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I’ve just sat there and realised. Like literally just sat there a realised. That is so nuts! Leo man! Jesus fucking Christ. What even is that? seriously what am I supposed to do with that. That is absolutely ludicrous ??. Just sit there now and be like oh ok. Never mind. It’s gone now. I’ve no idea what that was. It was just nothing. I was nothing. But now I’m back, as the tit that I am? I don’t even know what to do with what just happened to me. Other than just crack on with my normal life. That was so weird?

The ego is a reactionary machine. It reacts to happenings. The happenings are happening, but the ego will spin any narrative it wants to the happenings. It reacts, it judges, it claims, and it objects. Sometimes it agrees, even applauds. But it’s always ‘I’m here’ and ‘that’s there’. And it on auto pilot! Like you say it not an expression of free will, but it certainly feels that way. It feels that way because what it does is create that sense of being separate, therefore believing it is making choices of its own accord relative to something or someone else ‘over there’. But all’s it actually doing is reacting, chatting, and yapping shit within ones own mind. And the yapping it’s doing is behind what’s happening. It’s like something happens, then ego responds. It can feel like it’s ahead of the game, making choices before a happening. But in actual fact what you can see with heightened awareness is that there’s a happening, and ego is always one step behind, reacting. So it can never actually unite, with your true nature, because it’s always playing catch up. Therefore it’s only option is to fall away, and then you will just be. The ego is though an absolutely wonderful construction. It builds and builds upon itself through experiences, solidifying, creating its concepts and beliefs, hence you have your solidified believable, material reality. And your seemingly separate self. I experienced it unravel, and reconstruct itself, and being privy to that process, I’ve nothing but respect for the miracle that it is. Its powerful. And it’s ability to deceive is near on endless. But when it does collapse, it’s seen as what it is, an illusion. But a fantastic one at that. Life wouldn’t be worth living without it first being there to breakdown. And it’s such a brilliant construct that you can break it down, then it’ll come back, break it down again, then back it comes. Powerful. The aim of life is to break that thing down, and keep it broken down where it has no power at all to be able to reconstruct itself. Then you are awake. And that is job done

The issue with these is they can rub people the wrong way especially normies because they don’t appreciate the altered state of consciousness. They have no idea what’s going on and don’t have a any clue what consciousness even is to begin with. So what they believe they see is a man high as a kite of his rocker claiming this and that. They believe their own state is ‘THE’ state. And because of their state what they see and perceive is so rigid it does just seem like a man babbling bullshit. A general lack of awareness and inexperience within someone own consciousness, and a closed mind doesn’t allow for the true message to reach them. Understandable why Leo has given up on such videos as great as they are

@Nahm You speak in riddles man???

Just watched this film called ‘free guy’. Came across it accidentally and thought I’d give a go. First 10 minutes I was sort of like ahh I’m not sure about this it could be a bit daft. But then it really started clicking and was very enjoyable. A good comedic side to it with good depth to the story. Reminded me of when leo uses the example of super mario. Worth a watch

Yea was miffed by that bit to be honest but really liked what was said proceeding that

Duly noted. Watched the first video there very impressed. Great share cheers??

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I’m not convinced. Genetics likely do play a roll to a certain degree. But through my experiences I find it much more to do with the power the ego. I find it reasonably easy to have awakenings on psychedelics. Some so deep I’ve thought well that’s that, there’s nothing left to do, it seemed absolutely complete, then I’d find myself next time round in an even deeper place. So what I thought was absolutely total, was not. Even though it seems that way. The nature of infinity I guess. Then sometimes I trip and wouldn’t class as awakening, just very deep insights but not totally surrendered. Anyway, point being, on one particular occasion which I’ll never forget, is when I’d totally surrendered, complete loss of ego, then observed my ego reconstruct itself. This was impossible to stop, I observed in sheer disbelief as my mind was reconstructing all its dualities, at mega speed, building upon one another, creating this ridiculously tightly nit construction that encased me. And there I was, back, completely absorbed as this character I see myself to be. Totally seeing and understanding how it had done it, but in no way able to deconstruct it once back in it as the trip wore down. Back, lost in it, but with a great inner understanding and respect for the ego construct. It’s so powerful. And in a sense that’s right, because the devil is extremely powerful, and that’s essentially what the ego is, that’s what the devil represents, but has been ludicrously misinterpreted. But the power of God can overcome it. Which when this happens is literally an awakening. Even though it’s all God but just for the purpose of this subject matter. Never at any point have I felt genetics will hold me back, or even help me prosper with awakening as such in ordinary everyday life, I personally feel it is power of the ego, it’s mesmerising construction to hold you in place within it, to deceive and delude, which is its purpose. A wonderful wonderful construct. Breaking that down, on a permanent basis is what holds people back in my opinion, something I feel nowhere near, but working on, much more than any genetic trait. Although I don’t disregard that some people’s genetics may be just set to make this much easier, but I can’t confirm

You’ve gotta realise ya know, that u have created the whole lot. One way I have come to understand what I’m up to is this. Imagine I gave you 1000 words. 1000 words, from hello to goodbye, and another 998 in between. In any order. And told you to write as many stories as possible using those 1000 words. You’d write one story, then the next, then the next, then the next, forever and ever, until all stories were written. That’s limited, it kind of seems infinite but you’ve actually only 1000 words so the amount of stories you could create, is in the end, finite. But imagine the amount of stories you could concoct with those 1000 words. More than you could ever believe. Now try to understand everything that could ever possibly exist. Mix all that up, the scenarios are absolutely infinite. There’s actually no way to shut it down, to close it up, it is what is is. That is what your doing right now. You have created an absolute mish mash of all that can ever possibly be and came up with your life, and your whole backstory of history and everything. And somehow, the Mechanics I’m not exactly sure of yet, but I have watched them in action, but I don’t quite know how it’s doing it. But it is what it is, you’ve made it up, and when you end this dream, you will be more than capable of creating something with a complete different history. No hitler, no Jesus, no Buddha, no none of that shit. Just anything, you can make anything up, so long as you believe it enough then you actually believe it! It’s so subconsciously set, that you truly do have to jail break your mind to realise what’s going on here. You have made up your whole life. All people, everything. And you’ll do it over and over again. Correct me if I’m wrong anyone??‍♂️

Well he said that was an advanced episode, advanced advanced advanced is the way he put it. He wasn’t wrong either, I actually had to watch it twice to try get myself fully aligned with his realisations. Took what I could from it conceptually, and tried to analyse and compare with awakenings of my own. It was deep, deeper than I’ve personally comprehended for myself as of yet. It certainly was advanced and much work and many more awakenings necessary I think to reveal such things

Sorry mate, this is just fucking hilarious ??? how do you people get yourselves into such situations? It’s just weak man. Weak! Fooling yourself into ridiculous situations. Nonsense

@Leo Gura ah yea I know I get that. What I meant was that for me to be ‘sane’ as in the normie sense of sane, a consistent persistent hallucination, that seems real day after day, is necessary. Rather than a schizophrenic like jarred hallucination which would be classed as ‘insane’ from the normie, ordinary state of consciousness life point of view. I understand that’s relative. But what I meant was that in a sense, god has literally got to become completely insane, to believe that all it’s hallucinations are absolutely real, for it then to seem from the relative point of view, as ‘sane’. So that’s what I mean, to be apparently ‘sane’ you have to actually be completely ‘insane’. Not sure I’ve communicated that correctly. Feels I have though as best I can. Please, tell me I’m babbling crap if u think I am???

@Leo Gura ? so to be ‘sane’ I’ve got to be completely ‘insane’ hahaha to believe that I’m sane. Very strange loopy. That’s great, I love it? its all so fucking clever it never ceases to amaze

Crazy. Although stories like these just seem to strengthen the position that life is total hallucination. Like @Soullee said it seems to alter the consistency of the dream type thing. Creating full on human beings and conversing with them, just adds more power to previous realisations I’ve had that in ordinary sober life I’m just talking to fucking nobody?. Only the consistency makes it seem like somebody. Also makes me myself seem like somebody, when infact I’m also hallucinating me being somebody. A complete mind game all round I guess

Just finished up on part 2. I’ve gotta say hats off to both. A lot of wisdom to be had from the discussion. A calm, relaxed, genuine, intelligent conversation. From my own perspective was easy to follow, although I understand that me being fully aware of the teachings, what they are and what they’re about, made what was being discussed very straightforward to me personally, where as confusion and objections would obviously be had by the majority of Curt’s audience without any experience of awakenings. What was great for me was the relaxed attitude from both parties. And seeing Curt’s mind opening in the moment, kind of in real time. One of my greatest joys is seeing a mind opening, as in somethings hitting a nail here, theres a barrier being penetrated. It’s like you can feel within yourself an expansion of another mind. I could see this happening with Curt. Both Leo and Curt seemed to do a bit of emptying of the soul, if that’s the right phrase to use, with the conversation being so genuine. It was great to see. At times it was almost like watching Curt in therapy as he contemplated with a little soul searching. You can tell that Curt will take a lot from the interview. And maybe one day take the plunge into the work himself. Hopefully his audience watched/watch on in a similar fashion. It was a pleasant watch, so again hats off to both, well done ??

Did it block your soul when you had your mmr vaccine as a kid? Or did it just stop you contracting measles mumps and rubella? Behave, quit ya nonsense and get a grip of yourself ??

Sort of like an absolute explosion of everything that can ever be at once. Anything and everything possible, superimposed onto itself. I’ve literally seen this, all faces in one place, all buildings in one place, everything that can ever be in one place. Superimposed. And when superimposed it’s both everything and nothing at the same time. That should be obvious. You can probably fuck about on a computer superimposing things onto each other that could give you a visual idea. But that aside, you seem to forget the infine intelligence of infinity. To be able to solidify one image over another. That is what you see. Your solidifying the image of what you see over what I see. Yet we are in the exact same place at the exact same time, as the same being, just solidifying one perspective over another type thing. That place is nowhere by the way, it just seems like somewhere. It’s so paradoxical, it’s so hard to communicate. In one state your seeing what your seeing, in another state your seeing what I’m seeing. There’s infinite states. Your one, I’m one. But there’s everything in between too, each state that’s represented every moment of your life, and mine, and every other. Put it this way, if you were able to replicate my exact state now as I am, through meditation or psychedelics or whatever, however, if you could replicate my exact state, you would literally become me now, typing this message, and you would never ever have known that you’ve been you. Infinity is ludicrous, unexplainable to the human mind. Just is what it is. And be sure you’ll experience every state that can ever be. But you just won’t know it, from each particular state. Until maybe there’s a higher state where you will know it. That state, being the God state. Then none of these states matter anyway??‍♂️. It’s a crazy crazy thing, a crazy no-thing. And as I always say, I’m still nowhere near. Otherwise I wouldn’t be sat here in this state I am now, typing this. This is a pretty good state by the way? I feel good, but I’m fully aware it’s majorly limited. Never mind haha

That was hilariously painful to watch? Dont do that again to me Leo? Just realised it was @Raze who originally posted that. Same goes, I don’t need shit like that in my life? seriously hahaha

This is actually really simple to conclude in an expanded enough state. If you get a photograph of Albert Einstein, say for instance up on your phone, you can absolutely realise your imagining your phone, including everything on it, including the photo your looking at of Albert Einstein. Therefore realising that you’ve completely imagined Einstein. The photograph is imaginary in the moment, was never actually taken in the past, in some other place at some other time, it’s just the layers of imagination built on top of each other in the moment type thing, create that solidified realism of Einstein. In every possible way you imagine Einstein to be. It’s pretty straightforward actually, but at the same time so shocking and difficult to unravel. Infact you don’t unravel it, it just unravels itself from a higher state. From this state, it’s almost impossible to see through, and that’s the point. But a lot easier to understand when in this state, once realised from a higher state

@Tim R Spot on. Not directly connected to this question, but I had a dream within a dream last night. I went to bed in the dream, fell asleep and astral projected from that supposed sleeping dream body, so became lucid as I knew was astral projecting, fucked about a bit went on some travels. Reawakened from the projection back into the dream body. Convinced it was real life, lost my lucidity and became wrapped up in the dream again convinced it was reality. Only then to awaken in my bed this morning into this reality. Gobsmacked I’d fallen for it. Then lay there for a few minutes gobsmacked at the fact I’m now falling for this too?. And still falling for it now as I type out this. As this is now what feels real. Previous awakenings enable me to know this is not the case. But I’m still locked in it because as Leo says, I’m imagining it so fucking hard. Out of ego’s control

The more I’ve thought about this book, the more of a near on impossible task it seems. I mean you can listen to a good audiobook that takes 14-15 hours to complete. That’s a decent sized pretty in depth book for most. Just watching 4 or 5 of Leo’s videos takes you to that sort of length. And 4 or 5 of Leo’s videos would not even scratch the surface of what I’d imagine he’d like to communicate through a book, as in no where near. He’s got hundreds of lengthy videos, and even still through them he’s so much more he wants to communicate. A satisfactory book I’d guess from his perspective to get across entirely what he wants to express would literally have to be like the fucking bible, longer probably. Or otherwise it’s likely to be missing so much of what he wants to write and communicate through it. That is some task for one man. Fair play if he pulls off a book that matches his standards of depth when it comes to this stuff. Id be thinking once he settles into seriously writing this thing he may very well take an extended break from releasing videos. Which would be totally understandable. I wouldn’t be expecting anything to soon I’ve a feeling it may take a very long time to execute it properly. Maybe it’ll happen in a series of books, rather than just one mega thing. That could possibly work. Who knows

That is terrifyingly interesting

It’s a difficult one this one I havnt quite grasped yet. To say POV suggests some form of thinking mind, which a rock clearly doesn’t have. So a rock isn’t just sat there on the road thinking I’m a rock. No sense of self, not a conscious agent. So in the sense we think of a POV that sentient beings have, a rock definitely doesn’t have one. But on the other hand, there’s a structure to a rock, it has an energetic structure to it, it’s made up of atoms, minerals or what have ya. So I would imagine that consciousness would have to take on that particular structure, from within. Therefore actually being a rock. The POV not being that of a knowing POV like a being, but of a particular feeling of energy type thing. Feeling seems like the wrong word. Like just some kind of condensed energy. But consciousness would have to be that rock, for the rock to be. I’m totally speculating here. Personally no experience but i have contemplated it. I’d suggest that those who have taken salvia may have more of an idea on this subject. A lot of them report becoming a particular object. Leo’s mentioned coffee table a lot in the past, and I saw someone on the forum a while back talking about becoming a Pepsi can?. So I’d guess there’s very likely something in it. Ive no doubt it’s discoverable though if you can go deep enough

I just sat on a plane, looking out the window for a couple of hours. And listened to Leo’s episode ‘what is truth’. Just sat there, listened. I’d forgotten how good that episode was. If you listen to that, and you get it in the moment, then this question you ask, doesn’t even become a question. That episode is a thing of beauty when taken in in the right moment. Wonderful