ZenAlex

Exactly this Leo. It's like scientology. Most of their supporters are fringe members who simply are used for their money and references, but their inner circle are the ones who receive the abuse, as they are the ones most brainwashed, financially and emotionally invested, and reliant on the cult, and therefore less likely to run and report anything. Teal will get a lot of rave reviews because her books and teachings probably help people, but the reality is she has made herself like a hero at the center of her teachings, she appears very superficial and has an inner sanctum of her most devoted followers segregated from society in a commune, who obviously experience things most of her fans will not. It may not be a cult, but it sure as hell looks likely. Intelligently organised cults will always help many people to give them an aura of validity. She probably has great insight into other people, but not everyone who has this understanding always wants to use it to help others more than they need to help themselves. Teal could be a great misunderstood spiritual teacher, but the evidence is piling up.

I've personally never been in a relationship, I am a schizoid. But sometimes when I see the impact it has on people and recognising the level of betrayal, I cannot help but feel a bit of hatred towards cheaters. Some of them literally just don't care. If they were just a teenager then I'd dismiss it as them being a dumb kid, but a fully grown adult however... If you're going to make a promise to someone, then keep it, otherwise why should anyone else trust you?

lol of course. Anyone who would say Teal is a cult leader is merely a stage orange programmed sheep. There's no other possibility. There's no evidence or reason, it's just she's just out there and different, and we just don't understand! Any cult will say the same. I'm accusing her of being a cult leader because how she often acts, the allegations against her, how she organises and sets her groups up, and how superficial she appears. All these things give me red flags. You can call me brainwashed all you want but you're just spinning a narrative that me and all those like me are just stage orange drones who think that all groups that venture outside the norm MUST be cults is a bit manipulative of you to be honest.

I never said it was just based on a documentary, did I? Read my posts. I cannot prove 100% that she is. But it's the way she organises her community, having little congregations of her most "loyal" followers, appearing very superficial, and also the allegations against her from ex-followers. But the reality is, in some cases unless you appear to have a 100% understanding of guru/leaders works/books/writings etc, they'll just "then what ground do you have to stand on to judge her behaviour". It's typical cult bullshit. They'll create their own bibles of fucked up shit, that they are familiar with more than anyone else, and when you are not familiar with all of it, they'll tell you that "you just don't understand". So basically these cult leader types will get away with a lot because anyone who sees the fucked up behaviour "just doesn't understand", and will respond to you with made up jibberish from their teachings which will overwhelm you and make you feel uncertain of yourself, and they and their followers will be like "aha, see, you have no clue what you're talking about!!". Boohoo, our group and our leader are just so misunderstood.. And yet the outcome is often the same. Ex members left in terrible shape, abuse, and obviously cult like behaviour, and when it's questioned, you bet you the followers will be prepared with pre-ordained responses, ready to spew you with their groups crap to overwhelm you and defend their behaviour as "enlightened" behaviour that most people just can't understand. It;s the same shit, over and over and over and over and over again! It's the exact same fucking tactics!

I see. So some of her teachings worked for you, so it's impossible that's she's a cult leader, it's impossible that all the accusations against her have any merit, because you believe you've "verified the quality of her mind". Wow. This is LITERALLY what any member of a cult could likely say. Maybe she has good insights, but sometimes those who understand higher than most people don't actually have any desire to help others, so will use their teachings to increase their chances of getting away with their schemes. It's often how cults operate. They often do understand mental health better than most, but use it to THEIR advantage, not anyone elses. But they need to sell it to you, and therefore are willing to prove enough results to get you hooked.

"Is it possible they don't understand her?". Sounds like a very desperate way to try and defend her at this point. You could literally say this about anyone. It's what many cult followers say about their leaders and their group activities when they're being exposed "they're just too beyond you to understand". Is it possible that Teal is innocent? Maybe, but the evidence is really piling up. Having a little congregation/commune set up with a select few of her deepest followers where very specific and extreme practices are happening, many ex-followers speaking out against her, and now this documentary. In regards to the doc - It either proves further she's a cult leader, or proves how stupid she is for allowing this documentary to be made in the first place. If she and her followers are aware at how "totally not ready the normies are to understand us", why the fuck would she allow a documentary crew in? She's either a cult leader, stupid or both. Probably both.

I see. So if you're not going to take the video evidence then, what about all of the ex-members speaking out against her about what they went through? Are they all just bitter? The teachings are just too high for them? They're jealous? Misogynistic? Is every single person speaking out against her just part of a big conspiracy against her? If you look at the comments on her videos you'll see comments, one of which I posted, from even people labelling themselves a teal follower, who has massive issues with some of the things she is doing. She my post previously. Sorry but too much of the evidence just screams cult, and you're not even bothering to look at the evidence, you're just like "it's probably bullshit propaganda, I can tell".

I highly doubt any of you have even watched her responses or the documentaries in detail, you've all probably just seen that she's responded, and have faith that "well its teal, she must have debunked everything". Even @integral proved in their posts that they didn't even watch the docs before assuming it was some stage orange attack against her, before "skim watching" and assuming "nah actually lol it was stage green shit". I don't get the impression than any of you have actually looked into this in detail, you're assuming she's just being unfairly attacked, and there's a vendetta against her. I'm not saying she's not at all being unfairly attacked, as I've said above, at the very least she's either a cult leader that is continuously getting exposed, or she's a fool to have allowed that documentary to happen, or both. Maybe there's some unfairness towards her, but there's also likely cult shit going on about her. It's NOT just the documentaries, it's many ex-members speaking out also. Are we just going to assume it's all just a collaborative effort to bring her down... just because this world is just not ready for her? LOL.

There are 4 episodes. I'm not talking about 1 particular episode. Here's a post from one of her followers who actually likes Teal, which was made on one her videos defending herself -

At the end of the day I'm surprised she allowed there to be a documentary in the first place. If her and her followers are that bothered about her works being misunderstood, why the fuck would you allow some crew to come in and do one? I personally believe she is a cult leader, but on the off chance she's just misunderstood, then allowing a documentary crew in to your HQ with all your most devout followers sounds like a bad idea. Considering how choosy she's been at times with who interviews her, you'd have thought she'd make sure the doc crew would be on the same page as her. As many of the commenters on reddit have said, maybe her desire for attention/narcissism got the better of her here. It's either a documentary that simply exposes her or she was a fool to allow to happen in the first place.

Sorry you're defensive. At the end of the day it's not just about the documentary, what about all the people that used to be part of her congregation, knew her personally and expose her for the messed up stuff she does? Are they are lying? All just misunderstanding her behaviour? All jealous and trying to tear her down? And I don't consider Leo and Teal the same. Teal is a self professed spiritual teacher, has her own IRL congregation and has been accused of far worse things than Leo has.

Sorry if you're attached to her. You probably wont want to ever admit it because she means something to you and has probably helped you. I don't think you should be ok with her because she helped some people. Most cults do help others to a certain degree, they need to to be successful.

Watch the documentary.

So are you saying people who are cheated on should consider themselves to blame? You do realise that some people will cheat simply because they have options right? It's not always due to unmet needs, it's down to one person or two simply having more options.

I love how people make this point about worrying about nutritional deficiencies while being vegan, as if the average person would have a clue about nutrition whether they be a vegan, vegetarian or meat eater. Have you looked at the average person? Do you think the average person is meeting all of their nutritional requirements? You need to know what you're doing regardless of whether or not you are vegan. Most people aren't healthy vegan, veggie or meat eater.

world health organisations.

You have literally no idea what you're talking about. You people literally don't do a shred of research, and just look a cases like these of deficient vegans and assume veganism is to blame. You're right, you didn't create the rules, and you are wrong. And people's personal choices can impact their health. There is LITERALLY a plant based on option for everything the body needs. I don't know how to explain it more clearer than that.

I've been vegan for over 6 years. I'm not deficient. You can literally meet all of your needs as a vegan, however, if you are living in a country where plant based foods are limited, then I understand it may be a necessity for you. I probably wouldn't have gone vegan 20 years ago. If there environment allows it though, veganism isn't that hard.

No it isn't. You do realise people can go deficient because of their own poor choices right? The guy has an obvious anti-vegan agenda, and is just looking for particular vegans who have gone deficient on their lifestyles. You can literally do this on any lifestyle. Search for people who are unhealthy and say it's the lifestyle that's wrong, but no, it's their own personal choices!!

I think the main problem is that disrespect bothers you so much. Get over yourself. You're not entitled to respect.

Why did you have to go on a rant before you left? "Hey guys, I'm leaving, but first I'm gonna tell you how much this place sucks" No one cares, just leave.

Did she give you permission to check her phone? If not, then I have no sympathy for you. That's pathetic. Get professional help because you're breaking boundaries for no good reason and causing others harm because of your issues.

Caffeine is also responsible for a lot of mental health problems. Be careful. In my country one of the first things they ask for when you go for therapy is - "do you drink coffee, tea, energy drinks with caffeine?. It increases cortisol. My anxiety has improved well since avoiding caffeine.

I find when I stop playing video games, watching TV regularly, watching porn, and watching videos online, after about 1-2 weeks after I stop doing this, I feel much better. I have less anxiety, less depression etc. I focus now on - Research, investigation, hiking, music, sport. Even if I just use these things for 2 hours a day or something, it makes me feel worse. I will only watch an occasional movie/sporting event now when I really care about it.

So basically experience your way into learning?