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@fridjonk That’s where I’d strongly disagree. It’s not the “ego” who wants to do these things, as to me Ego implies an identification with the body/mind. It is merely God wishing to express the peace and happiness in action. They are not “my desires” but Gods desires, and post awakening God still wants you to embrace your humanity and your individuality as a human. Nisgardatta had a wife and a family, and shouted at his students for example. why? Because he was an Enneagram 8 and embraced his own humanity. Whereas Ramana was very peaceful and more passive, why? Because he was an Enneagram 9 and embracing his humanity. ALL The Self, ALL unique expressions of this. I AM THAT means embracing your humanity to, but you simultaneously know who you truly are. it’s a great Paradox, and really is near impossible to put in words, but experientially is the greatest joy. In earlier awakenings I also felt the “lack” of not truly being able to express my humanity, and reading life denying books really scared me if I’m honest. But, it is the most amazing gift of all basking in Non-Dual freedom day in day out, while also, expressing the playful uniqueness of my humanity, it’s getting my cake and eating it too! I’ve had this conversation with people before, Action does not Always equal ego at all. In fact, awakening actually frees you up to take more action, without resistance, and now knowing who you truly are instead of believing you are a separate self in a big scary world. You’re God wanting to experience itself in the play of shiva. And, you have the power of God/ The Absolute!

@LfcCharlie4 I meant in order to be happy and at peace from the absolute perspective of The Self/ The Absolute. In terms of why do anything else: 1) Practical/ Survival Reasons- E.g. Eating, Drinking, Earning money 2) Expression of happiness, peace, love and joy- seeing friends for the fun of it, exercising for the joy (and health of the body!), coming on the forum for the joy of it etc Sorry if I wasn’t clear I can see how that came across tbf ? All I meant was Peace/Happiness is inherent in The Self/ Awareness, and as a result there is no need to do anything to obtain Peace/Happiness. Simply the desire to express it in all areas of life.

@Nahm okay okay ? Just because I’ve heard people on here saying they “need” that in my experience, after realising the truth of your own being, nothing is needed, and then we are free to essentially do what we want as you said- sorry if I’m being too much on the point ?

@Mikael89 this is an amazing quote from a great teacher in Adyashanti. he puts it so beautifully!

@fridjonk Well I'm glad then, and I wish you nothing but happiness and peace after all isn't that what we are all after? The truth of our own being, abidance as The Absolute, the truth about reality and then the ever-expanding expansion and expression of this in our own lives and in all areas of lives. If I haven't already said this, I'm not denying the expansion and expression of this understanding in our own lives, for that work of course never ends until we die! I'm merely saying the 'seeking' aspect does come to an end where you arrive at the absolute joy of The Absolute. You arrive at THIS! And, it's fucking beautiful and magnificent! Well technically we were always THIS, we just simply weren't conscious as the quote below my name says. Love

@fridjonk Let's just agree to disagree, who knows maybe when I'm 25 ( ) I'll have the desire to try them, but right now I have 0! Yes I completely agree all of human history is simply God/The Absolute playing with himself, where most humans were not conscious of themselves as God hence all the turmoil we see, to me that isn't that radical at this point, I've heard it from various sources. After all if all is God, everything that has ever happened was done by God lost in his own creation? I'm not denying Leo goes incredibly deep in these trips, but honestly, the majority of teachers I recommend also talk about the stuff he does. You have to remember Psychedelics are very intense so make the insights seem more radical than they are due to the intensity of these trips. This means you can have these deep awakenings faster, but there's never any escaping the integration work! Plus at this point, being absolutely happy and at peace, knowing the truth of my own being and reality, the only way I can see it going deeper is in the human dimension through expression and integration but who knows!

@fridjonk You do know everything I'm saying comes from direct experience right? I'm not speaking conceptually. I am very intrigued to see where Leo goes in 5-10 years, I broke down his most recent video, showing how all of his teachings are that of the great masters, which is amazing, it just isn't unique. It's just his path is unique, and like I said I have ZERO issue with Psyches when used responsibly @Beginner Mind Exactly what I and every Self-Realized teacher out there is trying to say.

@dvdas I know, but genuinely I've been talking to several people about this, and It's actually worrying how freely drug use is advocated here. I'm literally linking scientific evidence of the danger to our brains and apparently that's just fear? And, exactly, saying 'it always goes deeper' to me just shows a lack of understanding, yes in the human dimension we can always embody deeper, however there is an END to seeking. That end is Absolute peace and happiness. @fridjonk No I didn't stop in my tracks, I had many awakenings and while there was still an inch of seeking I kept going, knowing it wasn't the final answer to which I was after, until seeking literally ended. It was like an explosion, the realization it had always been in front of me, right here, right now, The Self. That was a drop in the wind comment, you are always your own Guru. No, it doesn't the teaching literally is very simple, it's the mind that wants to make it complex. I'm not saying embodiment doesn't take 'time' and work, bit simply put THIS isn't complex, that's the cosmic joke. Yes, it's relatively proven scientifically our brains don't stop developing until we are 25, if you want to go ahead and risk that, then do it, but you shouldn't be recommending this to others if they're under 25. My friend ended up in a mental hospital twice after 2 LSD trips as he kept seeing his dead Father afterward. Nobody wants to speak about the dangers of these drugs when used irresponsibly. @Inliytened1 I am not talking about conceptual understanding but experiential understanding and experiential absolute peace and happiness like I keep saying. What could be conceptual about abiding with absolute peace and happiness? I have no issues with people exploring consciousness, my point is you can fully Self-Realize without the use of Psychedelics, and you don't NEED them to fully awaken, that's all I'm trying to say. If people want to go explore, go do it, as you say reality is infinite, I haven't once denied that. All I'm saying is seeking DOES come to an end, where you have ZERO NEED to seek, as you fully understand the truth of your own being, are absolutely happy and at peace. If you then want to explore other areas such as healing, go for it, my point is you can fully Awaken without drugs. I managed to realize the truth about my own being without them and so have 1000s of others, I'm also saying it can be done with Psyches and they can help. Everyone seems to think I'm anti-psyches, I'm really not lol. I'm just anti giving young people things that could fuck them up later in life. When used in the right setting and dosage they can be great. However deep the awakening is though, we always come back to THIS.

@Elham I drink it when I break my fast in my smoothie, so is the first thing I consume, how many tablespoons do you consume per day?

Wim Hof talks about healing any illness with the mind etc, not sure about regenrating limbs though!

@Beginner Mind That's all I'm trying to do! But apparently you need psychedelics and I'm giving anti-psychedelic dogma, which couldn't be further from the truth. I'm all for psychedelics used to help facilitate awakening and for healing reasons. Just not for endless seeking and 'experiences' when true awakening is not an experience!

@VeganAwake OMG what a song!!!!

@fridjonk No, the reason I’m not doing them is because I literally have ZERO need to do them, for those that do, go ahead, have a blast. Eventually you’ll come back to THIS. Like I said you can find out the nature of reality in a sober way, for me it was working direct 1-1 with a teacher and receiving transmissions, of Psychedelics work for you then I’m happy for you. There is no need to have a “breakthrough experience” when absolute peace and happiness have been realised. One day people on here will get that experience isn’t awakening, it’s just that- an experience. You said you need Psyches to go deeper, as far as I’m aware Martin Ball and Leo are the only 2 big proponents of them. In fact most self realised beings often emphasise how you don’t NEED them at all. I think I’m going to listen to the greatest masters of our time. Again, there’s no need to get defensive I’m not saying they can’t be helpful, just saying you NEED them is very misleading. the fact you keep saying how complicated it all is shows you haven’t grasped the nature of your own being yet. It’s simply THIS. always here, always now. also on who’s authority is that it’s common scientific knowledge that the brain doesn’t fully develop until were 25, this isn’t a matter of fear, more a matter of research and not being naive about these Drugs. I was naive and took MDMA at 17, smoked weed etc, upon realising this (and other things) stopped as I didn’t want to risk any further damage to my brain. It’s not “BS” more Neuroscience of the brain, and I’ve chosen not to take that risk. https://www.google.com/amp/s/bigthink.com/videos/what-age-is-brain-fully-developed.amp.html https://www.urmc.rochester.edu/encyclopedia/content.aspx?ContentTypeID=1&ContentID=3051 this is my main gripe with this forum, it’s extremely irresponsible to suggest someone under the age of 25 to take drugs, after that do as you please, but why take the risk? If you want to do psyches, just wait until your brain is developed so you don’t run the risk?

@fridjonk So you’re genuinely telling me Leo is the only teacher who has gone deep enough then?....okay ? I guess Jesus, Buddha, Ramana, Nisgardatta never knew the absolute truth! Knowing your own being = knowing reality for what it is, your own being = reality. The Self, all of it. Good luck on the psychedelic path, once you get it, you’ll realise awakening to the absolute in a sober manner is the same as through Psyches. and it’s not BS about the brain, it’s genuinely dangerous to do drugs before age 25.

@fridjonk No I’m 20 years old and my brain isn’t fully developed so Why would I want to risk damaging it? also, the endless use of psychedelics just promotes endless seeking. I’m not saying they can’t be helpful, but if every week someone’s saying “it can go deeper” “I need another trip” when does it end? Absolute peace and happiness is the synonym for realising the absolute. Why would I need to take a psychedelic when I’ve realised the truth of my own being and abide with absolute peace and happiness? to be honest, you know my age and shouldn’t be recommending Psychedelic Drugs to anyone under the age of 25, it’s literally a matter of time before all this drug taking results in some sort of repercussions whether it’s someone completely destroying their mental health, or someone actually dying, I genuinely feel there needs to be some guidelines put in place on this forum. Enlightenment isn’t an experience, psychedelic insights can help you, but without embodiment they won’t allow you to abide as the self. Im not meaning to sound harsh and I know you meant it as a joke, but I literally say someone saying how he almost committed suicide on a trip, then went on to recommend other people take the drug and handcuff themselves, like really? You don’t NEED psychedelics to realise you’re own being! @VeganAwake I’ve come to the realisation maybe we’re more on the same page than we think but just use different words and phrases to point out the exact same thing! it’s THIS! And like you say you’re then free to express THIS however you want, whether that’s with cookies on the couch, or going political, or becoming a teacher, we can express it however we want, but one thing will remain the same no matter what we do. Love.

@Inliytened1 Well said! As Francis said in the video I linked- If you have realized that absolutely nothing matters, you have found the one thing that does matter. And, guess what that one thing is- HAPPINESS! And guess what absolute happiness? Happiness = Peace = The Absolute = Love = Truth etc!

@VeganAwake I am not saying there is a separate individual or any separation, in fact, I repeatedly say EVERYTHING is The Absolute unknowingly or knowingly, so if all is One, how is there a separation? what I mean by 'enjoying Duality' is using Duality in the conventional use of the word. Your right Duality doesn't exist, as all that exists is The Self, nothing else has ever or will ever come into existence, for that is impossible. What I simply mean is embracing life, without resistance and with complete freedom, sorry if it comes across wrong. Yes again, as I keep saying all that exists is the Absolute, since I can't articulate it in words very well, and Francis can, this what I mean. Also, no I don't say you follow Neo-Advaita as a defense, I say it because it's quite literally what you speak on here. 'At the absolute level, everything is unfolding as it should. This “unfolding as it should” includes the fact of ignorance appearing in the world, along with its train of cruelty, ugliness, disharmony and stupidity. However, at the relative level, at the level where there is black and white, day and night, wisdom doesn’t make one blind and unable to distinguish between ignorance and wisdom, cruelty and compassion, ugliness and beauty, stupidity and intelligence. The sage sees these distinctions at the relative level even more sharply than the ignorant. The difference here is that he/she doesn’t see an ignorant individual, or a cruel one, or a stupid one, and that he/she remains unaffected by ignorance and its manifestations, knowing perfectly that “everything is unfolding as it should”. He/she follows the inner light of Presence and, like the Buddha Gautama, Ramana Maharshi, Ananda Mai, Jean Klein and many others, acts from that intelligence, from that love, from that beauty, and not from some theoretical view of non-duality. The intellectual thinks non-duality, the sage is it, and, from being it, thinks it, feels it, perceives it and puts it into action.' Do you think a non-dualistic view of the world leads the individual to passivity in the face of the world’s suffering? 'A non-dualistic view of the world may well lead to systematic passivity in the face of the world’s suffering if it is just that, a mere theoretical interpretation of the world. In this case there will often be a conflict between love and reason. A non-dualistic experience of the world will lead to the proper action, compassionate, practical, non judgmental, or to the proper passivity, depending upon the circumstances. The absence of conflict between love and intelligence is the benchmark of proper, impersonal action. Sometimes reason is too harsh and love wins, sometimes love is too weak and reason wins. It doesn’t matter which one wins, provided they both agree.'

Sorry @fridjonk but I'll be quoting Francis's Question and Answer here on the topic of Vegetarianism but it actually explains the distinction of the Absolute and relative very well for @Mikael89 https://francis.ugjka.net/eng/397 - A follow up on Video Answer 33 on Vegetarianism.html

Good luck getting that across on here

@Mikael89 Francis explains it better than I could. I'm not great at writing my experience out or putting this in words yet, sorry. Absolutely speaking nothing matters and everything is pointless. However, you act as if everything matters and as if it has meaning. Yes, it's a paradox. A lot of this work involves Paradoxes. @fridjonk It is not a need to teach, there is nothing to teach in regards to the Truth, as the ultimate truth is silence. However, when a question arises, the answer can then arise out of presence to help the questioner overcome the issue/ question they are facing. I see what you're saying and by 40 there will be another 20 years of Integration, so I get your point completely, however, the end of seeking is the end of seeking, regardless of age. The Absolute doesn't discriminate by age, it's not like it's a different understanding ever. I understand how it can come across when a 20-year-old is claiming to have finished seeking, however, it's not the 20-year-old who is Self-Realized is it? There's no such thing as an Enlightened person, there is simply The Realization of the truth of my being, that's not going change, as it is changeless. In regards to expressing this understanding, I have a LOT to learn, so to speak certainly in articulating the understanding. I just know how hard it can be for seekers, and I simply want to help them in any way I can. I also understand that if I start teaching my age will be a barrier to some people, and that's fine, you should only work with who you resonate with. But, I am just extremely grateful I was able to find this teaching at such a young age and realize the truth of my own being, it's like being reborn again, and I'm just thankful it took years instead of decades. I am also not looking to teach properly (1-1) anytime soon. Also, it's not the false self who teaches, for how could that be? It is The Self, 'teaching' The Self, but in some cases, people have not realized they are also The Self, and this is veiled by their thoughts, feelings etc. Also, the main reason I link teachers? They can articulate what I am trying to say in a much better way than I can usually, as shown in the Francis Lucille video above. I also don't understand what you mean by more depth to this work, I am the one usually saying to go deeper into awakening to people on here! But, anyways, in reality, the highest teaching is as simple as it gets- Silence. This. Here. Now. Until someone asks a question, there is nothing to speak about this! I don't think it's fair to suggest there is an age limit to absolute truth, I get your concerns but I have been very rigorous in this work, and did not stop until there was literally NOTHING left and THIS is all that was left.

This article by good old Rupert explains what I was trying to say well- 'Words are the outer layer of the teaching,' https://non-duality.rupertspira.com/read/words_are_the_outer_layer_of_the_teaching_oasg107 It is where the words come from that matters most when the answer is coming from the presence, that can help people in ways we can not fathom. But, ultimately, as Rupert, says the words are not the Main vessel of the teaching, Presence is. The words are merely meant to help us, as pointers. Thank you for helping me realize I've been getting too caught up in words and concepts recently though when communicating with people on here! Ultimately, there is NOTHING we can say about awakening that is true, it is merely the questions that allow for the answers to rise in the presence, be spoken, and then fall back into Presence. And, as I always say, Silence/Transmissions will always be the highest teaching, direct transmission of this presence, sprinkled with the answering of our burning questions and blockages is what allowed me to truly see the nature of my own being. If I became a teacher, simply using words wouldn't be enough, trying to talk the Ego to death is a hard ask! Combining the power of Transmissions and answering the seekers concerns and questions on a 1-1 basis is what I find to be the most effective form of facilitating awakening.

@VeganAwake I've enjoyed our discussions but I've just realized how much I've deviated from the reason I signed up here. The main reason was to help seekers realize the truth of their own being and begin to experience the peace and happiness that is inherent in The Self. I often find myself debating or discussing with others, when in reality there is little need for that. At this stage we are very unlikely to agree, I think you are the perfect example of a Neo-Advaitan and you think I haven't seen through the illusion of self. So it's best we just end these 'Non-Duality wars' as long as you're happy, I'm a happy man! And, I wish you nothing but love and happiness, and I hope we can meet up one day! Maybe it's best we keep our discussions around helping 'others' (Helping ourselves really!) and of course good old veganism! Sending love!

Yeah, it's easy to get lost here, and I'm glad I didn't come on here as a seeker if I'm honest, it would be very confusing. I think the best use would be for seekers to ask questions they are struggling with, and then receive carefully constructed answers to that question. I have been prone to falling into traps of debating people and the likes, I only came on here solely for the purpose of helping seekers realize the truth of their own being, and I need to get back to realigning to that, I agree words can never speak the Absolute truth, however, when a burning question is answered, it can help a seeker relax their mind and get back to the work. Also, there will usually be questions around integration and Living this understanding as well, which have value in their own sense. Like you said though, anybody can answer, say someone's having problems Meditating for example. You could get an answer from a seeker, a partially awakened being, or a fully awakened being that are slightly different and leave the OP more confused than before. I'm not sure how we could optimize the Sub-Forum though, maybe be stricter with what questions can be asked? But, then deciding that could create issues, it's a tricky one! This is why I truly think while at first it's great to get perspectives from several teachers to see who you resonate with, after a while, it becomes much better to simply find 1 teacher you resonate with and work with them ideally 1-1 or retreats and whatnot, and dive deep into the teachings until you feel you have gotten everything you need/ want from that particular teacher. But, at the end of the day WE are all our OWN guru and the true power lies within us. and the highest teaching will always be silence. Teaching, Words, contemplation etc are tools to allow us to 'get' to that silence. Eventually, all concepts and beliefs must be thrown in the fire until you are simply left with THIS as it is, right here, right NOW. However, getting there will often be paved with confusion and most are not ready for pure silence as a teaching, therefore, there is also value in answering with words and concepts in order to help people Get it, but yes, these words and concepts are the Finger, not the Moon itself. The moon itself can only be understood experientially!

@VeganAwake I never once said there was a separate individual or that Duality was real, I probably could've used a better word than duality, maybe enjoy the 'Dream' then. It's just understanding Duality=Non-Duality in my direct experience. There is no distinction between Subject/Object, it's just this as it is. You love conflating the absolute with the relative, and absolutely nothing matters yes, but if my child is sick I'm still going to take him to the doctors, not just say to him 'There's nobody there to be sick, nothing matters anyway!' I hope one day you go beyond Non-Duality, Spirituality, and Enlightenment as the whole point of it all is to go beyond it and drop all concepts, you always say it's THIS but then jump back into concepts. Non-Duality is medicine for Duality, once you finish your course of medicine you don't keep taking it do you? Unless maybe Non-Dual teachings are the opioids that you just can't let go of Duality and Non-Duality are merely concepts for how we attempt to describe the indescribable, and when you throw them in the fire, you are left with just this as it is, always. Also, if you want to get semantical about words, Nothing Matters is not the highest teaching, no words could ever possibly be the highest teaching. Because no words could ever utter 1 correct thing about the absolute, they are merely tools to get you to the Silence, and it is in that silence that The Absolute truth is revealed.

Hey, I currently have some Sinus issues, I've been adding 2 teaspoons of Apple Cider Vinegar to my smoothie, do you not think that's enough then?