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@fridjonk Well, then there's also semantics here at play. It seems to me what you're talking about here is deep awakening experiences and I agree during awakening these things happen, and it can often take time to then integrate back into life after this. And, yeah all words are rendered useless, everything is, however, we're having a discussion on an online forum so not sure what else we can use, I constantly say the highest teaching is in silence as The Absolute is pure silence, to speak it is to already make some sort of concession. There is just THIS. However, I am merely talking about the integration of Self-Realization in terms of expressing and living this understanding in life. In my experience, there is still a Personality, Interests, An Enneagram type, etc If that's not your experience then it's not, I'm not denying it's all imaginary, It's all The Self, It's All THIS, that's as far as words can go really, that's why they are just pointers. I never said Ramana or Nisgardatta knew something I didn't everything they 'knew' is within me, just like it's within you, they aren't special or authority, in fact true awakening humbles you and makes you realise there is NO hierarchy, we are all The Self, so there is no superiority of becoming 'Enlightened' in fact Enlightenment, Spirituality, Non-Duality etc All concepts that have their function but ultimately THIS is the truth. Sorry if me quoting others made you think I think there is some form of Authority, that couldn't be further from the truth. Simply, they are beings who have fully recognized the truth of their own being. Anyways, we're going back and forth a lot here, and I'm not sure we are achieving much! In summary- THIS IS ITTTTTTTT.

@Harikrishnan Yeah I posted Ramana, and yeah he's probably sitting on that as some sort of message, as he's next to a westerner, although I don't know the origins of that exact photo. However, the Buddha also had a similar situation, where a piece of meat landed on his disciple's plate randomly, and despite the Buddha teaching against animal slaughtering for food in that scenario, he allowed it as he didn't want the Monk to reject what the Universe had given him. To me, I see unless you HAVE to eat meat, there is no need to, it is an act of killing another sentient being for your pleasure. It is not in accordance with the teaching of Non-Violence, or realizing The Self is ALL, so why would you want to harm another being unless you HAD to? There are countless examples of great sages being vegetarian- Buddha, Ramana, Sadhguru, Francis Lucille, Rupert Spira etc I already quoted Ramana so won't do so again, there would've been a reason he sat on that, his whole life was dedication to the practice of Non-Violence and Equality for all sentient beings Like I said I even disagree with my own teachers on this who I am constantly recommending on here, to me consuming animal products is not in line with expressing this understanding, it's not to say you can't be an awakened meat-eater, of course you can, I just think there really is ZERO need to consume animal products in 2020 unless you have reasons you can't be healthy on a plant-based diet.

This is like saying why is Peace and Happiness a 'good' thing? Awaken and then see what Consciousness truly is!

@VeganAwake Same! For my age and considering I run an online business I'm such a tech noob lol, Go to Account setting and it's there mate!

@VeganAwake Yes, like the quote below my name says

@VeganAwake What he is saying is that when people don't have this understanding it SEEMS like things matter. Just like when people don't have this understanding it SEEMS like there is a separate self, there isn't of course but if you ask a normal person, they BELIEVE they have a separate me, even though they are too The Self, they just aren't conscious of it. And, yes, self-realization is like moving to a new city, you still have to learn where everything is and where the best restaurants and everything else is though! I do agree he could've phrased that slightly better though, I felt the video was slightly cut a tad short

This whole discussion Francis answers in 5 mins: If you Truly understand, absolutely, that nothing matters, you have found what Truly matters so it isn’t a problem for you.” (Happiness!!!!)

@VeganAwake Yes! Spontaneous action based on whatever arises, I don’t know what will arise tomorrow, but honestly I’m not bothered as NOW is so amazing and to be embraced fully, without any resistance what so ever. And, great point about suffering, after seeing through the separate self, emotions and thoughts no longer have a “me” to latch on to, they simply flow through awareness with no resistance. However, in my experience you feel emotions even more deeply, but simultaneously let them go once they have been felt. Without a “me” there is no stickiness.

@fridjonk That’s where I’d strongly disagree. It’s not the “ego” who wants to do these things, as to me Ego implies an identification with the body/mind. It is merely God wishing to express the peace and happiness in action. They are not “my desires” but Gods desires, and post awakening God still wants you to embrace your humanity and your individuality as a human. Nisgardatta had a wife and a family, and shouted at his students for example. why? Because he was an Enneagram 8 and embraced his own humanity. Whereas Ramana was very peaceful and more passive, why? Because he was an Enneagram 9 and embracing his humanity. ALL The Self, ALL unique expressions of this. I AM THAT means embracing your humanity to, but you simultaneously know who you truly are. it’s a great Paradox, and really is near impossible to put in words, but experientially is the greatest joy. In earlier awakenings I also felt the “lack” of not truly being able to express my humanity, and reading life denying books really scared me if I’m honest. But, it is the most amazing gift of all basking in Non-Dual freedom day in day out, while also, expressing the playful uniqueness of my humanity, it’s getting my cake and eating it too! I’ve had this conversation with people before, Action does not Always equal ego at all. In fact, awakening actually frees you up to take more action, without resistance, and now knowing who you truly are instead of believing you are a separate self in a big scary world. You’re God wanting to experience itself in the play of shiva. And, you have the power of God/ The Absolute!

@LfcCharlie4 I meant in order to be happy and at peace from the absolute perspective of The Self/ The Absolute. In terms of why do anything else: 1) Practical/ Survival Reasons- E.g. Eating, Drinking, Earning money 2) Expression of happiness, peace, love and joy- seeing friends for the fun of it, exercising for the joy (and health of the body!), coming on the forum for the joy of it etc Sorry if I wasn’t clear I can see how that came across tbf ? All I meant was Peace/Happiness is inherent in The Self/ Awareness, and as a result there is no need to do anything to obtain Peace/Happiness. Simply the desire to express it in all areas of life.

@Nahm okay okay ? Just because I’ve heard people on here saying they “need” that in my experience, after realising the truth of your own being, nothing is needed, and then we are free to essentially do what we want as you said- sorry if I’m being too much on the point ?

@Mikael89 this is an amazing quote from a great teacher in Adyashanti. he puts it so beautifully!

@fridjonk Well I'm glad then, and I wish you nothing but happiness and peace after all isn't that what we are all after? The truth of our own being, abidance as The Absolute, the truth about reality and then the ever-expanding expansion and expression of this in our own lives and in all areas of lives. If I haven't already said this, I'm not denying the expansion and expression of this understanding in our own lives, for that work of course never ends until we die! I'm merely saying the 'seeking' aspect does come to an end where you arrive at the absolute joy of The Absolute. You arrive at THIS! And, it's fucking beautiful and magnificent! Well technically we were always THIS, we just simply weren't conscious as the quote below my name says. Love

@fridjonk Let's just agree to disagree, who knows maybe when I'm 25 ( ) I'll have the desire to try them, but right now I have 0! Yes I completely agree all of human history is simply God/The Absolute playing with himself, where most humans were not conscious of themselves as God hence all the turmoil we see, to me that isn't that radical at this point, I've heard it from various sources. After all if all is God, everything that has ever happened was done by God lost in his own creation? I'm not denying Leo goes incredibly deep in these trips, but honestly, the majority of teachers I recommend also talk about the stuff he does. You have to remember Psychedelics are very intense so make the insights seem more radical than they are due to the intensity of these trips. This means you can have these deep awakenings faster, but there's never any escaping the integration work! Plus at this point, being absolutely happy and at peace, knowing the truth of my own being and reality, the only way I can see it going deeper is in the human dimension through expression and integration but who knows!

@fridjonk You do know everything I'm saying comes from direct experience right? I'm not speaking conceptually. I am very intrigued to see where Leo goes in 5-10 years, I broke down his most recent video, showing how all of his teachings are that of the great masters, which is amazing, it just isn't unique. It's just his path is unique, and like I said I have ZERO issue with Psyches when used responsibly @Beginner Mind Exactly what I and every Self-Realized teacher out there is trying to say.

@dvdas I know, but genuinely I've been talking to several people about this, and It's actually worrying how freely drug use is advocated here. I'm literally linking scientific evidence of the danger to our brains and apparently that's just fear? And, exactly, saying 'it always goes deeper' to me just shows a lack of understanding, yes in the human dimension we can always embody deeper, however there is an END to seeking. That end is Absolute peace and happiness. @fridjonk No I didn't stop in my tracks, I had many awakenings and while there was still an inch of seeking I kept going, knowing it wasn't the final answer to which I was after, until seeking literally ended. It was like an explosion, the realization it had always been in front of me, right here, right now, The Self. That was a drop in the wind comment, you are always your own Guru. No, it doesn't the teaching literally is very simple, it's the mind that wants to make it complex. I'm not saying embodiment doesn't take 'time' and work, bit simply put THIS isn't complex, that's the cosmic joke. Yes, it's relatively proven scientifically our brains don't stop developing until we are 25, if you want to go ahead and risk that, then do it, but you shouldn't be recommending this to others if they're under 25. My friend ended up in a mental hospital twice after 2 LSD trips as he kept seeing his dead Father afterward. Nobody wants to speak about the dangers of these drugs when used irresponsibly. @Inliytened1 I am not talking about conceptual understanding but experiential understanding and experiential absolute peace and happiness like I keep saying. What could be conceptual about abiding with absolute peace and happiness? I have no issues with people exploring consciousness, my point is you can fully Self-Realize without the use of Psychedelics, and you don't NEED them to fully awaken, that's all I'm trying to say. If people want to go explore, go do it, as you say reality is infinite, I haven't once denied that. All I'm saying is seeking DOES come to an end, where you have ZERO NEED to seek, as you fully understand the truth of your own being, are absolutely happy and at peace. If you then want to explore other areas such as healing, go for it, my point is you can fully Awaken without drugs. I managed to realize the truth about my own being without them and so have 1000s of others, I'm also saying it can be done with Psyches and they can help. Everyone seems to think I'm anti-psyches, I'm really not lol. I'm just anti giving young people things that could fuck them up later in life. When used in the right setting and dosage they can be great. However deep the awakening is though, we always come back to THIS.

@Elham I drink it when I break my fast in my smoothie, so is the first thing I consume, how many tablespoons do you consume per day?

Wim Hof talks about healing any illness with the mind etc, not sure about regenrating limbs though!

@Beginner Mind That's all I'm trying to do! But apparently you need psychedelics and I'm giving anti-psychedelic dogma, which couldn't be further from the truth. I'm all for psychedelics used to help facilitate awakening and for healing reasons. Just not for endless seeking and 'experiences' when true awakening is not an experience!

@VeganAwake OMG what a song!!!!

@fridjonk No, the reason I’m not doing them is because I literally have ZERO need to do them, for those that do, go ahead, have a blast. Eventually you’ll come back to THIS. Like I said you can find out the nature of reality in a sober way, for me it was working direct 1-1 with a teacher and receiving transmissions, of Psychedelics work for you then I’m happy for you. There is no need to have a “breakthrough experience” when absolute peace and happiness have been realised. One day people on here will get that experience isn’t awakening, it’s just that- an experience. You said you need Psyches to go deeper, as far as I’m aware Martin Ball and Leo are the only 2 big proponents of them. In fact most self realised beings often emphasise how you don’t NEED them at all. I think I’m going to listen to the greatest masters of our time. Again, there’s no need to get defensive I’m not saying they can’t be helpful, just saying you NEED them is very misleading. the fact you keep saying how complicated it all is shows you haven’t grasped the nature of your own being yet. It’s simply THIS. always here, always now. also on who’s authority is that it’s common scientific knowledge that the brain doesn’t fully develop until were 25, this isn’t a matter of fear, more a matter of research and not being naive about these Drugs. I was naive and took MDMA at 17, smoked weed etc, upon realising this (and other things) stopped as I didn’t want to risk any further damage to my brain. It’s not “BS” more Neuroscience of the brain, and I’ve chosen not to take that risk. https://www.google.com/amp/s/bigthink.com/videos/what-age-is-brain-fully-developed.amp.html https://www.urmc.rochester.edu/encyclopedia/content.aspx?ContentTypeID=1&ContentID=3051 this is my main gripe with this forum, it’s extremely irresponsible to suggest someone under the age of 25 to take drugs, after that do as you please, but why take the risk? If you want to do psyches, just wait until your brain is developed so you don’t run the risk?

@fridjonk So you’re genuinely telling me Leo is the only teacher who has gone deep enough then?....okay ? I guess Jesus, Buddha, Ramana, Nisgardatta never knew the absolute truth! Knowing your own being = knowing reality for what it is, your own being = reality. The Self, all of it. Good luck on the psychedelic path, once you get it, you’ll realise awakening to the absolute in a sober manner is the same as through Psyches. and it’s not BS about the brain, it’s genuinely dangerous to do drugs before age 25.

@fridjonk No I’m 20 years old and my brain isn’t fully developed so Why would I want to risk damaging it? also, the endless use of psychedelics just promotes endless seeking. I’m not saying they can’t be helpful, but if every week someone’s saying “it can go deeper” “I need another trip” when does it end? Absolute peace and happiness is the synonym for realising the absolute. Why would I need to take a psychedelic when I’ve realised the truth of my own being and abide with absolute peace and happiness? to be honest, you know my age and shouldn’t be recommending Psychedelic Drugs to anyone under the age of 25, it’s literally a matter of time before all this drug taking results in some sort of repercussions whether it’s someone completely destroying their mental health, or someone actually dying, I genuinely feel there needs to be some guidelines put in place on this forum. Enlightenment isn’t an experience, psychedelic insights can help you, but without embodiment they won’t allow you to abide as the self. Im not meaning to sound harsh and I know you meant it as a joke, but I literally say someone saying how he almost committed suicide on a trip, then went on to recommend other people take the drug and handcuff themselves, like really? You don’t NEED psychedelics to realise you’re own being! @VeganAwake I’ve come to the realisation maybe we’re more on the same page than we think but just use different words and phrases to point out the exact same thing! it’s THIS! And like you say you’re then free to express THIS however you want, whether that’s with cookies on the couch, or going political, or becoming a teacher, we can express it however we want, but one thing will remain the same no matter what we do. Love.

@Inliytened1 Well said! As Francis said in the video I linked- If you have realized that absolutely nothing matters, you have found the one thing that does matter. And, guess what that one thing is- HAPPINESS! And guess what absolute happiness? Happiness = Peace = The Absolute = Love = Truth etc!

@VeganAwake I am not saying there is a separate individual or any separation, in fact, I repeatedly say EVERYTHING is The Absolute unknowingly or knowingly, so if all is One, how is there a separation? what I mean by 'enjoying Duality' is using Duality in the conventional use of the word. Your right Duality doesn't exist, as all that exists is The Self, nothing else has ever or will ever come into existence, for that is impossible. What I simply mean is embracing life, without resistance and with complete freedom, sorry if it comes across wrong. Yes again, as I keep saying all that exists is the Absolute, since I can't articulate it in words very well, and Francis can, this what I mean. Also, no I don't say you follow Neo-Advaita as a defense, I say it because it's quite literally what you speak on here. 'At the absolute level, everything is unfolding as it should. This “unfolding as it should” includes the fact of ignorance appearing in the world, along with its train of cruelty, ugliness, disharmony and stupidity. However, at the relative level, at the level where there is black and white, day and night, wisdom doesn’t make one blind and unable to distinguish between ignorance and wisdom, cruelty and compassion, ugliness and beauty, stupidity and intelligence. The sage sees these distinctions at the relative level even more sharply than the ignorant. The difference here is that he/she doesn’t see an ignorant individual, or a cruel one, or a stupid one, and that he/she remains unaffected by ignorance and its manifestations, knowing perfectly that “everything is unfolding as it should”. He/she follows the inner light of Presence and, like the Buddha Gautama, Ramana Maharshi, Ananda Mai, Jean Klein and many others, acts from that intelligence, from that love, from that beauty, and not from some theoretical view of non-duality. The intellectual thinks non-duality, the sage is it, and, from being it, thinks it, feels it, perceives it and puts it into action.' Do you think a non-dualistic view of the world leads the individual to passivity in the face of the world’s suffering? 'A non-dualistic view of the world may well lead to systematic passivity in the face of the world’s suffering if it is just that, a mere theoretical interpretation of the world. In this case there will often be a conflict between love and reason. A non-dualistic experience of the world will lead to the proper action, compassionate, practical, non judgmental, or to the proper passivity, depending upon the circumstances. The absence of conflict between love and intelligence is the benchmark of proper, impersonal action. Sometimes reason is too harsh and love wins, sometimes love is too weak and reason wins. It doesn’t matter which one wins, provided they both agree.'