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been contemplating this as I’ve been unwell recently, and as post awakening the fear of death doesn’t plague me anymore. I guess it’s more the fear of being un well, feeling like crap all the time, as well all know how that feels. Then on a more positive note it’s the want to feel amazing, feel healthy, energetic l, vibrant and full of life to go and live the best life possible Being Ill/ un well sucks, so I can’t imagine what it’s like living with a permanent illness or more serious illness

From the absolute perspective: It is the mind that is not present during sleep, Consciousness is ever present and is all, therefore simply cannot disappear. Why do you think many love sleep so much? It is one of the only times they get to experience their true nature. I know when I felt depressed in the past, sleep was my favourite activity as it gave me a rest from the mind. https://non-duality.rupertspira.com/read/deep_sleep_anaesthesia_and_death_202

@Inliytened1 Yeah, I basically agree it goes deeper than No Self, but don’t mean that in a belittling way at all. All I mean is duality, ego, non duality, spirituality all don’t matter, all concepts, it literally is just THIS as it is, now. Therefore, the Ego is seen through and is no longer a problem as you said, yet you can still live as a unique human being. Non Duality= Duality. Non duality is like a medicine for duality, once you’re no longer sick do you keep taking the medicine? Nope, you drop it all and get on with life. THIS is it, right now.

@Nahm @VeganAwake yeah, as I said investigate and you will find NOTHING there, no self, no ego, just thoughts, feelings, sensations and experiences as they are. Howver, I’m just trying to illustrate it’s okay to have hobbies, interests, a career etc, basically it’s okay to still live as a unique human, even though you know yourself to literally be The Self, and know The Self to be all there is, therefore nothing else can exist. In terms of a “non dual” explanation you could say it is awareness merely experiencing itself through the unique essence of each human. Lila in play, Shakti in motion etc, god playing with himself, many ways of phrasing it for basically saying- You still have a human experience post awakening, still have a personality, an enneagram type, a career, a family, a body, relationships but KNOW yourself to be The Self alone.

@Consilience This is essentially what I mean, survival of the human goes on post awakening, and there is still a unique human essence, personality that if anything flourishes more post awakening. You become more YOU on a human level. the knowing has of course shifted and you live as the big self, or whatever you want to call it, but to say you aren’t a Living a human experience just isn’t true. You will continue to have a personality, likes/dislikes, preferences on a range of things, Movies you like etc etc you get my point. you know yourself as the big self, and live as this through a unique human vessel, yet everyone is You simultaneously. So you are literally one with all, yet a unique being at the same time, that’s the point I’m trying to illustrate, ego is the wrong word. Individuality on a human level continues is what I’m trying to say. Otherwise, everyone would literally be avatars with no diffeeences whatsoever.

If you wanna go vegan and build muscle more than possible. 2 guys on YouTube to check out Jon Venus and Brian Turner, both began “bodybuilders” but not competitive.

@28 cm unbuffed I currently eat 2 as I'm 'cutting' but when I'm trying to build muscle and put on weight again I'll go up to 3, but without any snacks, or snacks with the meals, and will stick to 16:8 probably. I think as we get older 30-40+ 2 meals a day is sufficient, of course make sure the meals contain everything you need nutritionally, but this way you aren't constantly stressing your digestive system, so effectively the body can regenerate. And, yeah I have, I've heard it can be awesome, just isn't for me right now, have you tried it?

@Flowerfaeiry I definitely see your point. But, I also think it’s more the fear of being dead while being alive. Many even Middle Aged people today have such an unhealthy lifestyle and look/ feel crap, personally I don’t want that. When you’re young you’re lucky, but for me, optimising health makes me feel 100x better in my body, and even mentally it has been shown, so I think as society evolves health and wellness will become much more central to our society. Health, Fitness and Wellness is certainly essential to living the best life possible, like the foundation everything else is built on.

@Average Investor Intermittent Fasting is fucking awesome, especially if you want to lose weight, not sure why the norm is to eat 3-6 meals a day (bodybuilders) but IF just simplifies eating so much.

@cetus56 key point, talk a “normal” person about Meditation they will talk about reduced anxiety and stress, whereas here the direction is very different. @modmyth wdym by 3 phases of Enlightenment?

@Raptorsin7 Investigate who is the “I” you’re trying to improve, investigate where the thoughts come from and where they go to, as well as the emotions Also, Every moment is merely a chance to be here and now, you don’t have to meditate to be here and now because every moment is a meditation, but of course formal meditation can help. I would also say don’t resist your thoughts and emotions, instead embrace them and welcome them, love them as you would your child and investigate them to find out their source.

@Unjigorjigor yeah as I said Ego = wrong word really. And, plus it’s always The Absolute/ Awareness that takes care of everything anyways, yet we do still exist as a unique human being, maybe Transcendental Individuality is a better term.

@VeganAwake Yeah as we mentioned Ego is never the right word, it’s better to say you continue to exist as a unique human being until you die, BUT know yourself to NOT actually be that and be The Self.

@SoonHei Ramana always says it best?

@modmyth hmmm maybe not controversial but I thought many would have let's say objections, I often think it's more of a language thing and how certain terms are used and people use them differently. I guess it's because when Non-Dual teachers say 'There is nobody there' (which is true) people then start to deny their humanity, and ignore the human side of awakening. The scariest story I heard was a teacher saying the 'highest spiritual state' is having no thoughts or feelings and basically being numbed out, aka becoming a narcissist. So, I thought I'd make a post that it's okay to have feelings, thoughts, be a human and have a personality and be a unique being, while also KNOWING you aren't The Ego and when you investigate you will never find anyone there. It's so delicate and hard to explain, but in essence, it means you get to be a human and know you are The Self. @Consilience Thank you mate

The Best way I have heard to phrase some of these issues- 'It has the form and function of ego but not the substance and reality.' That basically summarises what I said, maybe I should've just wrote that lol. Also in terms of what changes, everything is seen to have 'Infinite precious value' no matter what arises, the 'ordinary' becomes the extraordinary so to speak, and every moment is a spontaneous joy, it is like duality and awareness merge in one fantastic blow and they are seen to be exactly the same thing, again hard to put into words. I've also seen the term 'Transcendental Individuality' which kind of helps explain how having a unique human personality and being a human, yet KNOWING you are Natural Pure Awareness/ The Absolute. You get to have your cake and eat it Yes, you can know yourself and BE natural pure awareness, yet retain your sense of being a person and having a unique human identity and a full personality, meaning you can do whatever you wish and enjoy life like never before. There is nobody like you in this world, Yet you are all that exists, do you see why it's near impossible to write about this?# You become more human than before, not less and it is more than beautiful, in fact the beauty is indescribable.

@VeganAwake Well it’s like a challenge so most of the major restaurants and pubs are jumping in on its fun! haha If you, your wife and 3 kids can fit in my room then why not ??? also, I’ve always wondered, what’s awakening like in terms of having a family? I have a girlfriend but kids and a family is a whole different ballgame, like how do you approach parenting knowing your Kids are you, yet when they’re causing havoc, definitely something I want in the future also!

“Rupert: Awakening is the realisation that what we are, that is, the Awareness that is seeing these words and experiencing whatever else is being experienced at this and every moment, is neither limited nor located. This realisation does not happen to a body or a mind. It happens to itself, Awareness. Yes, until this realisation, we believe that what we are is a limited and separate entity located in and as a body. With this belief and subsequent feeling, our true nature seems to be veiled, just as a screen seems to be veiled by the appearance of an image on it. With this apparent veiling of our true nature, the peace, happiness and love that are inherent in it seemed to be lost. From that moment on the apparent entity is condemned to search in the apparent separate world for peace, happiness and love. The recognition of our true nature brings this search to an end and reveals itself as the peace, happiness and love that seemed to have been lost. The feeling ‘at that moment’ has no objective qualities. It is more like a falling away. Have you ever felt love for someone? Of course, yes. What does that feel like? I do not mean to ask about the effect it has on the mind or the body, but the love itself. Are we not lost for words if we try to find it as an object, let alone describe it? But we know beyond all doubt that it is present and real. Do not look for awakening in any kind of objective experience of the mind or the body. If you want to look for any signs, look in the direction of peace, happiness and love. Yes, my view of the world changed completely. First of all it became clear that the world appears in me. Later it became clear that the world is made of me, that is, made of Awareness. And then it became clear that experience and Awareness are simply ‘not two.’ The realignment of the mind and the body with this clear seeing takes time and varies from case to case. “

Meaningless is the greatest gift of all, as it completely frees YOU up to do what YOU want to. You create your own life’s meaning and you get to decide how you want to live it, post awakening these “desires” will come from love and a place of higher consciousness, so you won’t hurt people for example, but that doesn’t mean you can’t create financial freedom, have an abundance of sexual partners or do whatever you want.

Just sit with it mate, it is not easy unfortunately, but Learning to be with and completely embrace EVERY thought and emotion is a key part of this journey. I know exactly what you mean, I used to find sitting with sadness, or that feeling of lack so difficult, the paradox is when you fully accept it, you allow the feeling to flourish, have its dance and pass through you, you fully feel it and let it go. Im not going to lie and say it’s easy, but whenever it arises allow it to be just as it is, with complete acceptance. Think of yourself as a guest house to your thoughts and emotions, treat them all with love and kindness, how you’d treat a guest if you owned a guesthouse

@Inliytened1 Thank you, I appreciate that

@cetus56 thank you for sharing that, as I said LOCs, RASA I merely use them as suggestions as it it whats worked for me, I can’t really comment on Psyches as I have minimal experience, but if that is someone’s path and it’s working I’m happy for them. At the end of the day it’s all about truth and happiness, and luckily realization of the self kills 2 birds with 1 stone ? (@VeganAwake don’t worry I’d never actually kill a bird, also Vegan my friend, in fact it’s “Veganuary” over here in the UK?) And, yes everything, in every moment is perfect as it is no matter what is happening, life is unfolding perfectly in every moment. And, since there is only Now, nothing has ever really happened, just THIS.

@Gneh Onebar haha I know what you mean, but even 2-3 years was like hell to me, also didn’t help I had a B12 deficiency through part of it which added to the depression ? Youll eventually drop all the minds stories, along with the I-thought, which is at the centre of the entanglement of the mind. And, then, when you realize there’s no mind, thoughts and emotions and sensations will happen, but not to anyone as such, just in THIS, I mean it’ll feel like it’s happening to someone, but when you investigate the centre of these thoughts and emotions all that is there is Natural Pure Awareness. And, as you accept everything that arises, thoughts or emotions are no longer a problem to you, just clouds in the beautiful Sky of awareness, and guess what? Since all is The Absolute, thoughts and emotions are part of that too? @VeganAwake Exactly, no I-thought left, just THIS as it is, in all of its glory and perfection. Ignorance is bliss as a seeker, but I wouldn’t trade this in for the world if it meant going back to the old way of being Pre-Awakening, nothing can beat the spontaneous joy of being.

@VeganAwake and the truth goes far deeper than a realization of No Self?

@Inliytened1 lol. @VeganAwake by your logic anyone that does anything is from Ego. I don’t care about LOCs, I merely use it as a model, and I’m just trying to point out awakening goes deeper then Eckhart, Parsons, Fred etc, Not all awakenings are the same depth, and the recent posts are trying to illustrate “life after awakening.” I have not once said there is a me or a you, all there is is The Self. but it often comes across you subtly reject the human experience, and believe if one wants to live a normal life this is somehow ego. not all motivation and desire comes from the same place, not all are Ego, wanting to receive for the self alone is of course ego. by your definition Leo creating Actualized.org is spiritual ego, and any teacher wanting to help people is ego, you’re basically defining everything as ego. In terms of enlightenment I don’t disagree with you. To me Enlightenment is the realisation of The Self/ awarensss/ the absolute being all there is, and then a complete acceptance of whatever arises without any resistance to the Now. but as I said there isn’t just 1 awakening and there’s depths to this work, self realised masters like Rupert and Nisgardatta often talk about “stages” of understanding. And, I asked are you telling me if someone calls your name you won’t turn around and do you have no desire at all then?