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@Globalcollective I've noticed the same things, hence why I don't think Leo is one of the most awakened guys of all time. Nowhere near. @fridjonk I guess it depends on what you love to do, and how you wish to express this understanding. I am not saying you shouldn't go explore all of those realms if you wish too, after all awakening is complete freedom and allows us complete freedom to do as we wish, that's my point. More we don't HAVE to do anything if you feel called to do that and that's what you love to do go for it. It's essentially what Leo does. I personally do not feel the need to explore those through Psychedelics at all, maybe one day I will, who knows, if it's your desire to do that, then by all means go ahead, but it doesn't mean everyone else has to. Like I said, there's infinite ways to express infinity, each body/mind will have their unique way of doing this And, each body/mind will love (seemingly) different things, therefore, in my view, this is how it should be expressed, there is no 'right' way to express it, if for you it's through more trips exploring different facets of awakening and creation, go for it. Beautiful point in the next post <3 (P.S. You also answered your previous questions by saying that) I also, wanted to add, since my last awakening to The Absolute/ The Self, there has been no need to 'seek' anything further, it is more like a final arrival, the final absolute peace, and happiness. If I didn't come on here or have aspirations to teach I wouldn't even have a need to really think about this really, I would simply live life expressing this understanding in all realms of experience.

@Nahm Yep, all coming from a place of love. One could write a series of novels, for example, that express, love, joy a great story..and that is their way of expressing this. The greatest power in this 'world' is love when we act from a place of love, we are expressing the truth. Love is literally the substance of reality, and when we tap into this love....wow. Imagine businesses built on this principle, and sports teams and fans expressing love after the games instead of fighting, long way to go Also, good point on the psyches, you're right! I just meant in terms of it being a 'higher' choice, As long as it is coming from a place of love, joy and to help people I'm all for it. I'm getting a bit new agey now so I'll stop! Speaking of new age hippies....who expressed love in his music.... @Inliytened1 Yes, yes, yes. I couldn't agree more. That's all I'm asking for is some warnings, as I know as a 17 year old confused seeker I would basically do what any teacher I trusted, so say that was Leo, I'd try to start tripping. You could argue that's my own fault for being ignorant and naive, but young people are, that's my point. Just go to a rave and you'll see people as young as like 14 popping pills and even the older ones popping wayyyyy too many. My points are more about harm reduction. I've had friends who have had seizures from drugs, and some end up in mental hospitals after tripping, that's why I advocate for responsible use and harm reduction.

@Johnny5 Fucking thank you. I'm glad people are starting to notice this. @SBB4746 Great post! Look no further than Bentino Massano and Mooji for this because they're so enlightened they don't see the wrong in harming or abusing others...sexually or however else. They're not the doer and they're so enlightened so no issue right? People keep thinking I'm some psychedelic hater, I'm not If you want to read about this in more detail - http://www.kheper.net/topics/gurus/inflation.html http://www.kheper.net/topics/gurus/IMZ_guru.html Reading these articles really helped me understand this issue.

@fridjonk No, I would say you embody and express this teaching in the best way that suits you, of course, everything is different, while simultaneously it's the very same world. I'm not saying to live out your life like you've 'made it', more express The Absolute in all realms of your life, as well as abiding from a place of Love as your guiding force. Whether that means to become a Spiritual Teacher, or an Athlete or a Coffee Shop worker expressing this understanding, that's for each individual to decide what suits them best. Sounds to me like maybe you just want an excuse to keep getting those highs I'm only playing, but when you realize EVERYTHING is God, including this laptop I'm typing on and the cup my tea is in you're always experiencing God, so by living life, quite frankly you're God expressing God. Non-Duality = Duality. There is no boundary. It's all The Self, All THIS, All here. To me that's the most extraordinary thing possible. Everything is literally God, nothing exists except God, and God created a system that works perfectly. The ordinary becomes extraordinary. @Inliytened1 I got you. I think realizing the self, and an awakening to love would be a great first step for humanity first though But, seriously I understand your point. Mine was more in regard to endless trips as a means of facilitating awakening.

@Visionary I get you, I've never tried shrooms but Dr Rosalind Watts among others are using them with great effect for healing depression & Anxiety I believe, like I said not opposed to Psyches at all. Yes, my teacher also said when abused Psyches can mess with your energy system in ways you described and I was receiving transmissions so never bothered tripping at the same time as it also wasn't recommended. I'm glad you're feeling better man! Just out of curiosity what are you using shrooms for nowadays? And yes, like I said they can give amazing insights, it's the endless seeking that concerns me, if you're completely at peace and absolutely happy, and know the truth of your own being as well as reality, what is the need to keep going? Isn't that just continuous seeking for the sake of it? @Space Okay, I am merely acting on the side of caution as nobody else here does, especially for younger people like me. Our brains don't stop developing until we are 25, why risk it before then? When you're Leo's age go-ahead do as you please, my worry is younger people than me watch his videos and come on this forum, even me 2 years ago would've tried to get on this if I heard what Leo says today. All I'm asking is he warns young people that there COULD be side effects/ damage that is all. I'm NOT saying there will be in all cases. Of course, lots of factors go into it, and I'm not saying Leo or others will develop issues, but it also happened to the Hippies of the 60s who abused Acid as they didn't know about the 2 week tolerance rule, integration, dosage etc. I'm more saying be careful, I might sound like a boring old man, but at the end of the day we're talking about the most powerful hallucinogenic on Earth (or one of) that people have been known to die or have issues from- not a bad thing to practice harm reduction. @fridjonk To me that just sounds like endless seeking, and the seeker excusing it forever. THIS is it, why do you need to keep going to different dimensions once you have realized the truth of your own being, surely there comes a point to put the drugs down, and face THIS sober and as it is, and actually integrate the trips? @Lento That's the issue. It's not as much of an instant 'high' as Psyches will give you. I understand as when I was a seeker I also wanted to escape reality, not go deeper into it. I can defo see the allure of Psychedelics in this context. Eventually they will come back to THIS, but you're right I feel like I'm banging my head against a brick wall. Seekers love seeking, until they find, then they will be in awe about how it was so obvious all along. I have an addictive personality so get the appeal of highs, believe me, but honestly, Absolute peace and happiness trumps any high, any day of the week.

@fridjonk I'm afraid I couldn't disagree more with the Leo comment, but as I said we can agree to disagree Yeah Alan Watts did have Alcohol issues, that was a huge shame, however, he was undoubtedly awakened. Yes a lot of masters do have these issues, as does Leo, although one that didn't have many was Ramana, also people like Rupert and Francis seem to have very little. I am also not disputing psychedelics have incredible healing and awakening potential for insights and deepening awakenings, I was just amazed how you could comment what you did about psychedelics but you've retracted it now. The thing is, to me it doesn't even seem like Leo has stabilised in the I-I, that's what I'm saying. It just seems like it's trip after trip after trip, needing more and more awakenings. Realizing The Self = Knowing God. It doesn't matter what word you want to use for it. Like I said, I'm open minded about the power of Psychedelics, in my own journey I have 0 reason to currently use them, unless deeper shadow issues appear, but I am intrigued to see how it plays out in the long run with Leo and Martin Ball and guys that are heavily using. Again, definitely not denying the healing power of these Plant Medicines, more that you made out a genuine awakening could only be had on Psyches. Can I ask, what has your journey so far been like out of interest?

@Inliytened1 Sorry man I wasn't meaning to reference to you at all, I know you had an awakening via meditation, and I agree he went about it in a way that wasn't the best! My point was more about I would like a more balanced discussion on Psyches, that's all

@fridjonk We can agree to disagree. I mean most people here use psychedelics, I see a lot of trip reports, but not many awakened beings around here By your logic, Martin Ball and Leo should be the 2 most awakened guys of all time then? I'm not denying the power of Psyches, but they give you insights and can of course help on your path, but you'll always have to come back to THIS and can't trip forever. As Alan Watts said, 'Once you get the message hang up the phone!' Always end up back here. Here, Now, This. Isn't that the point of Psychedelics to help give you insights and awakenings that actually are embodied, not just highs for 8 hours? @Martin123 Mate there's no point, you literally can't address concerns with Psychedelics here.

@fridjonk It goes deeper than realizing Infinity, Absolute Love, The Absolute and that the world is merely The Self and that like is a dream and we are simply natural pure awareness? I better try and revive Ramana and Nisgardatta to tell them that information, they will be glad to hear. Jokes aside, I'm not saying it doesn't go incredibly deep, but do you not think it's slightly naive to think Leo is the only ever person who's attained the deepest awakenings just because he uses Psychedelics? Has he even embodied these awakening into stabilisation of Non-Duality in a moment-by-moment basis, that is what I'm interested in

@Cudin I have also heard various other teachers and people say this, I don't quite think it's a cult yet, but I can see people's concerns from the outside. Can you explain further why you think this?

I also don't resonate deeply with the Psychedelic path, I'm only 20 dn't think tripping every week would be great for me, our brains develop until 25. I would really recommend those on here under 25 to be careful with Psychedelic, and any drug use, I'll probably get backlash for this but I would go as far to say we really shouldn't be regularly taking Psyches this young, especially not powerful ones. Leo, is a fully grown adult though, he can do what he wants with his life, and you don't have to follow him after all. Although, I would say maybe ask people's age and mental health background before recommending trips. However, I respect Leo's decision for going down this path and that is his teachings, we have to remember this is his forum, it does seem a bit Cultish to ban people for disagreeing, but it's a fine line and a very hard one to censor speech and let people get away with crap, so I understand that also. If you don't like the path Leo is going down, find another teacher you resonate with, who embodies this understanding and go as deep as you can with that. That's what I did and it transformed my life, you don't have to follow Leo, or take Psychedelics, plenty of awakened beings who done it ALL sober, and imo have realized the truth of their own being in the deepest possible way. @ttm I liked that analogy about doping, as it also warns people of the side effects. @Visionary Please can you explain the issues my faced, I have a friend in the midst of LSD excessive use, so it could be helpful, thank you. @Mongu9719 Your point early on about excessive use and Martin Ball was something I also worry about for Leo, but he's a smart guy and it's up to him to take his own path, if he wants to go down this road, then after warning him there's not much you can really do tbh, can you link Martin Ball's FB page, I heard he had issues but couldn't find them anywhere. Like you, I'm not denying the potency and power of these substances, more wary of the long term side effects and issues that could come with excessive and consistent use. 2 years is very little time to understand how this use could effect someone, I'm interested to see how Leo materializes over the next 5-10+ years once he stops using these substances, and if it has any effects on his body/mind/ mental health etc. I'm also, of course, intrigued to see what kind of long term/ day-to-day effects it has on awakening, to me the peaks are great and interesting stories but if it isn't a moment by moment experience then it surely isn't of as much value But, as I said before, there's plenty of fully Self-Realized teachers out there who truly embody the teachings, if you don't resonate with Leo, I would recommend finding someone you can resonate with.

@BETGR164128 I have 1000MG Vitamin C capsules but they're absorbic Acid, I'll get the other kind!

@Visionary It's common in an early awakening to experience No-Self and Non-Doership, it's just Non-Doership without an awakening to love can never be the final answer, Charles Manson has very Non-Doership quotes, but clearly had no awakening to love...

@Mongu9719 genuinely I love health and fitness, can you please show this reaearch that shows we can prevent/ reverse ageing and live a lot longer. Personally would rather not have to deal with the effects of ageing or at least minimise them

@Mongu9719 I literally asked you to show the research that shows this, no need to be a dick in response. If you make claims that we can live forever etc, then I’d like to see the research please. also, as I said it doesn’t really effect spirituality or your journey much, just means you get a longer and better experience in this vehicle, what’s bad about that?

Agree, but good luck explaining that to people on here ?

This video isn't necessarily about Neo-Advaita, but more about 'Halfway' teachings, that only give half the story. This is commonly known as: The path of exclusion, Neti-Neti, The Void etc and is a remarkable breakthrough, and is often essential to take a step back from the world to realize ourself as Natural Pure Awareness, and our true being. But, many seem to end there, and think suddenly Life in terms of the world is just over. This is why Traditional Indian/ Eastern teachings always felt very unnatural to me, things like forced Cellibacy (can occur naturally, whole other conversation), the denial of life general just felt incomplete. You could call that the 'Inward' part of the path, which is ESSENTIAL as I said, but far from complete. The next 'step' so to speak, is to then go back out in the so called world, with this understanding of our true being, and live this understanding in life- Relationships, Work, Activities, Thoughts and Feelings. Anyone can be at peace alone in their room, that isn't that much of a true 'test' of an awakening, as Ram Dass (RIP <3) said- 'If you think you're enlightened, go and spend a week with your parents.' It's of course a joke but illustrates this point well. I feel many fall into this trap of demonizing the world, body etc and simply Crystalise here. Integrating and expressing this outward path is most commonly seen in the Tantric approach, where the World, Body and Mind are actually embraced instead of denied. It is also happening a lot more in the West as Westerners merge their love of the world, with this true understanding of their own being. Once you know your true being, the world is no longer something that needs to be denied or run from, it can instead be a vehicle and an expression of this true understanding is the most beautiful ways possible. It gives us complete freedom to express this understanding in all realms of experience, and is the final peace and joy that is meant for us. Non-Duality= Duality. I think this video is a great example of this, and explains this well. Rupert says it better than I ever could

@Preety_India yes that’s exactly my point! I LOVE Ramana, but at the end of the day he lived in a diaper on a mountain and was celibate all his life, yet his teachings are as pure as it gets, that was just his way of expressing this understanding. Whereas, Ruperts way is his way etc, I regard Nisgardatta and Ramana as the 2 greatest wages of the 20th Century, they are amazing, yet Nisgardatta sold Cigarettes and slept with prostitutes after his wife passed away, I probably won’t integrate them parts ?

@Preety_India Yes, sorry if I didn’t mention it enough but the cultural issues are very very true, I think Rupert mentioned it in his video, but sorry if I didn’t make that clear, it’s a very cultural thing, although I think that’s also one of the benefits of the teaching coming over to the west potentially, as it allows it to flourish in life. However, this was prevalent in Tantric traditions way before. It was more about pointing out the life denying teachings that made it seem like you HAD to deny life, but like you said it is complete freedom to do as you wish whether that’s meditate in a cave or have a family. I have great respect for eastern teachings, and often quote Ramana and always say how amazing him and Nisgardatta are, sorry if I offended that was the last thing I was trying to do

HUGE Rupert fan! back when I was a hardcore seeker I was obsessed with him for months! I think I watched like every YouTube clip and read most of his books ? you’re certainly following the right kind of people, Rupert has certainly realised the true nature of his being, an incredible teacher also! However, I ended up working 1-1 with another teacher, as he so popular he doesn’t really do that, and his retreats are usually quite full and expensive, an amazing teacher none the less and his explanations are often beautiful!

@Mongu9719 Can you share these findings? It's great that we will be able to live longer! I don't think it's possible to never die, but who knows I could be very wrong. Plus, Impermanence will still be very prevalent, this moment right now is unique and impermanent, it will pass, if you live longer you'll have more 'Moments' but that doesn't change the fundamental truth of reality, Everything is always here and always now!

@BETGR164128 Through normal ingestion or using it how?

@BETGR164128 Aside from what you recommended, is there any other uses of it?

@Nahm Very Zen!

@Nahm Thanks man, Hope you're good and I'm sure you're giving your students the complete teaching in your sessions! @jimwell Yes, I worked with my teacher for 9 months, I've written a lot about that and RASA on here already so won't go into that. I only talk from direct experience regarding awakening, it's why I don't recommend Psyces as I've hardly done them, and just simply point out the dangers of young people doing them/ doing them excessively. (Not that they can't be amazing and incredibly effective, and of course very healing) Conceptual understanding does literally 0 in terms of your own experience, I conceptually understood I was 'Natural Pure Awareness' for ages before ever experientially understanding it. Even before awakening, teachings around Cellibacy and Denial never sat well with me, kind of like 'there's still something missing' and I'm glad I followed that feeling and didn't just begin denying life, Celibacy, and denial of sexuality doesn't tend to work well at 18! You are doing the right thing by not parroting, that won't help you or anyone else, what it seems like you need is a direct experience of the truth of you being. I would recommend either starting with a Natural Pure Awareness Meditation or a True Self-Inquiry practice. These will help you realize and experience the unshakeable silence and truth of your own being, but it won't be all sunshine and rainbows to begin with. As I briefly said in my post, the Inward path is necessary for most people, To separate themselves as Awareness from Things/Objects/World etc, it seems that would be the first step for you, to realize this. So, before worrying about expressing this understanding and the Tantric/Outward path, focus on truly investigating and realizing the true nature of one's being. If you ever need any help, or are confused feel free to message me, the main purpose for me coming onto forum is to try and help people, as I know how confusing and downright shit being a confused seeker can be. I remember the days of overthinking these issues until I gave myself headaches, or watching Non-Duality videos for hours upon hours on end, reading book after book. Always remember, only You can truly find the truth, teachings are meant as pointers and helpers, but it is always down to you to find the truth of your own being. Have a great day!