Epikur

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    On 24.9.2023 at 1:00 AM, LastThursday said:

    DE·IMPERIO·ROMANO·NUMQUAM·COGITAVI

    Caesar, Commentarii de Bello Gallico, liber I, caput 1:

    **Gallia est omnis divisa in partes tres, quarum unam incolunt Belgae, aliam Aquitani, tertiam Celtae, qui ipsorum lingua Celtae, nostra Galli appellantur. Hi omnes lingua, institutis, legibus inter se differunt. Belgae longe sunt omnium Gallorum fortissimi atque humanissimi, quod saepe cum Germanis pugnando consueverunt, qui prope confines sunt, atque eos saepe vicerunt. Aquitani minus quam ceteri Gallorum frumentari solent, sed magis lacte et carne vivunt, multumque piscium edunt. **

    English translation:

    Caesar, Commentaries on the Gallic War, book I, chapter 1:

    **All Gaul is divided into three parts, one of which the Belgae inhabit, the other the Aquitani, and the third the Celts, who in their own language are called Celts, but in ours are called Gauls. All these differ from each other in language, customs, and laws. The Belgae are by far the bravest and most warlike of all the Gauls, because they are accustomed to fighting often with the Germans, who are their neighbors, and have often defeated them. The Aquitani are less accustomed to grain-growing than the other Gauls, but live more on milk and flesh, and eat a great deal of fish. **

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    On 19.9.2023 at 3:53 AM, julienw said:

    I know right? It's absurd. I never understood the vitriole against her. And yes, you'd think she would have a massive advantage over Trump in a hypothetical election because she's a rationale person and a seasoned politician, but unfortunately a decent percentage of the general populace either doesn't like her or otherwise likes Trump enough to vote for him. It's wack imo.

    You have to live on Mars to think like that. 

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    6 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

    @Epikur In order to not be a hypocrite about being scientifically accurate, let me clarify that while I implied earlier that the musicians having higher IQ disproves the claim you made in your title, that is not necessarily the case. While an average musician probably listens to more music than an average non-musician, the IQ difference could come from the act of creating music rather than listening to it. So the IQ difference could theoretically be consistent with the suggestion that people who listen to a lot of music lower their IQ. But in reality, I think that is unlikely.

    It is nice that you try to be honest.

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    50 minutes ago, Rigel said:

    Yes it is very hard. My point was that the line between playing and listening is razor thin and that’s what you realize after thousands of hours doing both with full awareness. All of that was in response to your comment about Beethoven being different cause he’s creating, not just listening. Well he’s not. The dude fabricated his work inside his mind in a way that is spooky-shly close to active listening. Thus placing your premise into question again(it’s false by the way).


    But even more important than that, who the heck gives a shit about your IQ? IQ is like the leftover bits of dried crumb in the bag when you are done with the loaf of intelligence. It doesn’t measure actual intelligence. 

    Well from my low IQ point of view Beethoven created music period.

    I think many people give a shit about IQ. That is why this thread is so active.

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    49 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

    Your title is misleading. The musicians in the study actually had higher IQs on average than the non-musicians (119.49 IQ ± 7.84 vs. 116.69 IQ ± 7.85). The study specifically looks at "sensation seeking" in relationship to music.

    This is how they define it:

    So, assuming that their questionnaire accurately reflects how they define sensation seeking above, it would be more accurate to say that extroverted people who like to go to loud concerts while probably getting drunk and meeting a lot of people is what has been shown to correlate with lower IQ. It's not "high music consumption" that correlates with lower IQ.

    Based on my personal experience, I do feel that if I've played guitar intensely for a while, sometimes I'll be unable to think clearly for 5-10 minutes afterwards. But the way I generally engage with music is still vastly different from what has been described above, as well as in the questionnaire itself. I wouldn't describe my relationship to music as "music has offered me magnificent experiences; I want to feel the music in my whole body; I want to listen to music that evokes feelings in me". I would describe it as connecting deeply with something beautiful or interesting. And according to the study, this would make sense, as I'm an extreme introvert.

    So yeah, next time, maybe actually read the study you're referencing and you'll maybe end up not looking like somebody with a low IQ :P 

    The title is perfect as it is form my low IQ point of view. Well as a low IQ guy I thought the study is about people who consume music not people who produce music but that is just me.
     

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    1 minute ago, Rigel said:

    No that’s not what I am saying. There is such a thing as listening with active and passive awareness. Why you would bring torture as an analogy to justify staying unconscious is beyond me.

    Yes active listening is very difficult like it is hard to stay happy while being tortured. Even my analogy is not perfect I wanted to emphasize that active listening is hard to do.

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    2 hours ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

    “If I were not a physicist, I would probably be a musician. I often think in music. I live my daydreams in music. I see my life in terms of music.”

    ― Albert Einstein

    We are not Einstein. I am shure he might compose great music. Many of us just cope with reality. So music becomes an addiction we can't stop.
     

     

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    41 minutes ago, Rigel said:

    Creating and listening are very close to each other. Assuming you are actually listening with full awareness. 
    Jazz cats only play what their ear is feeding them internally. They play back the stuff they hear inside their mind on their instrument. They are listening to their own music as they play.

    Don't assume I make it in full awareness. Very few people can do that. It is like getting drunk with full awareness.

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    26 minutes ago, Buck Edwards said:

    I guess Beethoven was low IQ then.

    They pull this research out of their ass. Seriously. 

     

    I don't agree. Creating music and listening to music are different things. I was kind of addicted to music. It was partly a coping strategy to deal with reality. I always knew my IQ went down but it felt good. It was a like a drug.
    Now I have less stress and have my life relative in order.Now I try to get rid of bad habbits. So I listen to music far less this makes me able to think deeper.

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    42 minutes ago, Cireeric said:

    Dude I dont want to be rude here, but why do you post a big list of all the models all the time in your posts? Even when you make some good points it is a pain in the ass to read through this everytime. You should question yourself if you do this to communicate clearly and effectively or is this just some signaling of the ego,  how well studied and integral you are in your considerations?

    It is going for a while. Why can't get someone into his head?