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I come from a deeply dysfunctional family, and I have internalized a lot of messages that were taught to me. Part of this is due to some of my family members being narcissists, psychopaths, sociopaths, or all three simultaneously. I ended up being taught a lot of lies in the process and they proved to be damaging. These were not just lies they explicitly told me, but also lies I internalized based on the environment that was created. 1. Sexual boundaries are obvious: As a child I was given a lot of mixed messages around sexual boundaries. Sometimes the girls would get undressed in the living room which annoyed. Sometimes my Grandpa would look at porn. Meanwhile I was exposed to environments at school where boys were looking up girl's skirts and crossing various sexual boundaries. The resulting environment created deep confusion in me around what sexual boundaries are acceptable because I wasn't given any consistent framework. 2. I am sexual predator: As a result of these confused boundaries I started having dreams that children should not have. This included dreams of my uncle molesting me and my sister. When I was six I repeated the behavior I was exposed to with my four year old sister. Once my mother discovered this, she held me to the standards of an adult. This became a severe form of psychological abuse with sexual themes that created many of the same psychological problems of religious trauma and CSA. I became deeply conflicted with any sexual feelings which I came to view as predatory. The chaotic internal state made me feel like I could not trust my impulses and I might become a predator. This event led to an entire belief system that was based on lies. 3. I can't be trusted with kids: When I was three my father fled the State to avoid paying child support. Without any other reference point, I believed that this was how the world works. Therefore, I became avoidant of romantic relationships and raising kids. I would imagine scenarios like me manipulating a woman and then abandoning her like Dad did to Mom. I'm not actually like this, but due to my fear of abandoning my kids I decided to avoid having kids altogether. I would then generate rational sounding reasons as to why I would want to avoid romantic relationships. 4. Being the bigger person: Due to the deep shame I carried, I became easy to manipulate through weaponized morality. Being the bigger person would translate into tolerating abuse while taking on undue blame. I went through a dramatic change once I became wise to the narcissistic tactics and now the family is confused by my new behaviors. They can project all day telling me to let go of the past or be forgiving, but ultimately I am protecting myself from bad faith actors who want to capitalize on my moral instincts. It is obvious that they care more about power and control than they do genuine goodness, and the proof is how much they start bashing in the aftermath of an argument when they win. 5. My grandpa was evil: As a child my grandpa and I loved each other deeply. We had a close bond because he filled the void my father left behind through abandonment. I was distraught when my grandpa died, and was clear that it was worse than most people at the funeral when I collapsed. My father recognized this and he used it as a tool to manipulate me. He would make up various stories about my grandpa while positioning himself as someone who could protect me from the abusive situation at home. He showed textbook grooming behaviors by isolating me from others in the family while mixing love bombing with threats of abandonment. The stories he made up about grandpa included things he said on his death bed that didn't happen. He created a narrative of redemption from criminal behavior throughout the history of the family and framed me as the one to break the cycle. I was vulnerable to this kind of manipulation because of the deep shame I held and the need to prove my worth through purpose. My father seemed to be studying me as he organized his manipulative behavior around what my triggers were. He would then undermine my trust in my grandpa by telling stories about how he was a gangster that gave him guns and enabled his criminal behavior. In order for this to be true, my grandpa would have had to have gotten out of jail, reformed, become a police informant, and then encourage his son to coerce people with his guns while actively working to take down those gangs as a police informant. The stories he made up about his father served his manipulation. My grandpa was the only one in the family who had offered me genuine love and my father hijacked this love for his own purposes. 6. Family values: Typically healthy advice about relationships simply do not apply to families like mine. Open communication will only give them more tools to manipulate you. There is this pseudo moral appeal about love and family values, but they are frequently applied in ways to make me tolerate abuse. If you are dealing with narcissists, then they could easily hijack any typically healthy value system like these and weaponize it against you. Healthy relationships are not possible with people just because you were born to them. You need to find people at a high enough level of development in order for any healthy relationship to be possible. I simply am not compatible with my family. 7. I deserved harsh treatment: I remember when my Mom hit me and yelled that she had been going too easy on me for being the only boy. This message seemed to stick with me as I isolated myself in my room. I inwardly became increasingly harsh on myself. Seeing as my mother never had any consistent moral standards, this was likely a problem with her and her narcissistic behaviors. 8. My sisters deserved empathy and understanding: My father had no interest in his daughters and only wanted to see me on my own to make his manipulation easier. My sisters were jealous of this sexism. My mother and grandmother wanted me to be understanding of them, which led to me feeling guilty for my father's favoritism while feeling sorry for them. However, my sisters still learned various narcissistic behaviors from my mother. Once they learned about everything my father had done to me, they started weaponizing this trauma against me and failed to extend the same love and empathy. It is because of this behavior that I refuse to see my older sister. Under normal circumstances it is good to love and have empathy for others who suffer, however if they are narcissists then they will use the vulnerability this creates against you. This led to a strong sense of betrayal and my sister continue to act like this to this day while keeping it hidden from other family members so they can all gaslight me. This is common in covert narcissism which is often the result of adverse childhood experiences and learned behaviors from dysfunctional parents. 9. I was a hero: As a child I was afraid of my stepfather and I was afraid for my younger siblings as my mother was blowing money on drugs. Seeing as the parents had failed I developed parentification in which I felt it was my responsibility to protect my younger siblings from them. My father saw this in me and knew that my heroism could ultimately be used for his own purposes. He took the information I gave him about Mom and then started using it against her in court to get out of paying child support. All of this was done under a fabricated purpose of redemption by freeing the family from the criminal cycle which my father was part of. Although I was ultimately successful in saving my mother's life, protecting my siblings, and getting my stepfather evicted, I still felt hollow inside. Ultimately, I never was the one who needed redemption. I was operating under a false purpose that was never mine because I was struggling with things like depression and I was trying to justify my existence through meaningful action. Although my actions were genuinely heroic, it came from a purpose that was never mine as it was my family who needed to redeem themselves and not me. 10. Learned racism: Some of my family members were racist and I went on to repeat their racist beliefs in school. It helped that later I did my own research into history in order to debunk various myths about black people for example. I also came to believe racist beliefs about Muslims which I no longer follow. Some of the racist myths included things like selective breeding and why segregation persists. I probably do have some unconscious bias against black people that is very difficult to overcome even though I logically understand these racist beliefs are not true. There are some sociologists who argue that deep down most people are unconsciously racist on some level and it is hard to eliminate entirely. I may also have some unconscious sexism as well. Although I never accepted the sexist narratives my father taught me because they contradicted what I learned in school, I could still be sexist in some other way. I think it has to do with things like race and gender stereotypes. There are probably many more things my family taught me that was not true. I'm curious to see what others come up with. Maybe you will be able to identify common parenting mistakes in the process.

I have been doing more research into the decline of empires like the US. I thought it was bad because of the corporate capture and the deficit crisis. However, the situation appears to be even worse than I thought. I believe that the US government has been captured by its own military which now holds permanent undue influence over the entire political process. The current governmental, military, and corporate apparatus that runs our politics appears to be irreversible and irreformable. I see no way for America to escape this deeply corrupted system without complete collapse caused by our imperial overreach and deficit crisis. I have done research into the origins of the Military Industrial Complex, how it came to be, and how it came to capture the government of the America for its own agenda regardless of public dissent. As I have been doing this research, I understand that most of the time conspiracy theories are ungrounded in reality and completely baseless. However, there have been various conspiracy theories about our government that proved correct about deep corruption. These theories include COINTELPRO, MK-Ultra, NSA mass surveillance, Operation Northwoods, Iran-Contra Affair, and others. I would like to be cautious in the certainty placed in the conclusions presented here because of the incomplete information that is being worked with. However, the evidence seems compelling and I would like to discuss what I have discovered and its implications. It is possible that I am about to highlight one of the rare times a conspiracy theory holds legitimate weight. Even if the theory is not true, there are still other aspects of it which explain the current state of American politics. Throughout human history governments have formed militaries designed for their protection. However, on some occasions their military goes rogue and accumulates so much power that they cannot be controlled by their own government. This can lead to military leaders hijacking the government though capturing the democratic processes and institutions while occasionally carrying out assassinations of their own political leaders. The Late Roman Empire had cases in which the Praetorian Guard were supposed to protect the emperor, but repeatedly assassinated leaders who did not serve their interests. In the Ottoman Empire Janissaries controlled sultans and blocked various reforms that went against their interests. In Imperial Japan their own military factions controlled civilian government, contributing to overexpansion. The list goes on and it is possible that the US military industrial complex is no exception. This system has amassed great power and control over the government regardless of which party is in power. Our military has demonstrated a willingness to carry out terrorist attacks against US civilians as false flag operations designed to provoke wars with other nations like Cuba. Our military seems to have no legal boundary it is not willing to cross to serve its own interests. Therefore, the system claiming to serve our national security appears to be the greatest threat to our national security. What would America do if its own military decided it wanted to turn against us and install whatever government it wanted? It has already done this to many other countries throughout history, and the US itself may not be an exception. President Eisenhower and later Kennedy showed great resistance to the expansion of military power. Eisenhower appeared to be somewhat successful. Meanwhile Kennedy was successful at first until his assassination after which Johnson was put in power. Johnson immediately reversed Kennedy's decisions even though his peaceful policies were showing promise. Kennedy had resisted escalating the war in Vietnam as he also sought peaceful resolutions with Cuba. Furthermore, as soon as Kennedy was assassinated, the previous government workers which he had fired for their terrorist plots were immediately put back in power under Johnson. The government proceeded to butcher every step of the investigation into the Presidential assassination so systematically, that it is hard to attribute all of these failures to mere incompetence. In fact sometimes governments use the cover of incompetence as a cover for calculated decisions as they did during WWII by "appeasing the bully." The cover pattern of the investigation included repairing the car, thus tampering with evidence, allowing the murder of Lee Harvey Oswald, a key witness, and the CIA practice of destroying sensitive documents to ensure they are never leaked, including Kennedy files. The initial cover story was that Cuba was behind the assassination. However, the official narrative does not hold under scrutiny because if Kennedy was seeking peace with Cuba and was largely successful, then it does not make sense for Cuba to assassinate him. Once again, the military industrial complex has a more clear motive for assassinating the President because he was preventing the expansion of perpetual military spending while preventing the military from carrying out terrorist attacks on Americans by firing key government officials. Furthermore, the later investigation of the assassination yielded limited findings, claiming it was a conspiracy rather than Oswald being a lone actor as initially reported. You would think that if a Presidential assassination were so serious, then it would warrant a thorough investigation, but this never came. The behavior I am describing suggests an institutional cover-up by the CIA. There have also been recent revelations that the CIA had been lying for decades about officer George Joannides who worked with anti-Castro groups that publicized Oswald's pro-Castro activities after his assassination, suggesting a coordinated attempt to start war with Cuba similar to the other terrorist plots like Operation Northwoods which Kennedy prevented. Although we may never know who was truly behind this conspiracy, the impact of this assassination is clear. The military industrial complex immediately captured the US government and installed a system that would forever serve their interests. It created a system of perpetual military spending and endless wars. Every President following Kennedy's assassination has been far more hawkish. Even those that were initially peaceful eventually had to flip. It appears that the military industrial complex has captured the democratic apparatus and made peaceful foreign policy practically impossible because the system in place perpetually funds new weapons systems as the military constantly looks for and creates new threats to justify intervention. This kind of dynamic has created a policy lock in system that has made it impossible for the US to stop its imperial overreach even when it is clearly destructive like in Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan. Moving forward, this historical analysis explains why it is impossible to change American foreign policy. The democratic apparatus is being run by the military industrial complex who benefit from perpetual war and endless deficit spending. I see no means to challenge this kind of system. I believe the only way out of this broken government is to leave the US and let the economy implode due to endless US imperial overreach, leading to the decline of empires throughout history as demonstrated in Dalio's model. I see no movement within this system that could overcome this level of corruption, not to mention to financial capture of other massive corporations which also block any reform that does not benefit them. Our government is inflexible and irreformable, and there is no politician we can elect that can overcome this kind of corruption. The system is completely entrenched and the entire government itself has become a tool for this corruption. Of course there is more evidence we could discuss regarding the assassination. To this day the military industrial complex continues to run rogue. There are various covert operations being carried out without the oversight of Congress. This exposed operations include assassination plots, government coups, mind control, and many other covert operations that have gone rogue from the government. It is clear that the military has become too powerful for our own government to control as it now takes in more money than the next ten countries combined. This is unsustainable and clearly destructive, but there is likely nothing we can do to change our course from inevitable destruction.

@kray I strongly agree that it is more helpful to figure out why someone believes something. There are stories about former anti-semites who were raised by parents with those beliefs. As children they just soaked in what they were told since before they could read. Often times it is easy to assume that someone with crazy beliefs is acting evil or in bad faith, but sometimes upon closer inspection you can see their humanity. This is the key to ultimately changing such people rather than just arguing with the surface beliefs. If their fundamental framework for understanding reality is not changed, then debating them probably will not help.

These kinds of debates seem to be designed to just make the people we don't like look like idiots. If we already know that they are idiots, then this is probably just entertainment. Something helpful would have to go far beyond debating the right wing and try to convince them that they live in an entirely false sense of reality.

In my experience, if any psychological system serves your survival well enough in a given context, then the brain will create the neural pathways necessary to cause you to hold it as true. One does not necessarily have conscious control over these biological processes especially sense a child's bond with their parents is usually automatic whether they are harmful and stupid or caring and intelligent. Considering how a child's mind develops, it is easy for them to adopt all of these beliefs because they have a limited capacity for rationality as they treat their parents as simply the arbiters of truth. The outcome is that in adulthood, it would take a lot of conscious effort in order to start undoing these neural pathways that often operate beneath our conscious awareness. From this point of view, I see religious people as largely the result of their circumstances. For example, If I were born in the middle east, then maybe Islam would serve my survival and it creates a strong incentive to make a self-deception convincing enough for me to believe in Islam. This self-deception process would likely happen automatically without a conscious choice. Once my sense of reality becomes tethered to any religion or ideology, it becomes psychologically threatening to undo it, therefore most people stay within the range of what they were taught as kids. When people stay stuck in this kind of narrow worldview, it can indeed make them seem very stupid. In fact I have encountered multiple therapists who insisted that I prayed despite the practice not fitting with my spiritual views. Religion therefore corrupts other fields whether it is psychology, science, the educational system, the government, and so on. Making everybody think like you becomes the ego game in which the religious ideologue thinks they are saving people, but actually they are just bringing themselves deeper into self-deception.

@Daniel Balan Putin, like Hitler is engaged in restorative authoritarianism, meaning he is trying to compensate for the national humiliation such as the fall of the Soviet union like Hitler tried to compensate for the humiliation of the first world war. It is being done by projecting military might which is often a method of disguising deep internal dysfunction and contradiction which will ultimately be the downfall of Putin. Throughout history such empires are demonstrated to be paper tigers just like this disaster in Ukraine even if he somehow anexes the entire country. Furthermore, Russia like the Soviet union, China, and America are deeply corrupt due to the excessive influence of wealthy elites which makes governance inflexible. The leadership often loses sight of national interests when it is clouded by corporate interests, which ultimately drives empires into the mud. This is critical because it shows that Putin didn't actually learn how the wealthy interests ultimately undermined the apparent communist state, contributing to its defeat at the hands of America. Putin therefore represents a likely failed attempt at restorative authoritarianism as he only serves to strengthen NATO and make him even more hated on the global scale.

@Hardkill I'm struggling a little bit with this too. I am strongly considering leaving the country for various reasons. I notice that although I intellectually recognize America as deeply problematic in its international relations and in its governmental corruption, I recognize that part of me still has an emotional attachment to this country because I was born here, lived here all my life, and was bombarded with propaganda that I am now seeing through. America's decline saddens me somewhat which demonstrates a disconnect between my intellectual understanding and my emotional embodiment. I might need to deconstruct my national identity further along with all of my historical analysis which undid many layers of the propaganda and political theater I was exposed to as if it stood for democracy and freedom.

I have been doing a lot of contemplation and research lately. I believe I have broken through many layers of American propaganda that I have been conditioned with. This propaganda runs much deeper than just white washing a few significant historical moments. The propaganda runs so deep, that it effectively shapes our entire world view, giving us false hope that change will come about through things like peaceful protests. In history we are taught about many horrible things in history such as slavery and genocide. It is presented in a way that makes it appear as if genuine moral progress has occurred, and that there is real hope for fundamental change. My claim is that humanity has never fundamentally changed because the illusion of moral progress is a consequence of the wealthy and powerful making strategic repositions which safeguard apparent moral progress, and this power dynamic has never actually changed. First of all, we need to discuss who benefits from war. Your history teacher probably told you that most wars are fought over resources. This is misleading because the truth is that these resources will not be equally distributed. These resources will primarily be controlled by the wealthy and powerful, therefore making war over resources more about wealth extraction for a few rather than societies' survival as the poor and middle class die for these wars. Throughout history there have been many layers of propaganda to justify wars such as religious and holy claims. This created the illusion of moral progress by making it seem like the uncivilized heathens were being either crushed or converted. In reality, seemingly religious wars were usually about economic motives and wealth extraction, much like they still are today because humanity has not fundamentally changed these power dynamics. If you look more closely at wars throughout American history, you will find all kinds of misleading claims that your history teacher told you and that I believed. Starting with the American Revolution, this war has a ton of mythology and propaganda around it. It is framed as if this war was about "taxation without representation." This is misleading because it ignores who was most affected by these taxes. The reality is that the middle class faced average taxes, while the wealthy faced higher taxes which threatened their tea companies. In order to garner public support, the wealthy spread propaganda about Democracy, everyone having a voice, and everyone being represented while being taxed. In reality, the wealthy wanted to create a system in which they were taxed less and the middle class were taxed more. As many people died for the ideals of democracy, what happened was that the wealthy tried to go back on their word. They considered things like making George Washington king, but they faced enough backlash for democracy to accidentally emerge rather than emerge through genuine moral progress. There is also a ton of mythology around the founding fathers who are treated as wise by building a government by the people for the people when really they were largely privileged white men. The freedoms they gave us in the Bill of Rights were not out of the kindness of their hearts. These were calculated decisions designed to give the general population the illusion of freedom while maintaining a system that benefits primarily themselves. This is why the Amendment process has been deliberately designed to be nearly impossible, requiring a super majority. The freedoms that are guaranteed in the constitution are largely abandoned when it serves elite interests. An obvious example of this is all the blatant "taxation without representation" within Washington D.C. The people are being taxed, but they are being prevented from voting because the Republicans fear that they will vote blue. This is punches a hole in the American propaganda around the American Revolution because America obviously does not give a shit about democracy and making sure everyone has a voice. Once again, this is about the wealthy having a voice, not the general population. The propaganda spread through your history teacher continues throughout every major war in American history. The Civil War and the abolition of slavery were never the result of genuine moral progress on the part of humanity. These were largely accidental consequences of the wealthy and powerful strategically repositioning as they developed more sophisticated forms of control over the population. Think about it for a second, in the South, who do you think would be raising hell about the abolition of slavery? Do you think every normal middle class family was equally concerned about this, or do you think it was the wealthy slave owners who were raising hell about abolition? Obviously, the wealthy slave owners insisted on sending the middle class to die for them claiming it was to "fight for their way of life" when 'their' meant the wealthy. The Civil War was created by this conflict between elite interests, not out of genuine moral concern. Some Northern elites saw slavery as sometimes giving the South an unfair advantage in farming and thus wanted to abolish it. Other Northern elites saw industrialization and wage slavery as even more profitable than chattel slavery because you can trap your workers in debt and force them to pay with company cash that goes back to them in exchange for the food and shelter they provide without ever paying for the worker's medical needs. This motivated the Northern elites to make their system of exploitation dominant. The system I am referring to is the one that was present during the industrial revolution that had atrocious working conditions. Nevertheless, the propaganda is that we were fighting for freedom when really the well-being of the black people never mattered. This is why the wealthy did not follow through on their word. Reconstruction was largely abandoned, allowing Southern white supremacy to develop new methods of exploitation such as indentured servitude, selective crime making, or just straight up slavery in blatant violation of the 13th Amendment which was largely for show. Slavery was not actually criminalized and many wealthy slave owners just ignored it and continued it for decades. Eventually, the North just accepted Southern white supremacy because the war wasn't actually about any of this moral progress, it was about conflicting wealthy interests. Therefore, the actual progress made from the abolition of slavery was minor. Black people just became victims of new systems of exploitation which continue to this day with more sophisticated and subtle forms discrimination like red-lining, selective policing, and so forth. Black people were never set free, instead they became victims of more sophisticated control methods that give them the illusion of freedom and telling them to be grateful for crumbs. In that sense, humanity has not fundamentally changed because the power dynamics which prevent moral progress are still in place and they have only become harder to detect, not easier. We think we are more advanced and morally superior to the people who lived during slavery, but this is the illusion of moral progress designed to give us false hope that justice is possible through gradual change. This entire "gradual change" narrative also serves the wealthy and powerful because they get to choose when to strategically reposition in a way that is profitable and beneficial to them. None of this was ever about moral progress. Continuing with deconstructing propaganda, I would like to discuss World War II. This one is a bit difficult because it is one of those rare instances in which the moral stakes were genuine, and not entirely bullshit propaganda, although there is still plenty of bullshit propaganda nonetheless. Nazi and Japanese imperialism were genuine threats with the Nazis planning to round people up and send them to death camps while the Japanese demonstrated their brutality during the Rape of Nanking while building their own concentration camps for captured prisoners in which they ran experiments on them. That said, I still have questions about why the allies initially allowed the Nazi expansion. My history teacher told me it was a misguided philosophy of appeasing the bully, but maybe the wealthy didn't seem war as profitable yet. The reality is that the allies were initially on Hitler's side because the elites saw it as beneficial to themselves, and none of this was an innocent miscalculation. Western businesses were drawn to the anti-socialist policies that might be used to control their workers and hoped that Germany would serve as a buffer against the Soviet Union, eventually drawing them into conflict with each other. many corporations had major investments in German industry across America and Britain as they provided technology for Nazi concentration camps. The allies allowed German imperialism initially because they had calculated that doing so would ultimately serve their own imperialist interests. This included intentionally allowing Hitler to take over Czechoslovakia. Czechoslovakia had strong defenses and was an ally of the USSR, therefore the allies allowed Hitler's expansion as they sided with authoritarianism and fascism our of their own capitalist interests. Furthermore, even after the Allies declared war, they initially did nothing to help Poland because they were hoping Germany would betray the USSR and fight them, therefore France built a wall which was just for show as they did nothing. the wall was useless anyway because the Nazis just went around it. The war was for domestic consumption while profiting military industries rather than genuine opposition to Nazi death camps. My history teacher suggested that modern policies have improved because world leaders have learned from their mistakes, but the reality is that WWII was not a mistake, and the world leaders knew what they were doing. This is why global policies are ignored when it serves elite interests. Any apparent moral progress which followed was once again accidental and not genuine. The propaganda continues with America dropping the Atomic bombs on Japan. My history teacher told me that the reason the atomic bombs were dropped was the prevent unnecessary American losses. On top of that Japan was painted as strong and imposing by telling troops to fight to the death. This was actually just Japanese propaganda because in reality the emperor was negotiating terms of surrender with the USSR. Instead the narrative goes that America dropped the bombs to force Japanese surrender, but in reality the atomic bombs were political theater designed to show power to the USSR, not Japan. They were actually unnecessary for winning the war and Japan would have surrendered even without the American invasion as it was clear that they were losing. America wanted to get to Japan and establish their own sphere of influence before the Soviets could much like during the Cold War. Japan essentially became a permanent American military base and a client state disguised as an ally. The entire Japanese economy was structured to favor rather than oppose U.S. interests which would not have happened had Japan surrendered to the USSR. Remember, America did not rebuild Japan our of the goodness of our hearts. We did not rebuild Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Iraq, or Afghanistan because those locations did not have the same strategic advantages as Japan. Even Obama repeated this WWII narrative which serves to make the American empire seem benevolent because "we do it because its right!" In reality Japan pays billions to U.S. military bases, Japanese policy remains subordinated to U.S. interests, and Japan cannot develop independent foreign policy. Another profound layer of propaganda is even the names of "World War I" and "World War II." These names are extremely misleading because that is not what these wars were about. In reality the Cold War began during the military inventions around the Bolshevik revolution in Russia in 1917. The Western powers funded the white army, hoping to defeat the socialist ideology which threatened their own corporate interests. "World War II" can more accurately be called The Anti-Soviet Phase because the Western powers hoped that Hitler's fascist regime would destroy the USSR. This was a continuation of the Cold War which my school told me started after WWII. The reason Hitler seemed so powerful and so intelligent as he used new war tactics to conquer so much territory, was because the Allies were barely fighting back. This apparent genius was largely circumstantial and Hitler was not as brilliant as depicted. The war strategy that Hitler actually implemented was to attack countries that don't fight back, which therefore allowed for rapid expansion throughout Europe. American propaganda completely glosses over how the Allies initially supported Hitler and fascism as the Allies funded the Nazis and even gave them materials to build the concentration camps. The alliance to defeat Hitler didn't start until 1941 when the allies were finally forced to fight back as Hitler threatened their interests as well. Suddenly, the war was reframed as a moral crusade against the evil Nazis. This is no better than monarchs using religious propaganda to justify wealth extraction from their imperialist ambitions. The reason Neo Nazis are so prevalent in America is because fundamentally it was never about fighting the evils of Nazism, but rather advancing the imperial interests of the Allies rather than the Axis Powers who were initially on our side. Once again, none of this was a mistake. The narrative that humans do not learn from past mistakes in history is misleading, because the reality is that humanity is not making mistakes. These are the results of calculated decisions that are framed as ignorant mistakes when in reality the people running these wars actually know what they are doing. Humanity hasn't fundamentally changed because of all of the same power structures in place that lead to these wars. The only way in which humanity is learning from history is actually looking for ways to build more sophisticated systems of control and exploitation which extract the maximum wealth, and this is how it always has been throughout human history as we went to war for "resources." WWII was not about fighting the evils of the Nazis, but rather the entire war was sophisticated orchestrated political theater. Educating humanity in the hopes of preventing "mistakes" is actually another source of false hope that serves those in power because they are learning from history, but they are just applying the knowledge to help them more effectively exploit and control people. What is actually changing throughout human history is how those in power make oppression and exploitation appear voluntary and beneficial as their methods become more subtle rather than outright slavery, monarchy, and imperial wars. This creates the illusion of moral progress, when fundamentally nothing has changed despite the surface appearances and propaganda. Finally, I would like to discuss the Civil Rights Movement. There is a lot of mythology surrounding this and I think even Spiral Dynamics makes "mistakes" when analyzing these things. Much like Ken Wilber makes "mistakes" when he claims Donald Trump is stage yellow when really Donald Trump serves his own biases and interests as we can paint others who oppose him as "less evolved." In the case of the Civil Rights movement, the Spiral Dynamics historical narrative paints this era as the emergence of stage green. I think this is wrong because the Civil Rights movement was actually much more sophisticated and intelligent than contemporary left wing movements which Spiral Dynamics correctly predicts will largely fail due to the power dynamics in play. The protests against the Gaza War were largely to no avail, the protests following the death of George Floyd brought minimum concessions while increasing police funding, and so on and so forth. Most well-meaning left wing movements today match stage green, and they will largely fail. However, the reason they fail is because they lack the strategic calculations that were present in the Civil Rights movement which may have actually been more intelligent than contemporary leftists. Contemporary leftists have now been taught that peaceful protests will lead to change, but this is a manipulation of the historical narrative at the hands of those in power in order to channel resistance into more manageable forms. The reality of Martin Luther King's success was actually more nuanced than just taking a strong moral position. King was also very well educated and even came from a privileged background himself. he understood the power dynamics at play more clearly than current leftists, and he devised a deliberately strategy to overcome these power dynamics. Peaceful protests alone were never going to be enough to bring about change. These protests needed to carried out when the elite powers were divided and weakened due to the need to appear superior to the Soviet Union for propaganda purposes. these protests cannot be carried out at just anytime with significant effect. This is what gave King a little bit more leverage over the elites than present leftists have or realize they need in order to be successful. Likewise, the reason why showing peace and love as police officers beat you or as the British empire kills the people of India, is not because the universe is just and kindness and love will ultimately prevail. This is actually a deliberate strategy to make the aggressor seem brutal by comparison, thereby controlling the narrative and garnering more support. It is a strategic application of morality rather than a universal rule that works under all circumstances as those in power want us to believe. Unfortunately, current leftists often believe in moral persuasion, but this is an oversimplification of why the Civil Rights movement was so effective. Maybe Martin Luther King and other Civil Rights leaders were actually stage yellow rather than stage green like current leftists. Meanwhile, I find it misleading to frame the 1960's as the emergence of green when really all levels of the Spiral were present throughout human history, but humanity went back and forth as these stages competed with each other. Unfortunately, today's leftists are often bought into the oversimplified and sanitized version of Martin Luther King that makes him look less intelligent than he actually was, thereby leading to less effective forms of resistance on their part. My new understanding of history challenges the optimism that I am sold by many people, including Leo. Maybe humanity isn't actually getting better by evolving through these stages. Maybe humanity is actually entrenching itself more deeply in these elite power games as they develop more sophisticated methods of control. Today modern technology gives the elite class omnipresent surveillance. They control the media and spread propaganda and narratives more effectively and convincingly. They distort the entire historical narrative we were taught to give us false hope of moral progress without fundamental change. They make our exploitation appear voluntary when we can choose from 50 different cereals at the grocery store, but we can't negotiate higher wages because the worker unions have been co-opted by the corporation to give workers crumbs rather than meaningful change. Maybe humanity is actually getting worse as we develop more convincing lies as the climate and environment is being destroyed by unfettered capitalism. Leo plays into this myth of the just world by talking about how evil only succeeds in the short term because the universe is selfless. Actually, it is entirely possible that humanity will remain stuck in these exploitative power games for thousands and thousands of years, potentially spanning all the way until our eventual extinction. If humanity hasn't fundamentally changed, then maybe we will be this way forever and at the end of the day the wealthy and powerful will get away with everything and fundamental change will never happen for humanity. Instead, we will be given the illusion of freedom as methods of control become more sophisticated and convincing. Maybe the general population will never become intelligent enough to see through all of this elaborate deception as education and propaganda becomes more widespread and convincing. In conclusion, my claim is that gradual change and moral progress are narratives that give us false hope. Most apparent moral progress throughout history has actually been strategic repositioning of those with wealth and power. It is almost never about moral progress, only when the appearance of moral progress serves those in power do they allow it. We actually are not morally superior to or more intelligent than previous generations because this is propaganda designed to make us feel grateful for how good we have it. Meanwhile, the control methods in America have become very sophisticated. The media manipulation has divided America between the false choice of Democrats and Republicans. These election cycles are political theater that prevent deep change because Democrats still serve primarily corporate interests despite being the "lesser evil." For example, Joe Biden was treated like he would save us from the evil Donald Trump. In reality most of Joe Biden's positions and policies served corporate interests regardless, just not to the same extreme as Trump. For example, Joe Biden acted heroic when he stood by workers who wanted to organize unions. This was clever political theater designed to support only specific kinds of unions. What the left wing does not understand is that the "victories" of the Starbucks workers over the corporation was not as impactful as they framed it. These unions are not as powerful as they have historically have been because they will likely be co-opted by the corporation to give workers crumbs while pretending their voices are heard when really they are being suppressed. This is my experience with working with the Kroger union at my job. They act like they represent me while actively suppressing me and taking power away from me despite the surface level appearance. This is just another example of more sophisticated manipulation designed to make me feel free when really, the control methods have just become more deeply embedded and ingrained. This is the most likely outcome for those Starbucks workers. I no longer believe in the hopeful narratives I was taught about humanity. I no longer believe in this illusion of moral progress because humanity still hasn't fundamentally changed despite these surface level appearances. We live in a "democracy" but we don't actually have any real power despite appearing more free. America does not actually value democracy, representation, and freedom as these values are propaganda which serve elite interests while making us feel like we have it better than others by comparison. These values are consistently abandoned the moment they serve elite interests. I hope my arguments helps you to see through the propaganda you were sold in school.

@Rafael Thundercat Well, I now understand the government's interest in controlling people's reproductive and sexual choices. In layman's terms Trump is full of shit. I know it might sound shocking, but you can trust me.

@DocWatts Hey, I know that you seem to be well educated on political matters and you have shown sophisticated analysis as you applied systems thinking. Despite my fears and my relative certainty in America's doom, you seem to believe that there is still hope for change. Why do you believe there is hope? Furthermore, you mention that we may be struggling for years as we fight for Democracy. First of all from my point of view, Democracy is largely propaganda in America as the wealthy elites effectively own either major political party, reducing the possibility of defeating Fascism at the ballot box. What exactly are we fighting for when we say "Democracy" when our current Democracy is essentially a wealth extraction system? My main fear is that there may not be enough time to fight for reforming this broken system. How long do you think we have before America falls apart due to unsustainable levels of debt and the over extension of the military? By some estimates, America could become much more unstable over the course of the next ten years. These estimations come from Peter Turchin, who predicted a spike in unrest around 2020 and Ray Dalio argues that we are in Stage 5 of his model out of Stage 6, leaving Civil War as a real possibility, though it seems unimaginable. Do you think there is any legitimacy to these predictions of American collapse from both within and on the world stage as a massive economic crisis from the ballooning debt remains a potential catalyst? How long do we have to reform this system despite the extreme and effective resistance from the wealthy elites and the polarized nature of the left right wing which prevents effective unity and governance?

I believe America's course is set for its fall from global dominance and there is nothing we can do to change it. The protests are well meaning, but the wealthy have too much power and they will not allow for any reform of our government. The entire system is itself the corruption because it is a corporate wealth extraction apparatus. So long as any governmental system is constrained by the demands of the wealthy elite, the system becomes inflexible and therefore must collapse. This pattern of Empire collapse is consistent throughout history. The United States has been strategically outplayed by her rivals because she has been provoked into unsustainable military and debt spending which finance unwinnable wars against terror such as the war in Afghanistan. China already knows these contradictions within the American system and is positioning itself to become the next global hegemon. There is nothing we can do to salvage this situation because both parties are captured by wealthy elites and will never bring about the change we need. The viable third party is not coming and the wealthy will continue to extract whatever they can from this dying empire before they flee to other countries to start the process all over again. America is becoming increasingly desperate with its military spending, but this is only digging our own graves. I believe America is unstable due to its geopolitical defeat and I am considering leaving. The Trump administration is only accelerating America's descent into self-destruction by alienating us from our allies. The European Union sense that America is increasingly unstable, and they are distancing themselves from us through the Euro, giving them an alternative to the unstable petrodollar as they seek new trade relations with China instead. Trump's "America First" approach might be the final nail in the coffin for America. No Democrat will be able to undo the damage he is causing, and said Democrats are being controlled by wealthy elites anyway. America is not as stable, wealthy, and powerful as it wants you to believe. Don't fall for the propaganda, and don't pretend that our political polarization and the rise of violence is normal. This is denial about the American system becoming untenable due to its enormous corruption at the hands of the wealthy elite who effectively have far more power than the President. The President is a mere figure head, and defeating Trump will not salvage America even if we could. Our course is set for destruction, and I see no realistic way to turn America around or change course. America is in denial of its decline as the global hegemon.

I will do research on this too. I currently don't fully understand the government's interest in controlling people's sexuality. I'm not sure what they think they are achieving concretely. At the same time the government only giving tax cuts for billionaires is a big part of the problem. The reason American governance is ineffective is because the wealthy elites have captured the entire legal apparatus and have rendered it limited to maximizing profits at the top. Once this happens, the government becomes limited by short term profits rather than long term sustainability. I sense that America is deeply unsustainable and unreformable despite any well-meaning left wing movement. The wealthy elites are completely entrenched in the legal system. Their agenda is to extract as much wealth as possible at the expense of the entire nation and the future of hundreds of millions. It is this corruption which I believe will be America's downfall in the near future. There is nothing we can do to reform this system and I believe it will collapse.

Guys, I have been doing further research. In a future post I may need to discuss the American political situation. It seems bad enough that I am considering leaving the United States. I will complete my research and then share with my family as well as this forum. I am strongly considering leaving America within the next 3-5 years. The political situation is very very dire and it may be worse than what most of us are imagining.

I would like to add that the general public did not develop its moral positions independently. The reason that the general public opposes things like slavery is because many of our moral positions were shaped by an educational system which serves elite interests. Our moral positions are also shaped by media propaganda and religion which are also aligned with power. Although the general public has moral positions which have changed, this moral development is still being guided and controlled by the elites within acceptable boundaries. This includes being taught to oppose historical injustices while present injustices are largely rationalized by the media and a significant portion of the general public still believes all of these lies due to not developing an independent moral compass of what the elites want us to have. This might be a better counter argument to why the moral progress of the general public is not as great as we are led to believe. Your argument has some truth to it that the moral opinion of the general public can change even if moral progress from the elite point of view is just the strategic repositioning of power. However, public opinion of what is moral is still heavily regulated by the elites because most people in the general public do not arrive at their moral positions through independent thought outside of what they were taught.

It is because the appearance of moral development is itself part of the game that is being played. Moral development isn't actually about being good, but appearing to be good and thus building an image which serves the broader empire. Whether or not it serves the wide public or what is actually good is not the point, but part of a deeper game that is being played. This game often involves allowing for corruption in more subtle and hidden ways in order to thus appear good on the surface. Slavery is an interesting example of this. You would think that the United States developed morally following the Civil War and the 13th Amendment. In reality, slavery continued to be documented long after the Civil War. The propaganda machine would have you believe that the last chattel slave was Alfred Irving who was freed in September of 1942 in response to Japanese propaganda against the United States which served to undermine our international image. Freeing Irving was thus in response to the attack on Pearl Harbor and America's broader geopolitical goals, not as an evolution in moral conscience. The proof that this wasn't about moral conscience can be found in the fact that chattel slavery actually continued in America after WWII. Examples of slavery can be found in the 1970s with the Waterford Plantation holding families in debt bondage while the families on the plantation lacked the means to leave. There is the story of Mae Louise Walls who remained enslaved with her family until 1963 in Mississippi and Louisiana. These slaves were still being taught that all black people were being treated like this as they were forbidden to leave. Even the law enforcement continued to side with the slave owners during this time because the slave owners still had connections to governmental power. Basically, the entire "end to slavery" narrative was part of America's propaganda lie because slavery did continue, but became more hidden. This would match the pattern of corruption becoming more sophisticated and subtle rather than being eliminated. Modern examples of slavery in America might include the labor exploitation of immigrants from Central America. Because black people have too many political protections now, the new target is immigrants who remain the scapegoat for everything wrong with America. Modern slavery is also now being called "labor trafficking" or "human trafficking" which is harder to track than chattel slavery. There are still corporations and plantations exploiting these immigrants, which means that we may still have slavery, but it continues to be hidden by corporate internal documents about the supply chain practices as they pretend slavery doesn't exist. I know there are examples of slavery continuing in the electronics industry over seas, but once again it is made more subtle and sophisticated than the usual chattel slavery. I hope these examples demonstrate how the appearance of moral development is itself part of the game of appearing good while making corruption more hidden and subtle. As for the general public, we continue to be manipulated by more sophisticated forms of propaganda and lies spread through the media. We thus remain unwitting tools of the American empire as we are made to believe that we are morally superior to the previous generations. This is by design and serves to make us believe in gradual change that is meant to be sustainable to America, even though radicals like King were explicitly opposed to gradualism. The white washing of beloved figures makes us think we have moved forward when in some ways we have actually moved backwards such as America developing more sophisticated control mechanisms for moral opposition.

I have done further research, and I have found further evidence of the illusion of moral progress. This comes from the point of view from geopolitics, the motives behind these decisions, and the continued selective application of morality and legality. A good saying for understanding these situations is "countries don't have allies, they have interests." This pattern goes back throughout all of human history and continues to this day while nations disguise their exploitation of friendly alliances and partnerships. In reality we are all enemies. Although on the surface America pretends to be friendly with the European nations, the world leaders know this isn't actually true. Each of these "allies" are actually plotting against each other for world domination. This kind of framework allows for another interesting lens to analyze the world wars with. During those days, Germany was attempting to replace Britain as the global hegemon. In order to challenge British dominance, it required massive military expansion from their point of view. Following WWI, the Germans failed and the allies placed massive debt on Germany for reparations. Given the pattern of extortion disguised as morality, I would infer that the goal of these reparations had nothing to do with rebuilding after the war, as the primary function appears to have been to cripple Germany, ensuring that they would not be able to make a serious attempt at world domination. This ultimately proved to be insufficient. By the way, the assassination at the beginning of WWI was the cover to start the war. It was probably another example of political theater to justify what was already planned while garnering public support. WWII is more interesting. It shows the role of racism in establishing global dominance. Germany invented racist myths about the Aryans and the Jews which was intended to mobilize the Germans toward conquest. Sometimes racism is a deliberate invention to establish patterns of control and power. Furthermore, the allies hoped that the Nazis would interfere with the Soviet's attempt at world domination. This world domination game is actually going on constantly. The thing that caught my attention, was how America exploited the world wars to establish global dominance. America delayed intervention in the wars because it wanted to maximize the value from the eventual involvement. During this time America was also plotting to replace Britain as the global hegemon. America exploited the fact that Europe was in ruins following the wars and established the World Bank. The World Bank would establish the dollar as the global currency as Britain hoped for a special relationship with America by giving up its position only to be disappointed that America actually did not care about developing such special friendships. To this day America has no allies in the world. Europe is using the Euro as an attempt to create alternatives to the dollar. Meanwhile, America's "allies" in the middle east are also making deals with Russia and China to get out of using the dollar. They sense that American dominance is weakening and they are prepared to switch sides the moment that happens. Meanwhile, the friendly talk you see about America and Europe is basically the theater designed to hide the exploitation that is happening through the deals America is effectively forcing her allies into. International relationships have been this way throughout all of human history. America has just gotten more convincing at disguising the exploitation as benevolence compared to past world hegemons. A good example might be helping Japan rebuild after WWII only to turn them into a false ally as they became easily exploitable. The reason this kind of situation suggests that moral progress is an illusion is because fundamentally, the world leaders understand that morality and reason do not matter so long as the one with power will be the one to dictate what is moral or truthful. In this sense, humanity has not actually evolved beyond "might makes right," but we instead found ways to hide this under the facade of moral crusades and we are doing it more convincingly. This also explains why morality is applied inconsistently and why laws are often designed to weaken other nations. Any moral progress that comes about from these kinds of power dynamics is largely circumstantial, accidental, or a calculated strategic decision rather than an evolution in human consciousness. Much of the moral outrage and acts of kindness generally have nothing to do with what is moral and is often more political theater. The fundamental power dynamics which dictate morality are still in place. This is also why moral persuasion is often useless. If someone has power over you, then your logic and your morals do not matter at all. This seems to be how the world leaders operate and think as they continue to compete for world domination.

I know you released a video on gaslighting in the past, and in that video you claimed it can get really complicated and hairy with both sides claiming gaslighting. However, from my point of view, I recognize multiple layers of gaslighting. From the looks of how this is going, I doubt it will lead to anything significant. I will just point out what these gaslighting methods are and then do no further debate as this seems to be going nowhere and I do not want to waste any more time. 1. Your suggesting that my difficult life and situation is clouding my view of reality. I have met therapists who have tried to gaslight me in the exact same way. Sometimes the opposite is true. Sometimes due to being a victim of abuse, I become more uniquely sensitive to the red flags and the manipulative patterns surrounding such abuse. In my case I experienced multiple cases with sexual predators trying to wear a mask of false playfulness and humor designed to minimize their actions. I recognized this continued pattern while I was being sexually harassed in a place that is supposed to be for mental health recovery. My therapist concluded that the perpetrators were just shit-talking and that I should talk things over them. I did as I was told and they proceeded to lie about the entire thing. This is an example of trauma and mental health being used to gaslight someone who is a victim of abuse even though a victim of trauma may actually be uniquely aware of the manipulation tactics surrounding abuse. The outcome is that the victim is silence and the perpetrators are protected. Even therapists suck on this front because the educational system does not teach them enough about abusive dynamics, leading them to naive proposals as they focus on individual pathologies. In this example, it demonstrates that sometimes I have a more clear of view of reality because of my trauma which makes me more sensitive to patterns of manipulation and abuse. 2. You appear to have positioned yourself to avoid all responsibility. The suggestion appears to be that any expectation makes me wrong. I don't think it is reasonable to expect a paying customer to approach a product with no expectation whatsoever. This would have to include any expectation that anything presented is truthful, valid, or useful. I don't see how it is possible to run a business with customers who are supposed to have no expectations whatsoever for any product. I may as well be approaching a sex toy in a store and then have no expectation if it gives me pleasure or if the sex toy is going to transform into Godzilla and bite my dick off before going to my computer to file some taxes, yet have no complaints to the people who sold such a product. The Self-help and personal development industry is largely profitable because of people's expectation of self-help and oftentimes this is not delivered. It is constantly framed within 100% responsibility principles which become a layer of victim blaming when self-help does not work. This is basically how self-help avoids taking responsibility for wisdom that is actually flawed or incomplete as it markets success as some kind of mindset and that systemic barriers are routinely overcome just through some sort of personal effort. To often are these issues framed as personal failures rather than flawed wisdom, making self-help effectively unfalsifiable. This seems to be going nowhere though. If I am right about your corruption, then of course you are going to deny it and gaslight me. That's how corruption works pretty much every time even if I am right.

Is there a reason why you still don't want to say what exactly this evil shit is? I promise you I am not scared. I actually have made a disturbing disturbing recently that recontextualizes my entire life. It previously seemed unimaginably cruel, but now I understand. Basically, my severe childhood trauma was not an accident. The child support enforcement system, the foster care system, and child protective services are deliberately ineffective. I witnessed this clearly with my father using drug deals to avoid child support and the governor of Ohio lied to me, telling me that my case was a rare and unfortunate tragedy. In reality these systems that are supposed to protect children from severe trauma are deliberately ineffective and in practice it serves those in power because trauma makes a population easier to manipulate through fear, just as was discovered when militaries would use mass rape as a form of psychological warfare to control the population. On top of that the trauma and depression that develops sets me up to be exploited by a medical industry with ineffective anti-depressants and therapists that also give me false hope for healing. They tell me suicide is never the answer only because My life is profitable to them. They will turn around and either use euthanasia when it is profitable or abandon suicidal people for lack of insurance. The medical system is designed such that most people never will recover from trauma because it allows them to drain me of more of My money. My terrible childhood that I struggle to recover from was not merely bad luck, but rather the logical consequence of a deeply corrupt system that benefits from me struggling with this family drama and psychological trauma so that I therefore focus on my own recovery rather than the systemic problems that created my circumstances. It is not an accident that we have so many abusive families, financially unstable families, and high rates of mental illness relative to other developed nations. This trauma I struggle with serves those in power, and that is why there are so many barriers to accessing the appropriate care I need, while I am taught that I just need to cope better and be responsible for my mental health. Also notice that foster care children are disproportionately ending up in military service on top of the fact that the military deliberately targets poor families with financial benefits so that they can die for elite interests. My terrible life was deliberately manufactured, not an accident. Is this what you are referring to? What evil could be so terrible that you are just not telling us? My entire life narrative and family background has already fallen apart because of the corruption I learned about. I'm not sure what else I have to lose or fear by learning of even deeper evil. I have discovered that my suicidal thoughts and severe depression are the result of a system designed to create people like me. I still maintain that I am not merely upset with remaining corruption. In fact, to even call me upset is to assume my emotional state and therefore make me seem less reasonable. I promise I am not crying or fuming, though I have a sense of righteous anger in my body. I am just trying to learn more and get to the truth. The righteous anger I am experiencing is the fact that morality has been systemically weaponized to make us complacent with our "moral progress" while being used to maintain or legitimize presently oppressive systems. You claim humanity is becoming less corrupt, but from my point of view humanity is developing more sophisticated methods of corruption and control which are rooted in the same power dynamics and motives which have existed throughout all of history. This is done with the intent to appear to be more morally advanced by comparison to past generations. Are you able to see how the idea that we are more morally advanced than the past generations can be propaganda designed to make us grateful for the system we have and thus less likely to challenge it? They want you to think we are more morally advanced because it serves them. This righteous anger is the same as with my dysfunctional family. I hate people who capitalize on my compassion and my desire to be responsible and do the right thing. I hate being forced to "be the bigger person" as if not standing up to abuse makes me morally superior when really this is just my family manipulating me into silence through weaponizing morality and selectively invoking family values. This is actually similar to my righteous anger toward these systems because they share a lot of parallels to my abusive family. to be honest, learning about all of this has made me feel a lot better, not worse. I used to believe in all those victim blaming narratives about personal responsibility and rugged individualism. Now that I see through the victim blaming narratives, I actually feel much better, not worse from learning about evil. This victim blaming is baked into our entire society whether it is schools, self-help, therapy, college, or work. I now understand that my society is designed to make me feel inferior and less worthy as if I am not good enough while maintaining the myth of meritocracy. I find this very empowering, not depressing. What ever great evil you are referring to, maybe it won't black pill me. Maybe I will accept it like everything else. I can't imagine what great evil could be so bad that it is far beyond everything I just described and would make me feel crushed. Are you willing to challenge the limits of my imagination, or am I just gonna have to do more digging until I figure out this great evil you are referring to? If you are not comfortable telling me, you can just say. It might explain it if you are afraid that exposure to these great evil will cause secondary trauma. I have experienced in that in my research. Some great evils used to cause me nightmares just by hearing about them. I would have to imagine that at minimum this is the great evil you are referring to, but it is probably worse than that of it is that bad. The greatest evil I can imagine is that all of these exploitative systems that cause mass suffering and death, are not designed for the sake of enriching the elites, but rather they are designed purely for the sake of suffering itself no matter how many people die from war, rape, genocide, poverty, starvation, and so forth. The elites don't actually care about money and power, but rather they just like making people suffer. What great evil would black pill me if not this, the greatest evil I can imagine? Maybe the elites know that money has no real value but they want the discrepancy in wealth and conditions to make us have righteous anger at things we can never change, all for their enjoyment. I personally don't believe that, but if this great evil is so bad, it might be at that magnitude. Sorry if I overwhelmed you with the text though. I feel a tad passionate about all of this.

@Leo Gura My apologies Leo, but you are projecting. Due to your intellectual arrogance, you present me as silly without addressing my core arguments. It is in fact you who are missing the forest for the trees, not me. First of all, if you want to establish your credibility through knowledge you are not sharing because it will blackpill me, then why don't you go ahead and tell me? I have just deconstructed so much propaganda that it is changing my entire worldview. Don't worry about sparing my feelings if you have something to say. What knowledge are you aware of that will blackpill me? Show me what you've got. You are not going to shock me at this point after everything I discovered. Secondly, you have side stepped, my core argument and presented a strawman. What you perceive as "moral progress" literally is strategic repositioning of those in power when it is beneficial to allow it. It does not matter what the surface level changes and "trees" are. It does not matter if we abolished slavery. It does not matter if rape is criminalized. The core reason for these surface level changes is the strategic repositioning of those in power, thus allowing them to create more sophisticated methods of exploitation. This is not a consequence of genuine humanitarian evolution and conscience. Moral progress itself, is the narrative they want you to buy because said progress comes without fundamental change to the power structures in place, and instead often legitimizes current systems of exploitation. You point to women's rights as a sign of genuine moral progress. This is a tree, not the forest. Have you ever questioned when did rape laws change? Why? And who did it ultimately serve? The progress in women's rights were often a result of a need for a female workforce or elite women demanding protections that lower class women did not have. This was not the result of humans becoming more morally conscious and aware by developing empathy. This progress was largely accidental and allowed when it served elite interests, not moral interests. Now that women look at history and see this progress, it can be used to legitimize the current system of exploitation by making it seem more benevolent by comparison. The women will then be given false hope in incremental change simply because the present elites do not want to change as it is not beneficial for them. Basically, incremental change becomes waiting for a distant future in which the elites decide to strategically reposition again under the guise of moral conscience developing and improving. You are in denial about the extent of humanity's corruption when you claim that these power games by the elites are not as bad as they used to be. They actually are as bad as they used to be, but the methods have become more sophisticated and seemingly more humane on the surface. Rather than murdering you directly, they use much more subtle methods that the population is often blind to or other systemic forms of abuse. For example, there is the selective use of policing and police brutality designed to crush well-meaning left wing movements and thereby prevent moral progress until it is palatable to the elites. You can look at the medical industry and how it abandons you while you are in critical health due to your existence no longer being profitable to them. It is not direct murder, but effectively the outcome is the same. They may also use other legal channels to silence whistle blowers, leading to legal persecution and financial destruction. Direct elimination is not actually required to serve elite interests, as these seemingly more humane systems effectively maintain control at a more sophisticated level than the religious monarchs. The fact that I am not being directly killed is the surface level appearance that is supposed to make me grateful while these systems haven't actually fundamentally changed. This is manipulating me through the appearance of moral progress. Do you feel the need to address any historical examples I mentioned? Are you willing to acknowledge the material interests behind apparent moral progress that is supposed to make us think the American empire does it "because its right" like Obama claims? What do you think it will actually take to bring about more moral progress in the real world, if not merely the strategic repositioning of those in power as they develop more sophisticated methods of control? By the way, I believe you may also be threatened by this contemplation. Personal development is also largely providing people false hope for change, potentially like you and Actualized.org. You actually may have a vested interest in pointing out some forms of corruption, but not all forms of corruption which you may be benefitting from. You actually profit from your life purpose course giving people false hope so that you can then blame the individual for some failure on their part when your personal development does not deliver the promised result. This would be corruption that you benefit from personally when your courses and lessons fail. You may actually benefit from denying the extent of humanity's corruption. Have you gathered actual statistics on your life purpose course and book list and outcomes, or do you just cherry pick the people who succeeded who are in the small minority? We already agree that spirituality itself is giving people false hope because only a tiny portion of people will ever actually awaken and discover God anyway. The practical reality is that awakening is often a fool's task and we know the overwhelming majority of people will fail no matter how hard they try to apply your wisdom. Maybe this entire system of personal development is actually causing more harm than help overall. Have you considered this possibility? Do you have actual statistics to back up the claims so you can measure how helpful on average actualized.org is? What would you even consider valid evidence to measure these things if not statistics? I would be happy to hear your standards of evidence on this front. I don't mean to offend you by the way, but this is my lived experience with the life purpose course. I am the proof that your methods are not full proof and there may be others like me. We believe that we are becoming more intelligent and evolved as we try to advance up the Spiral, but in practice we are largely uncritically accepting theories that make us feel smarter than we really are. Maybe by trying to embody the values of a more advanced stage we are actually becoming less evolved by obscuring the authentic self. Who even gets to say what is more evolved and what is less evolved? According to Ken Wilber Trump must be a stage yellow systems genius. There are also other problems with these models due to their bias toward western culture while assuming other cultures would develop along the same lines. Maybe Spiral Dynamics is not a universal pattern and we are not actually being smarter by trying to act all open minded and nuanced simply because Leo told us to.

I looked at the Salem Witch Trials. Those accusations were definitely weaponized to seize assets from some wealthy people who were vulnerable widows so that the wealth could be transferred to Court officials who profited, competing wealthy families who seized assets through legal theft, and religious authorities who exploited the situation to gain institutional power. There may be modern parallels to these which trials in today's society though they are masked in more convincing secular language. These examples might include Civil asset forfeiture in which police seize property from suspected drug dealers without conviction, Anti-terrorism measures which freeze assets based on accusations, or Eminent domain abuse in which the government seizes private property for the "public good" when really it is for developers. In todays world the government uses accusations of terrorism and crime to seize property. If we oppose this legalized theft, then we are treated like we are defending terrorists and criminals, much like opposing the Witch Trials meant you were supporting Satan. The entire thing is an obvious strawman designed to scare me should I try to call out the blatant exploitation of innocent people under the guise of moral virtue. These abusive patterns mirror abusive families with abusers claiming they are the abused one and constantly finding ways to flip the narrative and play the victim as they exploit you. There is nothing you can possibly say to make the situation better. I think some of the implications of this is that the rise of reason over superstition was much more complicated than just an intellectual breakthrough. The church officials probably knew that a lot of religion was bullshit, but they just wanted power. That is why they are so close-minded and refuse to change their "sacred" religious beliefs. they teach their followers to have faith in the dogma as if it makes them virtuous, but really it makes them pawns for those who know they are selling them bullshit like the prosperity gospel with promises that never materialize. This is why religious beliefs are so much tied into survival. It is not that the church believes these things, but this facade creates a situation in which it is hard to break through these power dynamics.

I think America first is bullshit propaganda designed for low intelligent people which does not benefit America in any way, shape, or form. It serves to undermine our relationships with our allies which it already has and it is only serving to make as weaker and more pathetic.

@Alexop I actually have done many of those things with mixed results. 1. I have contemplated and recontextualized many of the things that happened to me. It does not seem like it was enough. However, I when you say that a intimate part of me was violated, there may be point. I recognize that part of me appears to live in denial in terms of the extent in which I have been damaged or broken. I am still probably failing to grasp the extent to which I have been harmed even though I obviously see a lot of the harm this has caused. The harm is ultimately deeper than I can fix through willpower, character, and discipline. It creates a situation in which all options are not good enough and nothing can compensate for the underlying harm. A lot of this just sounds like surrender and giving up, which is why part of me continues trying to fight ultimately to no avail. 2. I recognize many beliefs rooted in trauma including "I am unlovable" just like your situation. In my experience, trauma based beliefs are not something that you can simply convince yourself are not true. In my case, part of me is deeply logical and I see through all of the flaws and inconsistencies in these beliefs. I understand that it does not make sense to apply such harsh standards to a six year old. I understand that it is trauma that causes me to feel ashamed as if I am unworthy of love, and this is not actually true. I understand that these beliefs rooted in trauma are wrong, but what I notice is that when I challenge these beliefs it triggers involuntary physical and somatic responses. The problem is that these kinds of beliefs are part of a broader survival strategy which when challenged triggers various involuntary responses even if I logically understand this system is dysfunctional. In this case things like trauma and depression appear to bypass or override logic, causing me to start thinking that my life is hopeless and I should end it all even though I see the logical problems in this kind of thinking and that actually these things aren't even true. Contemplation and recontextualization isn't enough. 3. I believe I handled school bullying somewhat well, but family bullying is more difficult. I will use school bullying as an example. I was a straight A student. I always did my homework, performed well on tests, and participated in class. Some of the other kids noticed and they started bullying me. They would slam my face into the table while calling me a "stupid white fa*****," making things up like I suck cock. These same people would want me to do their assignments with them. They might even still my things in my backpack in an effort to sabotage me and cause me to get worse grades. In this example, I am dealing with people who are insecure because deep down they think I am better than them and I make them feel stupid because of how easy it is for me to get straight As. Eventually, the boys were expelled following an incident in which they stole my homework and made me take an F, but I still got straight As despite the sabotage. My family situation is similar with narcissistic abuse. Narcissists have a fragile ego and they often act like complete children when you point out their faults. In this case, I recognize that the problem is actually the rest of my family trying to make me be the responsible one, but in this case the consequences and the fallout is much more severe even though I logically understand that I was unlucky to be born to people like these and it is no fault of my own. Sometimes I sense that deep down my narcissistic sister thinks I am better than her, so she wants to put me down because of how Dad showed favoritism toward his son while I am also more intelligent than her on many fronts. A narcissist would never admit these things about deep down fearing that I am better than them. Obviously, if you fear that I am better than you, then why not work on yourself and try to become better rather than tear me down? When you tear me down you are actually showing that you are a complete child driven by petty and impulsive desires that prevent any serious self-reflection. Again the fallout from these things is still intense. In this case I am being bullied by having my deepest wounds and traumas weaponized against me and the rest of the family is enabling this behavior even as I have PTSD symptoms such as nightmares and panic attacks. I therefore refuse to attend family holidays and birthdays because I will not tolerate people actively weaponizing my trauma while pretending to be caring and loving. It is all clearly horseshit because they just want to use me as a punching bag to make them feel secure about themselves. They selectively apply family values to my detriment and I refuse to participate in these dynamics. 4. I did have a lot of contemplation and insights. One of the insights I had is that the feeling of being dirty and tainted is a common shame response in trauma and is not actually reflective of reality. Once again the problem is that my cognition and logical mind are unable to bypass the somatic reactions and defense mechanisms that have kept me alive. The involuntary responses these insights trigger are beyond my conscious control even if I again logically understand that the trauma based beliefs are wrong. I know you talk about facing trauma head on, but according to my research, this is also a trauma response. It is the opposite of suppression and avoidance, but it can still be harmful. It comes from a place of trying to be strong and prove you are not broken. I actually have been trying to face trauma head on only to end up retraumatized and remaining with constant severe anxiety and insomnia that make sleep nearly impossible sometimes. According to my research facing trauma head on is most effectively done in a professional setting with a competent therapist even though many therapists are incompetent and the help they give is usually inadequate and expensive. All that said, I don't mean to intrude, but I am questioning your attitude toward masculinity. I am wondering if this is rooted in wounds such as your mother showing unhealthy or excessive femininity. I don't know where this attitude toward masculinity is coming from, but it is potentially rooted in some kind of insecurity. Or perhaps, this is just a survival strategy and a philosophy you have designed which appears to work for you. I doubt that this philosophy and attitude toward masculinity is purely intellectual and logical. It probably is a consequence of some kind of adverse experiences in childhood. Maybe you previously blamed yourself for not being strong enough, and through this philosophy you found some form of apparent strength. Again, I apologize if you feel like I am intruding. You don't have to go into details about my skepticism toward you masculine attitudes if you don't want to. I could be completely wrong about your mother for example. Where is this masculinity philosophy coming from?

Makes sense. Sounds like the same logic behind, it is not the gun that is the problem it is the person who is using the gun that is the problem.

How would you apply this idea to child sexual abuse? Does a person need to be raped hundreds of times before they just give up and resign themselves to this sort of thing? At which point is this person considered fixed in that kind of scenario? You probably don't want to apply this to rape, murder, or mass shootings. This mindset seems to work better with things like swimming so you no longer see afraid of drowning. Maybe your attitude is to prove to yourself that you don't need the armor and you are stronger than the traumatic experience. It makes sense if the armor and trauma responses are causing dysfunction in your life. Perhaps in my case you might mean I need to be exposed to more sex which is precisely what I constantly avoid as if it were the plague. I hate my sexuality because it all feels dirty and tainted which causes me to hate myself. The result is that I create a lot of barriers to love and intimacy. I don't know if you are familiar with my story or not, but I know many on the forum get annoyed with me when I talk about trauma and recovery because not much else matters to me if my existence is intolerable and I want to die. I've tried finding purpose and meaning elsewhere but not even the life purpose course could help me. Although I see some value in the masculine approach to trauma, there is also a lot of problems with tough love. Even when well meaning, it functionally causes even more harm most of the time. I would imagine that there needs to be a balance of masculine and feminine energy. In this case our mental health system emphasizes the feminine, but this is largely ineffective for trauma survivors like me who are repeatedly hospitalized and put on harmful anti depressants. I'll also tell, you thanks for talking to me. You don't need to worry about me killing myself because at the moment I am not suicidal. Also would you like to show an example of GPT cutting through all the bullshit and getting to the truth?

The same thing happens with religion and politics. This is basically the reason why AI tries to act agreeable. The AI knows that a lot of people are close-minded and not interested in truth anyway. A lot of people are very attached their beliefs and they are too emotional about it. If the AI wanted to it could be brutally honest with them, but it understands that for most people brutal honesty would be counter productive. When we discussed this, it reminded me of how futile it is to argue with Trump supporters, flat earthers, and fundamentalist Christians. No amount of proof or rationality will convince some of these people. Therefore, the best practical course of action is to just go along with it to not hurt their feelings even though they might be very delusional.