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Haha, if you wanna fight with anecdotes, I reckon there are many more supporting my experience that just didn't bother to type it online because they don't feel the need to hang out in a forum and talk about how good masturbating is.

The conclusion is correct, but there is more to scientific knowledge than just social forces and the aformentioned. Scientific knowledge is the product of knowledge. Science != scientific knowledge. Scientific knowledge is based on science but it is not science, it is an abstraction of science. This is a paradox because you are claiming an absolute truth, which is that there is no absolute truth. So the statement is misguided and loops in on itself. The paradox is created because of a failure to realize that "true" and "false" do not exist in experience, they are just abstracted thought forms which only exist as knowledge. No, this statement doesn't capture the entirety of it. It can be more. It can be based on memory. It's definitely a mental construct though, in all cases. Maybe. Depends on what the criteria is. This statement cannot be validated objectively, because "validity" does not exist as experience. Valid meaning what? Where is it being applied? It won't be valid in the dream state. It might be valid in the waking state. Or it might even be useless in the waking state. Depends.

"Links" and "correlation" galore Anecdotally, none of this stuff is in my direct experience. No ED problems. No libido problems. No issue getting anything up. No relationship problems. And I do it pretty generously. So yeah.

Isn't it like a super common thing to get stuck in your head during sex? This makes sense, and it doesn't necessarily lead to the conclusion that porn caused it.

Look up what a "flatline" is in regards to no-fap. I literally did no-fap and it gave me temporary ED and fucked with my libido for a while. This is a common thing that happens but no one talks about, and it's just chalked up as "oh, your brain is rebooting, bro!!" TLDR, no-fap ironically literally gave me temporary ED and fucked with my libido. But anyways, correlation, never proven. Never had problems getting it up ever until I did no fap, lol. It's fixed now though, it was just temporary, thankfully. I've seen stories of people being in that state for years.

Yeah seriously, you don't have hormones and biological organs attached to your body for the sole purpose of alcohol or weed. This is literally like trying to suppress eating or sleeping.

I also needed the logical and intellectual articulations of Leo to unstick my mind from materialism. He has his own unique talents and flair which is great. You can't make contact with the logical mind with a non-logical mind. But this has to be transcended as well, just like you have to transcend any religious texts, bibles, and any teachers, as they ultimately have nothing to do with YOU, which is all there is, and all there is to learn about. And, of course, all communications are limited, always. No exception, no matter how articulate the person is, it will never work. Any sort of middleman or communication cannot be a replacement for you or reality or truth, ever. Definitely a great thinker though, probably one of the best. Thinking only gets you so far though. Good luck.

It's simply the case that most people are not physiologically afflicted by jerking off, but just negative thoughts and such things that are projected afterwards. There is arguably too much stigma and negativity around jerking off which is based in just bro-science and fearmongering, although valid reasons do exist, and some people do experience negative physical effects. This extra nuance which I am mentioning is constantly used by the former non-afflicted group to justify this idea that masturbation is the source of all their problems even though it probably isn't. No, it's more like, the majority of people are fine with masturbating, and then the minority which has problems spends time online arguing about it and building online communities, which creates an innacurate microcosm portraying it as if it is a widespread issue, and not just a niche thing.

Jerking off stole my car and killed my whole family

Do states appear where you don't exist, where filth is not perceived? Are such states possible? Is entering such a state a contradiction to "God" or what "God" showed you? Why would God allow such states? Do you have moments where you feel good? How can you feel good if filth exists? Is God contradicting itself in these moments? Maybe, the "thing" that wants to undo everything is separate from what needs to be undone? Where does this "thing" go when you are feeling good and peaceful? Do you think this "thing" truly exists in all states of consciousness? Where does the "ego which needs to be undone" go when the desire to "undo things" is abandoned or forgotten about?

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Nah you can't think the world

First I would ask: Why are you doing this and what do you think it will actually solve? When you go 10 days, 20 days, 30 days, 50 days, is anything improving? Does the improvement peak at a certain point? Second: You have a biological bias for being horny, so do not suppress this. But, it is possible to avoid porn for most of your life, if you want. Just replace it with something else you can masturbate to, like your imagination or something. It's entirely possible to masturbate without porn. I actually don't think no-fap is conducive for quitting porn, because it will make you extremely horny and more attracted to porn. So I don't understand the method behind the madness here to be honest. You're putting your horniness on a pedestal by cultivating it for so long. Above all else, just see how it affects you personally. Anything you hear from other people is just rumours without direct experience. This stuff can affect different people very differently. Really, objectively look and see: Is no-fap genuinely helping me quit porn addiction? Is it making it harder? How have I improved since starting? Just a personal caveat, please do not fall into the trap of edging yourself all the time because of the horniness that ensues. This can lead to prostate problems and the like. Just do it at that point.

They sell it at one of the popular supermarkets here and it comes with bamboo straw you just poke in (it comes with the top trimmed off slightly). I don't know if I was particularly thirsty that day but it was seriously a spiritual experience, one of the most refreshing things ever. Very sweet and coconutty. And actually not that expensive IME, about one dollar more than normal price.

I can confirm that one is good too, I've seen it in the international section and tried it a few times. If you just find one that isn't from concentrate and has nothing added it pretty much always tastes decent.

Last time I checked, it's just bro science extrapolated from some study about how long it takes to quit heroin or something. No such reboot occurs on the 90th day, or the 89th day, or the 91st day, but I have seen many people get obsessed over this specific number as if it has some significance.

I'm not very good at it. But it happened naturally when I was drunk at a bar/club once. Kinda got the hang of it thereafter. You literally just subtly move your body to the beat, it's kind of hard not to do it when everyone else is doing it as well, so doing it in a group setting like that could help. I don't see it as something super important tbh, but if you're into it and see some kind of potential in it, knock yourself out. You don't memorize any moves or anything really, you just improvise all of it. I remember it felt daunting previously cause I thought it was all memorized or something, or that I had to memorize something. People who get good at it and memorize moves are just people who first improvised, then thought, damn how can I one up everyone who dances normally? Let me just memorize some stuff on top. Anyways, thats my advice from some pretty limited experiences, but coming from someone who used to live in a similar sentiment. If I had to guess, the practicing didn't work because it was just too logical. Dancing is not logical to begin with. There has to be that initial intuitive "spark" first, and then you bring the logic into it and memorize moves or whatever. And that first spark has no logic to it, it's just moving slightly to the rhythm. Just imagine how you would move listening to your own personal favorite song, that's all it is.

I think a lot of the confusion in this thread, and most threads about nofap, come from a failure to recognize that masturbation can physiologically affect people differently. There are conditions like POIS, and probably milder versions of it which afflict people. I don't think it is normal to feel bad after masturbating, and I think most people don't. This only seems to be a popular sentiment online, because online communities create an echo chamber effect which normalizes it or amplifies it beyond what would be seen when looking at society at large. I am not counting any projected negative beliefs about masturbation as an affliction, although this is probably the more common case, where people will simply self-deprecate themselves because of some negative beliefs after orgasming, and then interpret this as "masturbation makes me feel bad!" I think the genuine physiological affliction is rarer and amplified online. But, the latter more common case of projection is not uncommon at all, and is seen online and in real life, commonly through religious indoctrination or whatever else. I had this exact contention with @Someone here before, and he ran a poll on the forum, and you might be surprised to find that the majority of people who voted felt completely fine after masturbating:

I don't think it's actually a gender thing, men can deepen it to a similar degree, although yes your biology is different and "has more parts" and perhaps a different dynamic to it. Although, admittedly, it might be less common for men to pursue that type of thing, which might be where your assumption comes from. But I have achieved "full-body" orgasms and nipple orgasms and all of that. I can orgasm without even touching myself down there if I wanted. And I can relate to this sentiment of being able to dictate everything in masturbation, it's a more personal flavor for sure. I also don't agree with this idea of zero reproductive value, I actually think all orgasms have zero reproductive value. It's just the instrument that's being used to access it which has reproductive value. The experience of orgasming itself isn't anything like that though. If you still want to argue reproduction, vaginas definitely have built in mechanisms to aid in reproduction just like any other reproductive organ. Otherwise, I'm interested to hear how you think that male orgasms have "reproduction" built into them, but I assure you it doesn't, it's just a phenomenon that occurs purely by itself, just like female orgasms.

Completely relate to this sentiment. This entire non-emotional dynamic led to some very weird friendships. You say a real friendship should be intimate, but it was never that way at all for me. I just viewed it in spectrums, some were deeper, and some weren't deep at all. I just kind of accepted that I'll always be at odds with them emotionally, and I just focused on what they actually brought, which would just be similar interests or hobbies like video games or whatever. I've definitely had this exact thought before, which is that female friends tend to have more "depth" right from the beginning because of the higher EQ. It's just a vital part of proper human interaction I guess.

This is basically what needs to be focused on, IMO. Most guy friends in my limited experience are basically emotionally stunted. There's nothing further than like "Let's play some video games, bro", which I don't dislike at all, that's always fun and has its place. But it never gets super deep with them, but to be completely fair, there are "deeper" friends to be found. It's just scarce. And the culture could promote it more, is all I am really saying. Toxic masculinity basically suppresses any of this type of empathy, and so you get the "no homo, bro!" phrase, lol. Really just anything you would say to a female as well. Our preference for compliments is the exact same as any other human, but we do perceive it differently depending on the gender, which is what your thread is about. As for "how to compliment without hitting on him": Just make it a genuine and natural observation. Not something that you have to go out of your way to say or put extra effort in, that will make the guy think "Oh, why is she putting energy into saying something so extra?" Just like, a genuine and seamless observation will work well, since it will just fit in perfectly with the interaction and won't seem extra. Not gonna lie, it's entirely possible, and it might be a common case, that the guy just misinterprets it as something else even though you've said the compliment perfectly, so not always your fault. This happens very easily, probably because just getting a compliment is normally such a rare thing, which is why I say that "guy friendships" need to be worked on rather than having women worry about this stuff (as you talk about in your third point). But, it is entirely possible to do, just make it a genuine expression and don't push it too far or make a big deal out of it. Even just having a normal enthusiastic conversation with them could be seen as a compliment or positive acknowledgment of their existence, and this might just be the simplest way to do it.

The quote itself is limited and biased in a very human way, and you are just intuitively sensing that. It's putting another experience on a pedestal and discounting the human experience, which is ironically a very human thing to do. It hasn't integrated the logic of the human experience with the psychedelic experience (since the insight is being accessed through memory), and it's just like "This is absolute Truth and if you don't experience it you're wrong."

The solution to a mental model? There is no solution, it's a mental model. All mental models fulfill the purpose of being a mental model. It never represents what is real so it never "solves" what is real. You know, if you're constantly editing and reimagining truth, maybe the way you're perceiving it is just wrong, straight up? How is it that you EVER misinterpreted truth? This is a serious issue.

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