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@electroBeam Thanks for the explanation, that makes more sense. I guess it's because they're held in such a pedestal on here, that's why I felt like that. But, I do believe they're a very useful tool P.S. I would say why not also have a teacher help you and Psychedelics, wouldn't that be like going to the gym and using steroids in some cases Just some food for thought.

@Leo Gura This is so true, once you realize love is all there is, and The Self is literally everything, why would you want millions to needlessly suffer when they don't have to. I really hope Bernie wins, our progressive candidate got fucked by a nationalist movement and we will be under this government for 10 years I reckon, and the Labour party now are doubting being that progressive and want to go back to more Centrist-Left which would be a shame. Bernie could really spearhead a movement, but are we ready for that level of development? Will their be too much resistance that pulls us further back down the spiral after 4-8 years? Also, how can people (regular people not like interested in personal growth) actually start to grow beyond selfishness, as the education system is so flawed, it's almost dumb luck stumbling into Non-Duality and Personal Development work, the majority couldn't give a toss.

@Johnny5 I know you were generalizing but just to clear up any confusion OP may have. @Mongu9719 Thoughts and Feelings still continue post-awakening, however, there is no I-Thought they get attached to, so there is no resistance to them and no 'stickiness' to emotions and thoughts, they flow like a river. They rise in awareness, do their thing, and go again. Normally we get entangled in our thoughts and feelings and identify with them. Investigate who is at the center of these thoughts and feelings, is anyone actually there or is just spaciousness? The mind is then used as a tool similar to a laptop, when you're doing your taxes and planning a trip the mind is useful and helpful, when you don't need it you simply don't use it, just like when you finish using a laptop you turn it off.

@dvdas I do agree, it seems to produce peak experiences, but like you said I don't know enough to comment myself. I would be more interested to know how it effects people on a moment by moment and day by day basis after these trips. The integration so to speak. These amazing awakening stories are great, but if the trips aren't integrated and your 'baseline' Consciousness/ Happiness/ Peace etc isn't increasing then aren't you missing the most important part. But, I could also be wrong and maybe some on here do have lasting awakenings from Psyches, I personally just prefer the absolute sense of peace and happiness over lots of peak experiences. My first MDMA roll showed me true love, and speared me on to take spirituality a lot further and quit dabbling, so they can be incredibly useful tools. But, as @Johnny5 it seems people expect them to do everything for them without actually doing the work and going through the hard stuff that nobody wants to admit is involved. However, more research is going into these compounds on their healing effects, even over here in the UK which is awesome and will be interesting to see, although I think it's a much lower dose than what people take or more 'awakening' trips. Dr Rosalind Watts and Professor Nutt (I know) are two main researchers over here in the UK. Would also be interesting to see the long term effects of regular use on Mental Health/ Brain Health etc, unless that's already been studied. Before, my first awakening I was depressed on and off for 2 years at the breakdown of My Sense of separate self, and trying to understand all of this conceptually. It's called the 'Dark Night of The Soul' and it can be fucking dark. But, the lasting light at the end of it is worth it more than anything else. I think it was Shinzen Young who said he would rather live one day knowing the truth about his being, rather than 100 days in his old way (typical life) of being. I think that shows the incredible depth of this work

@TheAvatarState I liked your comment, on the varying levels of consciousness. I would add that everyone is The Absolute, yet many just aren't conscious of this yet. As Rupert says 'Each of us now is essentially the light of pure being, in some cases this being is still veiled by X, Y and Z. I have no sense of being an enlightened person. Just the nature of my being is clear to me.' 'I don't feel that I'm an enlightened person, I don't see any unenlightened people. I see all these beings, that in some cases beings is veiled by a veneer of thoughts, feelings etc, hence why we do these contemplations, meditations and conversations.' From this video- Francis Lucille- 'One is always in the absolute state, knowingly or unknowingly, for there is nothing else. To be in the absolute state means to be happy, content and at peace without the slightest restriction. What is said here is to be understood experientially and not theoretically.' How could it be any other way? All there is, is The Absolute.

@Nahm Yep, we're going down a very John Lennon path here! (Someone who lived their purpose but died way too young ) But, I completely get you, and we will get there one day, whether in our lifetimes or not, that's another question. @VeganAwake @electroBeam For as smart as Hawking was, he had his flaws. He also said we are computers that shut down when we die and that's it, seems a very materialist POV, amazing scientist nonetheless! I see both sides, AI is basically a tool, in the wrong hands it could wreak havoc, in the right hands it could develop humanity immensely. Maybe, it'll get dystopic before Utopic- who knows

@JonasVE12 That sounds fucking awesome man, I also go 3 days a week, but get nowhere near the volume, it's very Minimalist I don't like jumping ship so I'll keep this up for at least the year, but 5x5 is defo something I want to look into. Although I have slight lower back issues so may need to get them addressed if I am to start doing heavy deadlifts 3x per week, and when I'm playing my sport in summer it could be overkill. @Arcangelo Sorry I'm a noob, MTB and BTK? Laundry sounds awesome That's what I meant about Low-Level throughout the day, everyone can do some jumping jacks when the coffee is brewing or some mountain climbers in between Netflix episodes- no excuses @Soulbass Awesome. @Gili Trawangan Using Non-Duality as an excuse, I'll let you off @Preety_India What @Arcangelo said, even daily 10 minute walks will help, start small and gradually build up @DrewNows Good vid man, excess dopamine is no joke! And, I get you, everyone has different focuses. I personally believe some form of routine is great without becoming completely Anal about it. Like if you only workout 'when you feel like it' you probs won't get very far, but if you make it a habit that you hit the gym 3x a week, you'll go regardless. However, proper eating and rest and you'll usually get addicted to exercise so it won't take that much discipline Like I like to have a structure for Work and Working out usually, for me it just helps me stay focused and know what I'm doing, I've found without it I can easily get distracted especially when working.

@TrynaBeTurquoise Yep I'll happily admit I still want to look good- 'OMG EGO!!' I think it's natural to do so, but like you said a lot of women don't even like the bodybuilding look, so if you're in it for that, go learn conscious game and social skills! And, taking a more holistic approach improves many other areas of your health and fitness, and focusing on exercise you enjoy = way more fulfilment. Like if I stopped enjoying weight training, I'd find something else because that's not sustainable at all. Enjoyment is such a big piece of the pie many forget, and talk about the grind/hustle etc, but training is meant to be fun in my eyes. And looool, if you have a second look at his latest smoothie video, shit you not there's like 20+ ingredients in there, he said all in all per smoothie you're looking at like $8-10 but is open about it. Obviously ridiculously healthy though.

@TrynaBeTurquoise Awesome man, thanks for the detailed reply. I think I remember checking out the podcast on Intuitive eating you linked a while back. Sounds awesome, I feel the transition for purely training for gains, to overall health and wellbeing is a huge step as it really makes you go down the rabbit hole. Ben greenfield is fucking shredded for his age as well, that reminds me I need to get my Tabatas in today!

@GreenWoods To me it just seems like you're trying to make some sort of equation or science out of behavior post-awakening which I don't think is really possible. Can I ask; have you had an awakening? And do you 'live in Non-Duality'? Basically, that's a fancy way of saying are you stabilized in absolute Peace and Happiness and have you recognized the truth of your being. When you truly awaken to love and realize The Absolute/Self is all that exists, and you abide and live the understanding, yes you will of course act from a place of love and truth. This is why I don't believe people like Mooji/ Betinho have had full awakenings, how could you manipulate and abuse Women sexually if you know you're only abusing yourself. I also see your point about Veganism, but I'm not sure many Non-Dual teachers have actually investigated this deeply, so could genuinely be ignorant about it. The Separate Entity doesn't exist so it's not a matter of whether free will exists, the question doesn't need to be asked. From the point of view of a separate self it SEEMS we have Free-Will, so if you add a belief, 'There's no Free-Will' that's just another belief, not the truth based on an investigation into your own being. You could say all is God's will or The Absolutes will. People often wonder well how do I take action if there is no Free-Will or No Entity, well you now actually have The Universe/Absolute as the power behind your actions, not merely a separate self that didn't ever exist to begin with. If by Altruistic, you mean the more loving you become in general then yes. But, love isn't simply just donating all your money and feeding the poor, it can be, but doesn't HAVE to be. Holding the door open for someone is love, treating all others as if they are your very self is love, even these simple acts are acts of love, it doesn't have to be grand gestures and huge donations. I really wish I could link you a Satsang but it's paid content and I'm not allowed, I might PM you the link and it's down to you if you wanna purchase it. Love has no end to how deep it can go, God=Love=Consciousness, love is literally reality. Teachers who haven't had an awakening into love haven't gone deep enough. However, awakening doesn't mean you have to live a life of poverty or donate all of your money, as I have said you can be awakened and manifest your dream 'life' simultaneously, and act more loving. You don't have to choose Wealth (or any other form of 'Worldly Success') or Awakening, @Nahm has a thread on this I believe. My best piece of advice would be stop creating beliefs and idealizations of how Awakened beings have to act and behave, have true, deep awakenings, Realize the nature of your being and the nature of reality, Abide as that understanding and then find out yourself. Also remember, this understanding is expressed uniquely in each being, as each body/mind is unique, while we are simultaneously all one. Another fun paradox. I posted this on another thread, and it may help

@JonasVE12 Bro that's insane, how many days are you in the Gym?

@mandyjw I agree. What are you feeling pulled towards out of interest? @Nahm Yep! Anyone doing what they love, in a way that benefits and inspires others to pursue what they love is doing a selfless act, whether they know it or not! People think AI taking jobs is so terrible, but to me it allows for the jobs that nobody wants to be done for us, so we are free to explore our true passions and purpose. @VeganAwake <3 Yes man! I loved that story, it's similar to a billionaire donating millions, only to have his name on the plaque of the new hospital! Compared to the guy doing it out of love and to genuinely help the community The motivation behind it is key! I like to use sports examples as that's one of my passions. The guy wanting to be the best footballer in the world for the money, status and recognition it brings. Compared to the guy wanting to be the best footballer he can be, help his team the most, all because he loves and enjoys the game so much and wants to help his team as much as possible! (Same could be said for the coach wanting to solely win for his own ego, and the coach wanting to improve his team as much as possible and become the best and win for the enjoyment of it) One coming from an egoic agenda, one coming from love and understanding and joy. I could go on and on and on

@TrynaBeTurquoise This is the approach I'm trying to go down, currently shedding excess fat from a few years of Bulking/ Cutting as I used to be incredibly skinny. So, now do you just Train with the aim of improving strength and then keep your calories/ amount you eat the same all year to maintain a low BF and steadily build muscle?

@Leo Gura was this full awakening during a trip, and how has it effected Day-To-Day life?

@mandyjw Glad it helped This understanding can be expressed beautifully in so many ways. Rupert's an amazing teacher, to me, the 'best' Western embodiment of this understanding, as is his teacher Francis. What also helped me relate to them, was how 'Normal' they are. I love Ramana and Nisgardatta but it can sometimes be hard to relate as they Eastern Gurus, from Eastern Traditions of the last century, Rupert is a western teacher in modern times who has a Wife, Child and lives in the UK, very relatable

https://non-duality.rupertspira.com/watch/what-is-the-right-job-to-do

@Gili Trawangan Time to add in some more maybe? @Shiva99 Awesome. Training for anything like a race?

There is no such thing as an Enlightened person, how can a person become enlightened when all there is is The Absolute/ Natural Pure Awareness/ The Self. Awareness simply recognizes itself. Also, teachers/ awakened beings don't NEED people to awaken, but they can see the suffering in so-called 'others' (Themselves), and from a place of Love wish to assist others in ending their suffering. However, you can't Awaken someone, you can assist in their journey and 'help' but in reality, teachers are there to help on someone's journey. Anyone who says they are an 'Enlightened Person' still have a LONG way to go until full realizsation. This video from 8 Mins in covers this so well 'We are all the light of this being, in some cases, it is veiled by our own thoughts and feelings.' 'I see you all as The One light of being. I don't have a mission to enlighten anybody.' Rupert is amazing 'I have no sense of being an 'Enlightened Person', the nature of my being is just clear to me.' 'In some cases, being is still veiled more or less thinly by a veneer of thoughts and feelings. Hence the need for these retreats, meditations, contemplations and conversations.' Everyone is The Self/ The Absolute/ God/ Love whatever you want to call it, but many just don't recognize this or know this consciously yet. If I was to emulate a teacher, Rupert is the perfect embodiment of this understanding. However, I feel working 1-1 with 'Students' can help them realize the light of their own being in an easier manner, as we always forget each person has a unique path, with unique questions and stumbling blocks on the path to Self-Realization and noticing their own being. I will always be in debt to my teacher, I remember 'getting it' and just smiling on the Skype call, realizing This is it, it was a beautiful 'experience.'

@electroBeam This is probably the best thing I've seen you post on here! Well said! I'd also add to look deeply inside yourself and find out what YOU want from life, don't just do what some teacher told you to do, we are all unique individuals who want different things, some people want to be hermits in Tibet, some want to only work 24/7, some want to be Poly and have 4 GFs at one time like I said It's completely up to you.

Please don't do this every day for the rest of your life, fasting is amazing but overdoing it is also unhelpful.

@Aaron p I think so ?

@VeganAwake I’m just gonna leave it here, people evolve at their own rate, and I Cba to have an “I’m more awake than you debate” or “prove” that I’m liberated or whatever, All that matters to me is the realization of the self has occurred and an absolute sense of peace and happiness is always here, I’m happy and if I’m not enlightened by Neo-Advaita standards I can live with that. I was just trying to point out the dangerous spiritual bypassing you are promoting, as if I was a confused seeker, that would not help me at all, it’s a common trap. Id also be very careful when relatively speaking about Life Purpose and saying it’s pointless when the owner of this forum sells a course around LP lol. He also covers now purpose is actually meaningless and what this actually means, and it doesn’t render it useless at all. It instead gives you complete freedom. Maybe Leo can articulate it better than I can! the fact that you say the term spiritual bypassing is irrelevant says it all really, I think I’ll leave it there. And of course man, I wish nothing but peace and love your way

Good post man, love how you mentioned we still experience emotional pain post awakening and still have emotions, without the added dimension of an I-Thought which leads to suffering. Ramesh was one of my teachers Ramaji’s original gurus and was the original guy who helped facilitate his awakening, sounds like an awesome teacher

@VeganAwake I get you, but how would relatively speaking, anything ever progress with this mindset? Everything is perfect, and nothing needs to be done, yes! But does that mean we should just let wars carry on, people starve and people live in poverty etc? Sorry, but I will never be on board with using The Absolute as a form of Spiritual Bypassing. From The Absolute perspective I 100% agree with you- Everything is perfect as it is! But, then let's say you're homeless, would you just never fix it? If you're overweight would you not go and lose weight? Do you see my point, I'm speaking from a 'Relative' perspective. And, I wasn't talking about coming from a place of lack or Ego, more Post-Awakening once one is at peace, happy and fulfilled and then felt as if they wanted to devote their life or participate in humanitarian work, maybe that's their LP, my points before were we're FREE to do as we choose post-awakening, I think we're on similar lines, in terms of not needing to do anything at all to be Fulfilled, but if someone chooses to, I'm sorry I don't agree that's coming from lack. I think motivation/ Desire can come from different places, and it may simply come from a place of love to want to help people, and not from a place of Ego. But, of course, at the same time, it could come from a place of Spiritual Ego, it completely depends! Another example closer to your heart might be Spiritual Teachers, truly awakened ones aren't doing it from a place of Ego and wanting to save people or redeem them, but from a place of love and wanting to help people awaken. Is Tony Parsons acting from a place of Ego? Was Ramana Maharshi etc? I'll be honest, you'll say this is just ego, but I often feel you sometimes come from a place of Spiritual Bypassing, and use awakening as an excuse not to act in certain areas of life as it's 'Ego.' Maybe I'm wrong, and I'm open to being wrong, but that's just the vibe I get, and it's the same vibe I get from Neo-Advaitans as well. Everything is perfect as it is, and THIS as it is is completely perfect as it is, where only The Absolute exists. But, on a relative level, if people are starving, wars are going on, Corona Viruses are spreading (!) then action needs to be taken. Or, on a personal level you lose your job, or you are overweight and have health issues, then that is what is happening NOW in THIS and you aren't going to just leave it are you? This short passage slightly explains what I mean- 'As October's tune-up, I have decided to write about the joy of Presence and being Present. Seekers and even awakened persons have the belief from somewhere that you have to become present in order to experience Presence. In fact, the opposite is true! We ARE Presence. The more we recognize this Presence that we are, the more Present we become. This process can be effortless even exhilarating. What you see is that the effort of “trying to become present” masks the obvious – we are Presence now! We are fully experiencing our Feeling of Being here and now. Without the pure Sense of Existing, nothing else is possible! Life begins with Presence. No need to look for it. You cannot avoid it! Now, let’s ask why it matters? Why does being Present in the Now matters? First of all, this knowingness automatically brings us into our bodies and into our immediate experience. However, for many people, the “real now right now” in their life is unpleasant. Then the need for habitual mental escape surfaces. Anything that looks remotely painful or unpleasant or ugly gets rejected without a second look. However, as we emphasize over and over, YOU CANNOT GO ANYWHERE! So when you deny and attempt to escape your “Real Now Here” you end up in a phony “nowhere land.” In fact, you have not escaped at all. Instead, you have become, in the immortal words of Pink Floyd, “comfortably numb.” You cannot attempt to escape life as it is moment after moment day after day and then expect to feel fully and wonderfully alive. This is called “spiritual bypassing.” It simply does not work! The sooner you lovingly approve, accept and embrace your arisings just as they are in this moment, the sooner you will in actuality transcend them truly and completely. THE WAY IS THROUGH! Move towards what you are afraid of. You will discover it is just a shadow! This being Present as Presence – fully approving of what is as it is now – is the key to unlocking and allowing the all-important shift from the small struggling “I am little separate me” into the vast, vibrant and increasingly awake sense of who we really ARE! Presence is that which is 100% okay with THIS! Listen now as I repeat our message. It is that important! What are we saying? We are saying that you WILL have to move towards, into and through WHATEVER experience life is presenting you right now in this moment and in your life as a whole. This is regardless of the positive, negative or neutral meaning that you may be giving it. In fact, the meaning that you are giving your experience IS the value that you are going to get from it. YOU create the meaning of your experiences! When you gently remind yourself to simply BE with whatever comes up, when you allow simple awareness of the emotional state you are in, Presence will become obvious! Am I happy? Am I sad? Do I know what I feel? Most do not know what their existential now feeling IS! Our conditioning has created an internal false judgment system which assumes that our now experience is NOT okay. It is flawed or broken or not good enough. What is now is not okay. Therefore, just being with WHAT IS now is not okay either! When we let this BS go, when we are finally able to allow, approve, embrace and just be with it... whatever it is... this is when the shift may occur! We will naturally become aware of our vastness. This leads to the natural interconnected knowing of the great love that we are too. Love, Interconnectedness, Presence then become more that mere words! The sweetness of the moment AS IT IS can now surface effortlessly! It creates the knowingness of that inner freedom to arise within us. At first one may get glimpses. The more this is practiced, the more it opens up to us. This is why I work so hard on the actual existential daily activity in my students lives. I want to draw attention to what IS going on vs. the various meaningless concepts we accumulate. This is why I often bring the focus to your character and your tendencies and your Enneagram type. My goal is to make sure that nothing is swept under the carpet. To make sure that all will be exposed. Nothing will remain hidden. This is the way to elevate, release, and embrace your super-intelligent exquisite Big Self in an authentic deeply integrated and very real life positive spiritual awakening!'

@VeganAwake It's a miracle I'm agreeing with you! However, if someone feels called to humanitarian work, I feel 10000% go for it, but to force it to be 'spiritual' like you said doesn't resonate well with me. Everyone's path is different and everyone expresses love, truth and beauty in their own way THANK YOU for the last line, money is neutral, it's simply energy! It's the motivation and action behind it that means it has become associated with so many negative meanings and projections. Most of us likely have some unhealthy beliefs around money, unless we were lucky enough to be brought up where money wasn't ever an issue and abundance/ energy mindsets were taught...which I imagine is rare!