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Because the two things being separated are aspects of God to begin with. The separation may seem to exist but it’s a straw dog.

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Ah, careful there. That’s your interpretation and choice of understanding and not allowing for more nuanced use of that term. Who are you to say what it means or doesn’t mean to others? When I say it I mean a broader was as Leo does. Though, me and him have different data base and implicit and explicit understanding of “open boarder” and ability to see different peoples models of that term. ”I know a time is coming , all words will lose their meaning… black mirror…..”

@Emerald Lots of true things you say. Policy is a very complicated issue and thank you for discussing it with me.

@Emerald 1. In the same video you saw it said those same people agree that they think immigrants add good diversity to the country. But, think it is also causing housing issues.

I added more, thought I don't know if you'll like my response. I am not strictly speaking and listing policy but talking more broadly about how I see certain issues, because of liberal policy. I am not listing or writing out the policy. To find specifics you'd have to go deeper. Question about Oregons drug problem: If only 1% of people who are receiving tickets in Oregon are actually calling the help line... These are people addicted to hard dangerous drugs, many who overdose and die. What are you talking about how it's unclear if it's working or not? I think you have a very different sense making sense than I do. The policy wasn't developed to give drugs addicts a free pass to use all the time. To sell drugs and just have a ball. Or, to just continue coping with mental health issues, dealing with their pain, and traumas. Their drug policies are attempting to be nice, to be kind, to show compassion for the addict. Which I think is an important element in a policy design process. However, we need to be realistic that many of these addicts will not change on their own. They need external forces to push them in a direction to gain experiences that will change them for the better. Left to their own devices as they are in Oregon you have a festering wound. Ideally it was implemented to help people and to make Oregon a more livable and healthy place for everyone. But, it hasn't done that. It's obvious to me if you read any articles your going to see that people don't believe it has worked and it has made things worse over the time it has been implemented. It appears there is a downward trend in that area with regards to mental health, and a upward trend of drug use and out of alignment living with living properly. Is it doomed to fail forever? Can it be changed and improved? Yes. It's not that we have to be extremely conservative or liberal but, we can apply and create policy built on holistic systems thinking principles that allow for society to heal and improve over time. But, it will be risky and unfortunately policy can fail, in very tragic ways, or it may simple not make the change you want and another policy may be needed. If nothing is getting better, and businesses are scared, people walking the street are upset, there are overdoses, etc... I mean, this is an example of a failed liberal policy. I don't get how you didn't see that.

@Emerald Thanks for checking them out. 1. Immigration: I mean, yeah... It's not pointing to specific policy but the impact of those policies, and how the impacts are perceived which is what matters. You have to be able to see that when you have policies that allow for example large amounts of immigrants to enter the country there are risks. That is what that video is showing. I am not attempting to show you specific policy but hoping you would be able to use your intelligence to see the video and infer policy, impact, etc at least inference. I am not attempting to share specific policy. The short clip is an example of what is happening here in Canada not meant to be something extensive. If you wanted to look up Canadian immigration policy specifics be my guest. I watch Canadian news because I live here and have learned the statistics and the problems Canadians are facing due to the immigration policies. I am not fragmenting this conversation to simply the Policy but also it's actual impacts and pros and cons. Of course there are many factors that go into a housing crisis. But, when immgration policy allows too many immigrants and international students that we have a housing crisis and tent cities all around the country that is a problem. Of course, you could also call air BnB a more liberal business idea that is also contributing to house crisis. A policy and it's impact are connected. They aren't separate. 2. Legalized Drugs: There are many interviews with people in other videos showing polices, businesses, residents saying that the situation in Oregon has gotten worse and not better since the change in policy. Therefore this wasn't a good or useful liberal policy that was put into place around drug use in Oregon. However, Portugal is an example of a place that decriminalized drugs and it worked., If people are caught on the streets and obviously addicted they would be given the choice to go to a treatment facility, get mental health care, etc or spend time in jail. Oregan did not set up adequate social programs in advance and it seems there problem is only getting worse. Legalizing and decriminalizing are different things, and here are many nuances that can be applied to policy that make using drugs, especially in public is thwarted, and mental health and healthy usage of drugs is promoted. But, we still don't really know the best policies. The point is, legalizing drugs isn't an abolutue good and therefore policy design needs to take that into account. I am not here providing stats. So don't expect that. This is all policy. How you handle drugs, health, laws, etc is policy and they all work together. What is the actual impact, what do people believe about it? Just because I think something is stupid or naive doesn't mean others don't. The examples shows that a liberal policy may not work at all, and it may back fire. However, if done properly it can really make a difference. The thing we need to see is that just because an idea is liberal doesn't mean it will work. It can be very dangerous. There are so many nuances when it comes to dealing with highly complex systems we need be careful of letting our ideologies think things are absolute goods. How we philosophize, our level education, develop, etc these play a huge role in policy people vote for, that people put into power, that people believe in. We can't just look at what law makers do but how policy is perceived and understood by everyone. Policy has a very real work affect, and when we see issues in the world we have to ask what is the policy? What are the laws? Regulations? Practices? The way a society functions is largely due to the highly complex interweaving of human systems in relation to policy, law, and the actually way things work in the world. When Policy is bad, we see bad shit happening. But, even that contains subjective elements which makes policy extremely complicated and difficult to create. Often times the policy you think will work backfires. When the streets are flooded with drug addicts, tent cities, walking zombies like in Philly. There is huge systemic policy issue. Are they liberal policies are or not? This is a bigger issue than maybe is right for this thread. If your policy isn't actually making things better, and there is a crisis like drug epidemics that is a big issue and the fact that people thought it would work is unfortunate. It appears these drugs situations are getting worse in places like Oregon. If only 1% of people who are receiving tickets in Oregon are actually calling the help line... These are people addicted to hard dangerous drugs, many who overdose and die. What are you talking about how it's unclear if it's working or not? I think you have a very different sense making system than I do. 3. San Francisco Crime: Many of those thieves are not being persecuted at all which is why the crimes keep happening. They have no fear of the authority and therefore the policy isn't working. However, I am not ignorant enough about systems thinking theory to assume that the only way to lower crime is stricter law punishment... Except when it is because somehow down the line, and in other areas there are other systemic issues that are leading to these crime waves. The crime waves is already at your footstep. What do you do? The question is now that a city is dealing with these crimes what are the best policies? It's not a liberal one, at least not traditionally as I understand the word. edit: realize theres typos so editing.

It’s high plus we had like half a million international students. You can ask if it is high but we also have a lack of housing for Canadians apparently. There are many tent cities all across Canada Hard to know all the factors for that though, Air BnB etc. The more I think about it and all the factors that cause our housing and cost of living crisis I am unsure. I do suspect high immigration plays a roll. It’s extremely high and all at once as well and I think that is dangerous. Filling your country with people who don’t know your country and think different is dangerous. I am not like super duly worried But, we are in this particular thread Where I live is now unrecognizable from my childhood.

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@TheGod No, and be careful spreading your bullshit here. I know many people, including myself who have gotten severely injured or potentially injured for not taking proper privations.

Problem with too many immigrants , potential. Canada has 7% immigrants…

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@Leo Gura I don’t know enough about EU policy, but know there is an immigration problem as I’ve described above. Once you’re in the EU I think it may be easier to move around. But, I don’t know enough. I added to the post.

@Leo Gura Within the EU Ive driven right from the Netherlands into Germany many times. The boarders are open once you are in. You could argue there is a boarder around the EU, but apparently Germany is struggling with Immgrrants getting into other member countries and then going there leading to over population and immigration issue.

@Emerald You’ve brought up many good points also. 😊 I am by no means an expert in this area. I have minimal time downs studying it or contemplating it. Maybe more than some as I have watched Leo’s video on conscious politics, on his ideas around what left and right are, as well as books and courses I have taken. But, it’s not a key area of focus for me. Of course when it comes to leftist ideas around policy they come in many forms and degrees. Left is far too broad a category. It’s important to look at policy ideas, proposals, philosophy, ideas, etc each individually and in combination. There are open boarders within the EU for example which creates problems.

@Emerald My post is still fine for this thread. We are sorting through policy ideas. There is of course a lot of value in people here looking at both policy, and philosophical ideas around policy. There are people who push for policy which each of the things I’ve listed if one takes time to research.

@Emerald 1. policies around immigration: In Canada we have let in many immigrants which has lead to a housing crisis and cost of living crisis, at least in part. 2. Legalizing Drugs Complete Failure: Oregan has Legalized drugs and it has been a complete failure. 3. Easy on Crime Complete Failure: There is a policy in San Fancisco that has made petty crimes a misdemeanour instead of a criminal act and it has severely back fired and theft runs rampit Other things you’ve mentioned would likely fall I to people policy ideals, and I think you may find examples of people actually trying to pass those policies.

@Emerald These policies are promoted by people. I read a book advocating for open boarders many years ago. The things I listed and policies people have pushed for. I wasn’t listing policies by leftist wants for policy. I would consider policy around allowing violent criminals out of jail a more left leaning policy. But, open to other opinions.

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@Emerald I think it was intended as a start because doing it in one sweep is impossible. I have to contemplate more of them that are leftist problematic policy… like open boardings, defunding police, allowing in too many immigrants, legalizing all drugs, being too easy going on criminals who steal as it promotes mass thievery, allowing for parol of violent offenders, allowing children to have sex change surgery, and more, not funding the military enough, policies in universities around speech, opinions and being overly sensitive and SJW, policies that get people in trouble for having more conservative views and opinions, controlled speech, etc I also thing UBI could easily backfire. Perhaps even Canadas carbon tax could backfire. The it’s so hard to tell on the offset which policy will be problematic as we are dealing with highly complex system.

@Emerald Okay, but the plastic banning straws thing is a good idea. The whole diables thing is a moot point because exceptions can easily be made. They are a small % of population and there are easy alternatives to plastic straws that need not be single use plastics.