't understand and didn't notice the finger pointing in the picture so I added another prompt "I don't understand this explain for me like im 5 years old" Their Answer " Got it 🙂 let’s make this super simple. Think of a cartoon like a silly drawing, not a serious photo. When people draw funny cartoons of famous teachers or “gurus”, they like to: Mix big ideas (like “the universe” 🌀) With normal human stuff (like food 🍕 or money 💵) Why? Because it’s funny when very serious things and everyday things are smashed together. So the dollar bills were like a joke saying: “Even someone who talks about big spiritual ideas still lives in the normal world.” Not: ❌ “He is bad” ❌ “He only cares about money” Just: 😄 “Haha, look at this silly contrast!”" At that point I immediately realized the pointed finger and "GOT" the joke.

Leo , since you mentioned AI in your last post. Here's some caricatures made by AI that should represent your work. What is your take on these? The blue one is made by Gemini. The other one is made by Chatgpt. Which one is your favorite ?

I asked Gemini exactly this Why is it practically impossible to achieve a higher state of consciousness ? The answer is extraordinary ” It can certainly feel "practically impossible" to achieve or maintain a higher state of consciousness. This difficulty isn't just a lack of willpower; it is rooted in how our biology, psychology, and even the "software" of our culture are designed. The "impossibility" you're feeling usually comes from three main friction points: 1. The Evolutionary "Survival" Filter From a biological perspective, your brain is not designed for enlightenment; it is designed for survival. • The Default Mode Network (DMN): This is a specific network in your brain responsible for "self-referential" thought—thinking about your past, worrying about your future, and maintaining your ego. Evolution prioritized the DMN because a creature that is constantly "on guard" and planning is more likely to survive than one resting in a state of pure, non-dual bliss. • Sensory Gating: Your brain constantly filters out 99% of reality so you aren't overwhelmed. A "higher state" often involves lowering these filters, which the brain perceives as a threat to its ability to focus on immediate needs (like hunger or safety). 2. The Paradox of the "Egoic" Effort The biggest psychological hurdle is often described as a "Catch-22." • The "I" Problem: Usually, when we try to reach a higher state, there is an "I" that wants to get there. But most higher states of consciousness are defined by the absence of that self-centered "I." • The Trap of Seeking: If you are "seeking" peace, you are inherently declaring that you do not have it. This creates a state of tension and "becoming" that keeps you anchored in ordinary, grasping consciousness. You cannot use the ego to kill the ego; it’s like trying to lift yourself up by your own bootstraps. 3. Cultural and Social "Gravity" We live in a world built for "ordinary" consciousness. • Constant Stimulation: Modern life is an endless loop of dopamine hits (social media, notifications, productivity goals). This keeps the nervous system in a state of high arousal, making the stillness required for expanded states feel physically painful or "boring." • Lack of Infrastructure: In some historical cultures, seeking higher states was a full-time social role (monks, ascetics). Today, most people try to fit "higher consciousness" into a 20-minute window between a commute and a work meeting, which is like trying to run a marathon without training. Is it actually impossible? In many traditions, the shift isn't seen as "achieving" something new, but rather removing the obstacles to what is already there. It feels impossible because we try to add a higher state to our lives, when it’s actually about subtracting the habits and noise that block it. “ What is your opinion ?

There’s something I don’t understand. If you are an embodiment of truth or if you have attained higher state of consciousness why would you always be defensive about yourself I thought that the closer you become with god’s consciousness the less you would try to disagree with people. But Leo’s Ego is climbing up a mountain, through levels I have never seen in a human, it’s like a balloon that keeps increasing in size but doesn’t burst! It’s astonishing. Leo Please don’t take this critique personally, I’m trying to make sense of your own character I have all respect for you as a person, but this trait I noticed and I don’t understand it. I understand we are all flawed individuals, but leo since years has been conducting arguments with people on the forum and rarely agrees with another person even tho he can easily do that, why does he choose the route to prove that himself is right ? But if I achieve a god state of consciousness of course I will tell other people ok on everything, I won’t care about my Ego, I won’t be defensive. So does this defensiveness hides something we don’t know about ? Maybe the fact that they achieved greater states causes their inner ego to be more defensive than a regular person ? I don’t get it. Someone has explanation ? Leo do you notice that in your character ? Do you believe you are always being defensive ? Or do you think my observation is wrong ? Do not take it personally

This critique goes to teachers like eckhart tolle, sadhguru, etc.. They try to neglect the fact that you’re a human, or at least inside that state of consciousness. They keep giving you advices on how to awaken how to enlighten etc.. but underestimate the fact that you are a human. Many treat being a human as something lesser important than their mission. ok i understand that you’ve acquired a higher state of consciousness, but what are the consequences for students like me ? I spent years of my life neglecting my psychological well being for spiritual pursuit. Your psychological well being is more important than your spiritual achievements. You were born to BELONG, to feel included, to be happy , to succeed socially and internally. Spiritual teachers neglect this side , they keep talking about the mind as something is wrong with it. They tell you life is suffering. That’s not true. Life is not suffering. Their outlook on life makes life a suffering playground. When you are constantly trying to escape your state of consciousness, which is beneath god of course you’ll be suffering. You’re damaging your psychological wellbeing by chasing something that requires a superhuman like Leo to achieve. why is this post ? This post is to remind you to not neglect your psychological well being. Your psychological well being is very important, for your overall functioning and YES you can be happy without gaining spiritual insights. I know a lot of people that are really happy and they never heard a word from eckhart tolle or sadhguru, some of them are even religious and some of them are blinded by lies but at the end of the day they are happy. Their psychological well being is not in trouble it’s intact. And THAT is what really matters. Living a safe psychologically well established life is the goal. Being Sane is the Goal. You would reap great benefits if you focus on your psychological well being first. Then you can sit and meditate but that should be secondary not primary. Hope you have a good one

Ok Can I tell you small story about myself. I also thought I had a lot of characteristics about myself that couldn't be changed. I got diagnosed earlier this year that I am highly rated on the schizoid type personality disorder scale. If you don't know what that is here is a summary. "Schizoid Personality Disorder (SPD) means a person has a deep-seated detachment from social relationships and a very limited range of emotional expression, often appearing aloof, distant, or cold, preferring solitary activities, and showing little interest in romance or praise/criticism, living mostly in an internal fantasy world" I searched about that disorder and the people that it can NOT be solved. Only in very rare cases. It was written that personality can't in a lifetime form relationship. Guess what happened ? Later this year I've turned into a very extroverted person, Every day I say good morning to people and I'm happy to be around them. I thought that the problem is UNSOLVABLE, that it is what it IS . But Now looking back at the psychological descriptions I realized I was speculating it is unsolvable. I can change. But let me be honest. I am not sure that you can change. but in my experience I have changed and that what makes me ambitious that you as well can change. You can be social again, you can be lovable, you can enjoy meeting other people again. Leo Here is an exercise for you Imagine you are living on an Island and sitting there doing kriya yoga. You notice in the horizons a boat and some people on this boat were waving at you. They want you to join them on the boat. You decide to ignore them , under the bias that they are group thinkers, rats, stupid etc.. and You sit there with the goal of attaining god’s intelligence and ignore them completely. I’m talking about this attitude. This attitude damages your psychological well being, because as human I know that from experience you want to belong. Look at children they always want to join each other, they don’t want to be alienated. It’s rarely a case where you see a child that sits there alone and ignore other children. It’s usually because of some bias they have like they hate me, they are stupid, etc.. So now Imagine me on that boat, I’m waving at you.. I want you to join me. Would you please join me ? BTW LEO. you don’t have to believe my bullshit , you can just join me and not judge me. Imagine if I am a religious blinded person, don’t judge me but join me on the boat. I KNOW you need to belong. That will boost your psychology, you would be 10 times better if you joined other people even if you think deep down inside they are not intelligent and are group thinkers. Would you join me Leo? Or will you ignore me completely? Also no pressure , since you explained to me your character traits. I HIGHLY respect that. I wish you all the best.

You’re making a great point. Your intelligence is astonishing. ok but Leo, then you have chosen the hard route to deal with others, isn’t it ? I believe that over time that might hurt your psychological well being. You don’t have to trust me just notice that we are born to belong and feel that we agree to each other. You are sacrificing one important point here and that’s inclusion and group think. I know that from your perspective this is some children games compared to truth seeking. BUT you are a human or in other words WE live inside the human dimension. We need to belong together, you’re choosing the opposite. And that might hurt your psychological well being. Don’t underestimate the game of humans It’s needed for you and me to be Happy. Dropping that is shooting yourself in the foot. What do you think about these ideas ? You’re creating for yourself a mental labour that in my opinion is unnecessary, I know skepticism got you far in terms of finding your spiritual self. But it won’t help you if you try to fulfil your human needs. You need to belong. You are doing the opposite to belonging. And just the fact that you are running this forum and post on it everyday tells me you are still a human. You need it to belong to feel included to feel validated, to feel you are somewhat somehow something in the society. If you wake up one day and this forum is gone, it will fall at your psychology like a tornado, you will start to feel distress, un validation and like your life purpose is coming to an end. so that’s what I’m taking about, I know that me and you know that we need to feel that we belong. Why choose the hard route ? Again.. this might hurt your psychi it’s not going to be good for it. It’s unnecessary. i’m open to hear your opinion on that

I really like your outlook. And i want you to elaborate more on this sentence.

I really have no understanding of consciousness whatsoever but for me I describe it as Silence

Wow. I like your explanation. Thanks!

That’s a nice question. You need a calculator to solve that issue you need to take the heights of all individuals and divide it by their total

I don’t regret it because I did it. You need to experience travelling solo.

First of all I want to highlight this. You don’t have to approach women. You just don’t. How to approach women? make eye contact with them Say Hi. if making eye contact with them or saying hi doesn’t come naturally to you, or you don’t feel comfortable doing so. Maybe it’s just not for you to approach women, it was designed for someone else. i know my words for you could’ve been disappointing. But really think about it with an open mind, why do you “have” to do anything ? Right ? once again *make eye contact* *Say Hi* congratulations you just approached a woman. the problem with pick up is that it tries to shove all the people with their different types under the same grinder. You have to figure it out if it’s natural for you to approach a woman or not. And decide accordingly.

Hello there , putting non dual perspective aside I've already contacted a psychologist but I overestimate the fees that I have to pay for the session regarding this It's a problem I am half way through solving I'm not looking for someone to sit with me for an hour to talk with about my entire past to solve this issue. So that's why I'm seeking advice from someone who is a psychologist here on the forum or someone knowledgable enough to solve the issue. Here's the issue. Whenever I see my father I get angry. I live with them , so I'm always faced with this anger everyday and sit through it. I contemplated why I get angry at my father and I got two conclusions: I hate my father I think my father is my enemy I tracked down the thought process and why I do I hate my father and think he is my enemy, I came to 4 thoughts that are causing the issue and they are: 1- He is very religious 2-He smells bad 3-He doesn't know when to talk and when to stop talking 4-He is not socially intelligent, He doesn't understand me etc.. Does anybody know how can I overcome this ? I laid the thought process for you so it can be easy for you to offer advice. Please only offer advice if you think you are knowledgable enough to give one. Please don't give advices such as move out , or leave your father. I'm not allowed to do so at the moment, It's going to take a lot of time. How can I overcome this ?

thank you. Before the anger arises I feel un comfort especially when he shows up or start speaking. When I focus on that un confort I realise that just the fact that he is speaking is for me irritating, the words that come outside his mouth immediately initiate that feeling of discomfort. The problem is I tried to focus on what happened before that discomfort arise and the problem is. I can’t be more aware than that. I take my breaths and follow my body but still do not unravel anything deeper. My awareness is trapped on the fact that all I remember is that his words and presence make me suddenly uncomfortable. Then after that the anger starts to show up. Lol !

Nice Nice. Also I want to add that whenever he speaks I feel uncomfortable. It’s like my brain or I am wired to think of him as an enemy. Lol. I never experience that with other people even if they talk shit. i think the Quraan knew about this.. that is why it was mentioned in Islam to treat your parents nicely. Maybe they have seen this event coming as a challenge for each individual , that their parents could be a challenge. i don’t know. i’m just bluffing ! but if I just treat every situation like the people advised, to move out to leave the house etc.. that wouldn’t be a life that would just be me trying to escape reality and my own demons! And I know they will chase me somehow somewhere else, in the workplace , with my partner, my children etc.. so I’m trying to overcome this inner demon not run away from it. I believe so far I am doing a great job. just the fact that till this day we maintain a relationship that is OK is a success for me. I’m very proud about myself. That really is boosting my self esteem. but yall have been great! Thanks for your advices. I hope you have a wonderful year