Spiral Wizard

I wonder what correlations we could draw between forum members who have children and those who do not.

In case anyone wants to know how, this is mastery of integration and requires learning to process pain & emotions.

Gold. Gold. Gold. GOLD! I'm starting to think @Leo Gura is a gold digger...

Visit Ashrams. Attend retreats. Go to very different events, like tantra workshops and good mainstream parties if available, connect with a bunch of people, ask if there are community WhatsApp groups. Also talk with people you usually would not talk with. Talk to natives. Go places you would not go to usually. Be curious. Don’t just skip around chasing for the quantity of experiences although that can be a valuable phase as well but actual growth happens in quality and depth. Go to the west of Koh Phangan in Thailand if you want the full digital nomads meets tantra hippies quantity of connections immersion experiance. Go alone into the Himalayas for the introspective, depth experiance. Brainstorm with GPT.

Sure!

I'm in a phase where a simple life of God, family, and farming are becoming really appealing.

Spot on. But this requires learning to process pain. Unfortunately, the vast majority of even spiritual people will never have the fortune of meeting someone who can guide them toward true pain processing, at the depth required to fully liberate all resistances.

Wisdom lies in recognizing that the highest realization is not about choosing solitude over socialization or vice versa—it is about being free in both. A fully integrated being can sit in deep solitude, blissfully immersed in God, and can also engage in lighthearted conversation without feeling it is "less than." There is no need to diminish either experience. If socialization feels shallow, it may be because it is being approached with resistance, judgment, or the mind’s desire for something “higher.” But a master can see the divine in every interaction, no matter how simple. The deepest realization does not reject the world; it sees through it and loves it anyway. Rather than arguing over which perspective is “superior,” the real inquiry is: Are we free? Are we free to be alone without loneliness? Are we free to be with others without resistance? Are we able to see that everything—solitude, socializing, silence, words—can be a doorway to Truth when approached with an open heart?

There are stages to this and the journey goes full circle or keeps spiraling into higher and higher levels of transcendence and integration. Monks & teenagers as @Leo Gura described them may be at a certain stage but it continues so don't get stuck and put one state of being onto a pedestal. My theory (informed by my experience and the experience of the most awakened guys I know) is this: Freedom is the movement of transcendence (up & out) & Love is the movement of descendence (inward, integrating, inclusive, whole) When we have built external abundance—through friendships, meaningful relationships, and fulfilling life experiences—there's a stage at which we start to realize that a deeper form of nourishment does not come from others but from ourselves & Self. This is where a shift happens: instead of looking outward for love, wisdom, validation, or support, we turn inward. We learn to fully meet our own needs, nurture ourselves with love and wisdom, and connect to the source of all abundance—our own being. This source is deeper than the heart, deeper than the soul—it is the source of our existence. At this stage, reliance on external validation or social stimulation diminishes. Relying on your Self becomes the purest form of freedom. People often misunderstand this as withdrawal or detachment from life. But it's not about rejecting the world—it's about no longer needing it in the same way. When you love being alone, you love yourself. And this is when the turning point where the purpose of True Freedom gets revealed. It's not a functional purpose but a transcendent and immanent purpose. When we have totally freed outselves, from all aversion & resistance to ANYTHING, even drama, pain, and people. We are FULLY FREE TO LOVE. My definition of Love is making the Ultimate Sacrifice of 'giving up' your transcendent freedom and VOLENTARILY descending back, turning back, to face the Pain of the world. That embrace is real compassion. It's becoming a channel for the highest light to descend back to the world. Unifying Heaven & Earth. The journey is not about retreating into solitude forever. It may be the midpoint of the journey. But it goes full circle. This is where true service and contribution really come into play because for the first time we are truly free to serve completely volentarily. Having freed yourself from external dependency, you are no longer taking—you are giving. Relationships are no longer based on need but on genuine love and pure generosity. Social interactions are no longer transactional but are instead expressions of your overflowing presence. Paradoxically, this is the stage where 'socialization' can become deeply meaningful again. Instead of being an attempt to fill a void, it becomes an opportunity to share wisdom, light, and love without depletion. You interact with others not because you need to but because you choose to. This is true freedom having gone full circle—not the rejection of socialization, not the clinging to it, but the ability to engage in it from a place of wholeness. It is the freedom to connect without attachment and to be alone without loneliness. Engaging fully in life, not out of need but out of pure creative expression. This is the path beyond both escapism and attachment. This is where life, solitude, and connection all merge into one seamless dance. Everything gets recontextualized into Pure Divinity.

What do you guys think about that? It seems deceptive when Bernie says "not one nickel of PAC money from the pharmaceutical industry, they came from workers." + talk over RFK to try to make him go silent & then, when RFK continues to press on the issue, Bernie admits to be "the single largest accepter of pharmaceutical dollars. $1.5 million." I thought I liked Bernie but this seems to be a big minus point for his integrity.

Wow, amazing! Your choice of words reminds me of LUCIALORN. They guide towards the highest stages of Enlightenment. Very unique as he talks from the perspective of being & pure divinity. If you desire to permanently shift there eventually, this may be the guide for you.

Solid video!

You may have awakened but based on your lifestyle it seems like you are not wholly integrated back into your humanity and society. Feel the resistance and essential pain. There may be something you are avoiding to be with and allow yourself to be with. See, based on your post, it seems like you are not totally fine with your current situation, or at least some part of you. Maybe the awakened part is at peace but another part senses that something is not quite right. Otherwise, why post and ask. So see what that part of yourself that is uncomfortable or in resistance to the situation is feeling. Regularly relax deeply for many hours. Lie down and allow. Disregard the thoughts, feel below them. Stay with that energy. Be in pure awareness of those sensations and don't shy away from any uncomfortableness or pain that may be rising to the surface.

@Thanks thanks! Great share.

@Leo Gura your post on leftist error is very interesting. "Welcome to real politics. Unconscious politics." struck me as in putting me back in touch with what is rather than what I hope for. That being said, it's not all doom and gloom. Consider studying more of the politics in Scandinavia for a counterbalance to the dumpster fire in the USA. We also have a right/populist uprising in Europe, specifically, Germany, France, UK, etc. but overall politics & society is a lot more sane there than in the USA. Also, what's the solution? And where does it start, right now?

Very true. However the common cause & solution of Self Deception is much simpler than this. Consider this pointer to the root problem so that you may refine & deepen your solution: it’s impossible to do Good or undo Self Deception until the ego is dissolved or in balance with being. I know you said this before but what is the ego and how to dissolve is the key difference. It’s not just about deconstruction on the mental/contemplative & consciousness level but also about dissolving its core on the emotional/pain/resistance level. This is both the residue/result (which is conditioning) of previous ego living stored in the body & also the cause of ego in the first place. Self deception is literally the natural result of ignorance. However, ignorance is not just a lack of education or contemplation. This is the mental level. However, as mentioned, there’s another level on which this definition applies: Ignorance also entails ignoring something. What are we essentially ignoring/avoiding/RESISTING? Of course, there is only one thing, essentially: pain. Pain in all of its forms: pain is usually some sort of thread to our survival, difficult situations, and reactions/resistance to that which turns into hate, anger, frustration, depression, sadness, grief, etc. etc. etc. Why is that? Because pain is the sensation of annahilation. Annahilation of our identity which is trying to survive. So we resist pain, which turns it into emotions, which stirr up thoughts, stories, and ideologies we cling to because these mental fixations are how we chronically realist/avoid/ignore facing the pain, leaving us in ignorance. This is also the very process that creates separation from the flow of life. Rending us incapable of aligning with the truth and doing Good. A mind will never be able to predict all of consequences and calculate what’s Good. It will also keep attracting self sabotaging & dysfunctional circumstances until the subconscious pain is processed. Only then will our subconscious even allow us to see the Truth/Good/Tao/Neutrality and naturally live it. So resistance to pain is the problem, it is ignorance, self deception & suffering. And processing pain is the solution, it is annahilation/death and results in rebirth/clarity/healing/oneness/liberation of greater energy & consciousness. This then natrurally elevates and raises our perspective, whereas beforehand it was an uphill battle, a fight against ourselves and others. A conflict, an opportunity to be with our pain and raise our consciousness until the conflict evaporates and resolves itself. Realigning us with what’s meant to be right now. That is True Good, bought to us not by our will but by our annahilation so that we may be neutrally/empty and serve as a channel for God to do Good through us. The significance and truth of this won’t be apparent until it’s experienced. Of course, the ego-mind will also play many tricks and not take this seriously or deny it to have us not come in contact with our annahilating pain. That is the nature and game of Self Deception. God Speed.

@Leo Gura do you mind responding to the main points I raised in the initial thread post? I don’t think your reply addressed those.

Most comments I saw are not positive towards Tom. Mostly criticism & jokes from below or more accurately from a more limited and probably less evolved perspective.

Here Tom flippantly said that there may only be humanity in the entire universe… Probably no aliens because the universe has enough souls/IUOC‘s with 9 billion humans and much more would not add much for its learning opportunities & purpose to grow into love… as if the universe had limited resources. Bruh?! Joe even called him out on it. Then Tom paddled back a bit. One comment said: too open minded and close minded at the same time lol I‘m really trying to give Tom the benefit of the doubt but he keeps on disappointing me. Of course, he may be referring to the LCS and not all of reality but then this is misleading, not well articulated and still unnecessarily limited. His theory is not holding up with my highest intuititions about the infinity of this universe and mystical beauty of this life. His teachings seem fairly dry to me and not that helpful to realizing the truth here and now. At the end of the day you‘ll want to free your mind from everything including his theory, I don’t see him point to that. That being said, it seems like an interesting intro for people that are very head-centered. And if that’s what it is, that’s fine. It may even contribute to revolutionizing science and help it catching up with the truth. If so, great work, I‘m pulling my hat for that.

On a recent community call, Peter Ralston joined and gave a Q&A. At the end, a lady asked how she could stop imagining or play with physical laws (like making a chair fly). Previously, Peter Ralston had explained how you haven’t really understood how you are creating/doing something until you can simply stop doing it. First, you learn this with physical movements, then with thoughts and emotions. It’s easy to understand how we are creating physical movement by moving our arm. It may also be understandable how we are ‘doing’ the movement of thoughts or emotions but it gets tricky with physical pain. He too explains how we are creating physical pain (like when you hit an hammer on your hand) and how to stop it in his books. Now where it gets really tricky and what he briefly talked about at the end of that community call is how to stop creating or even playing with physical laws. The woman said she could already stop thoughts and emotions on command but not physical laws. Peter hinted that it’s an issue of identity and that the woman would still make a distinction between her (self) and the physical world (other), subconsciously giving power away from her (self) to a projected other. The woman replied that she already perceives herself to be one with everything. Peter said that that she might perceive or see herself as one but there’s a difference between perceiving everything as one but still making a distinction between your human and the world vs completely eliminating that distinction and litterly there being no difference between moving your hand and your chair. He clarified that the key issue is that you can only stop creating or manipulating that which is self (even though there is no you) so as long as you don’t consider the chair to be equally self as your hand you still have a disempowering distinction. He concluded that she shall contemplate that and can play God for a while if she pleases so but that ultimately it doesn’t matter. The real result is not playing God but becoming as selfless as the chair you have become one with. A chair is a selfless tool, ready to serve its purpose, not complaining when a leg breaks off. That is where it’s at he said. I could share the call recording excerpt or transcript if you wanted to contemplate his exact words. I found this very inspiring independent of if it’s true or not. If it’s true however, it really goes to show how powerful our distinctions and direct Consciousness are. Let’s contemplate!

Anyone moved an object yet?

I learned how to do this. Learn how to process your pain. Easier said than done but extraordinary simple. Then these situations won’t contract but expand your consciousness and liberate you from keep on attracting them through subconscious self sabotaging patterns. Michael A. Singer’s book: The Untethered Soul is a good start.

During such awakenings you describe, some parts awaken, while others do not. Other, unintegrated parts resist, feel fear, and are terrified. This is totally natural if you understand how trauma and the psyche work. You are literally traumatizing yourself with your awakenings. Parts of your psyche are still a child. Not the mature adult you may identify with now. These are different parts. Now when the mature adult part takes psychedelic or meditates hard-core and has a crazy awakening the child in you is literally shocked, paralyzed, and traumatized. Another much more gentle and integrated way to not only wake up but fully liberate all parts, is not through pushing for an awakening with any technique or substance, but by simply dissolving into non-doing and from that awake & aware state of being, meeting/seeing/feeling/or being with any and everything that comes up. Meeting every thought, every desire, every resistance, every emotion, every anger, every sadness, every joy, every thrill, every opening, every revelation, every sadness, every despair, every grief, every story every high, every low, etc. A whole/holy/healthy way to organically grow and expand your consciousness is by balancing love/integration and wisdom/insight. It’s a tight rope, a subtle balance to strike, the further we go, the easier it is to fall from grace. Of course, this requires patience, which the mind does not have, but we can become aware of that dynamic and step out of it, process the essential pain of impatience and meet it dispassionately as any and everything that comes up as we dissolve and surrender to all of what is as it is. Then it truly transforms on its own by us (our resistance) getting out of the way. The way. The Tao. Gods way and will, not our own. Otherwise, we may skip ahead, and go outside of our ‘pay grade’ as Chris Bache said (a professor who did 73 high dose LSD trips), of course the the universe/we will slap our (own) wrist. Because our subconscious/unconscious knows. We may deny. In my experience awakenings are only as terrifying as they are unintegrated and we are not ready for them. Consider that one day you, all of you, may be ready for that insight/truth and then, it’s not a terrifying encounter, but the ultimate liberating freedom, a Love, relief, and meeting unimaginable. In the meantime, let’s meet this moment with the same kind of intensity and presence, so we don’t miss the very valuable lessons the infinite intelligence of Life has presented us right here, and right now.

@Leo Gura why no more comment function in the blog directly?

YESSS!!!