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No it's not random, And a meditation technique won't directly produce an awakening, basically all the techniques is just to help control the wandering mind, once the mind is controled then the practices should be droped (cause as long as you are doing something the mind is in operative state and in order to see the reality behind the mind which is awakening, all doings should be droped), a real meditation begins here when you totally drop all the techniques to realize you are meditation in your nature, you see the light of awareness which is you behind all the experiences, you become conscious of your self for the first time ever and awakening as deep as this causes the structure of the ego-mind to collapse, you see something you've never seen before, your absolute true self as "The Reality", "Awarness", "Consciousness", "The Self".

Why making so much assumtions about me when you don't know me at all?! 😃 Is the discussion about me???!!! If you wanna keep doing this, I'm really no longer interested to continue the discussion. If you have any personal questions about me, please just ask in another post and stop all these assumptions which almost all of them are wrong! I don't even meditate! And you keep talking about my mysticism, relegion, meditations etc 😃

Why not? 😎 Sadhguru looks even more badass than Neo with that snake crawling his arm!

True, But you are not "searching" as a relegious individual like spiritual one. The definitions needs to be more precise, a relegious person is not in a state of seeking or searching the same he defind spiritual the same way "search for sacred".

If you are searching, If you are a seeker, are you spiritual or relegious?

I see your point here, Obviously those group people who you mentioned also call themselves spiritual, but are they really?? Well, I'd say the answer is probably no. If I say to me spirituality is just this or that you come and say hey then what about these people? And you're right, I agree with you on this that a large chunk of today's so called spiritual people will be seen as relegious in future, but that doesn't mean spirituality = religion. Forget about the word "mysticism" or "direct experience", lets go to the core of what spirituality is, If you know that you don't know anything at all, like if we look at our hand we don't know what it is in nature, and it's actually true, we have ideas, thoughts about what it might be, but its all just concepts being poured into our minds by others, society, but we actually don't know what it is in it's nature. A true genuine seeker knows he doesn't know anything, and this is all he knows, this is not something he believes in, this is not a desire to go to heaven or nirvana, this is not worshiping etc. This is spirituality. You're spiritual when you know that you absolutely know nothing about anything including yourself and seek to know. If you say this is not scientific definition, then it isn't, if you say then what about a large portion of people who call themselves spiritual that cant be put in this definition, then maybe they're not spiritual, I don't know and that's not my business to categorize them. You said "search for sacred" If you are in a state of searching or seeking you are not a believer, a believer have faith that believing the system or religion he believes in will get him rewarded at the end (redemption, nirvana, etc). Someone who searches, means he doesn't know, and doesn't believe in anything (cause he is searching right? ) and want to know by searching, exploring everything.

@thenondualtankie Now go talk to hundred girls, same as you, plan to do so, still thinking about how to get started, haha

If you're talking about Kriya Yoga, if things get out of control or you needed a guidance along your journey, Sadhguru will not help you at all.

Let's make it simpler, Lets define spirituality as just "a direct experience of what the truth is", whatever it might be, No dogma's, no worshiping system, no God etc. very pure, very dry. How this can be seen in future as a system of faith or religion? In what sense? Btw about this definition of relegion, simply a religious person doesn't search or seek, they just believe the system, they do, either because of the fear or the rewards or both promised in the relegion or faith community, In what system you saw a religious person in a state of seeking or searching? This definition doesn't really apply to many relegions specialy the world relegions.

What you think relegion and spirituality is by definition? I've wrote what I think it is, so let me know what you think these are by definition, And we can continue to discuss from there. Forget about academical views on these, I personally don't care since they don't know what they're talking about.

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But in your video about it, you said that it gave you such a calm thought-free state of mind you've never experienced before, why you don't like it now? Doing the practices In such calm, concentrated state of mind can be very effective.

@Leo Gura If there wasn't dangers associated with Ketamine, you could utilize it in your practices, such that you take some doses to effectively calm down your mind and in that state the spiritual practices could becomes very effective.

lol, You don't even know that you've taken a psychedelic in that state, or if you'll ever come back to the ego state.

I don't know, I don't want to engage in any other form of yoga just to see the energy rises to even another levels and screw me up totally.

I'm dealing with it, still the same side effects except no intense headaches, I've attended a hatha yoga class a while ago and it's a bit better. The most annoying thing about the Kundalini is that it's always present in my experience, I haven't had a single day from the day it awakened that I didn't feel any energy. Forget about meditations, If you sit in quite and read a book, the calmness causes the Kundalini to rise up (it's always there but the intensity varies depending on your activities) it usually concentrates on head which makes it challenging to think once so much energy rises up and or makes you sleepy, feeling woozy, hallucinating, and painful in that area sometimes. Though, I've stoped the practices long ago, the energies only rises more and more as time did pass. I could tell him how I'm doing with my practices and how I feel and then he would give me the watered-down version of the techniques to suite me better for my specific situation, then everything would've been much more controllable and better for me, I didn't have to deal with any of these! 🙂

In short I was very sensitive to the practices I mean I quickly felt the energies and it all worked and excited me to dive deeply into it (it was mind-blowing and so exciting to find out it was all real), this quickly awakned my Kundalini, the energies then started to rise up to the head causing lots of headaches at those days, pain in the spine and some other side effects resulting of the energy functioning totally on its own still present. I stoped all practices long ago but once the Kundalini is awakened it can get only stronger and release more and more energies as time pass by. I believe experienced yogis or gurus gain some control over these energies, unlike Leo I don't think they're powerless when it comes to these stuff, so surely they can help.

Nothing for sure. But he is not the only one, I'm just saying just because it's hard to access one genuine one you shouldn't do it yourself and enter this territory which you have no clue what would happen to you if things get out of your control I did it myself on my own and I wish I didn't do it at all, but I was reckless with my practices... And there's no way to put the Kundalini back to sleep, at least out of our control.

I believe this where guru is important, Kriya Yoga can stimulate your Kundalini and awaken it easily resulting in release of immense energies that you cant control that could cause pain in the spine, dizziness and or hallucinations and some other side effect and in worst cases burn your nervous system, guru can help you manage all this. I was stupid with my practices (didn't take the warnings serious at all) and now I'm suffering some side effects of it for years.

Yes, the being, awareness, consciousness, life does exist in any states, only that whitch appears also disappears, And yes its absolute because it can never cease to exist, And being cannot be a quality because it's that which give rise to anything including all qualities. I'm always talking about one Reality which has many names, being, awareness, consciousness, life, God etc.

You don't know forms or creations in deep sleep but you exist, so it's another appearance withing the Reality, So no it's not absolute, only the pure being or existence or the screen as the OP has mentioned is absolute, free from all qualities.

@Carl-Richard we can go deeper, but I don't know what would be the outcome of this discussion, if you wanna continue discuss how spirituality compared to relegion, to eventually conclude that they are in one category let's just agree to disagree.

Just as the sun's light permeates and illuminates everything without being directly seen, Awareness or Consciousness or The Reality is exactly like it, the underlying essence that illuminates the experiences and perceptions without being directly observable itself. Just that You can actually directly observe it, by being it, cause you are it, you are those invisible rays that illuminates everything, the flow of the experiences, you are the sun itself. In the depths of the mind, where shadows dance, Lies a light unseen, a silent trance. consciousness, like an invisible sun, Illuminates the journey just begun. Its rays, they pierce through layers deep, Where dreams and thoughts in secret sleep. In every moment, it softly glows, Guiding us through life's ebbs and flows. Though unseen to the naked eye, It's presence felt as time drifts by. A beacon in the darkness, pure and bright, Guiding us through day and night. Like the sun that reigns above, Filling the world with warmth and love, Consciousness, a radiant force, Guides our path, our steady course. Though veiled in mystery, it remains, A silent witness to joys and pains. Invisible yet ever near, Shining brightly, without fear. So let us honor this guiding light, That leads us through the darkest night. For in its glow, we find our way, Through the cycles of night and day. Credit: poem generated by gpt.

That which exists and is conscious and is aware of himself as The Reality or Awareness, doesn't arise, existence doesn't arise, anything else does in it and is not real. Awareness does purely exists as just life, consciousness, knowing nothing but himself, we can imagine all kinds of qualities it might have or not have, but the truth is, it's free from all of it, pure awareness, existence is the Reality which is absolute in it's nature beyond anything the mind projects into it.

It's possible exactly because its called The Reality, the existence of it is not a quality of it but the nature of it. It's simple for me, the appearances has nothing to do with who I am as Reality, My existence is undeniable in any three states (waking, dreaming, deep dreamless sleep) So my presence is absolutely necessary for anything in my consciousness to appear and disapear, In order for you to be possible to question or think about the fact about your existence you first have to exist!!!