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@Rishabh R Congrats!

@integral Okay so just a tangent from the above conversation

@integral what is your point? With that particular statement with that emoji?

The problem I have with this is that… your logic can simply be wrong. This is well established by Greek skepticism and may be worth studying how logic can be wrong, and its limitations. My view is that human logic is a conceptual construction in our minds, and are tools used to understand, categorize, and predict reality. But, reality itself is king at the end of the day. Human logic requires empirical observation and feedback for it to be valid. Logic alone without empirical data is logic without foundation or reality. That’s sort of what science is doing. Induction is a type of logic produced through empirical observation as well. Though, it’s an assumption or guess based on previous observations not a truth. I think you take for granted how much of human logic is actually founded on emperical observation, consciousness, survival and intelligence. A flat earther is very logical. But is it true? — Without consciousness there isn’t much to be logical about though. Without an observer…

This feels jumbled and unclear I’m not sure what you are saying. Could you clarify? Wouldn’t that be 2 types of empirical observation? One of mind and one of the world?

@zurew Some thoughts and questions. Can you define what “an Apriori person” is? Someone who believes knowledge is independent of experience? Is your main point regarding inference that a computer can be programmed to use the logic? And, because a computer isn’t conscious therefore logic doesn’t require consciousness? I will look 👀. Okay, perhaps I don’t know the original topic but I thought it had to do with consciousness and logic. Can you state the original topic? With regards to entailments, wouldn’t you agree with Leo that those can only be proven to be valid through empirical observation. I would say many logical entailments actually fail under empirical scrutiny.

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@integral An empirical aspect of mind, but not external reality, or the realities of a given field which is an interesting nuance.

@zurew I am reading through your guys conversation. I went through and checked I understood the definitions of the philosophical terms. I read what you wrote, and I read what Leo wrote. I am left thinking Leo is correct on his points. Not because he is Leo but his points make sense. Especially, the point made that logic only holds up through empirical observation of reality which requires consciousness and intelligence at the end of the day. Computers and AI are only extensions of This because humans have applied their empirical observations to their logic, and the design of computers and algorithms. It seems you’re both coming at the conversation from different angles. You want something from the conversation Leo isn’t interested in. You also seem to be projecting bad faith onto his responses which is unfortunate. The terms and ideas you are discussing are rather basic philosophy. Leo isn’t really engaging with you and then you are projecting all this stuff onto the situation. I think your attitude it combative and not coming from a place of neutral, open and contemplative philosophical discussion which is why Leo makes comments on your attitude here. That is my interpretation right now as I read through.

If you weren’t conscious how would you give a computer anything?

Very cool psychedelic music video and good song. Chad does the music and animation.

I’ve been socializing a lot the last week or so. Slowly ramping up. My goal is to go out to a meetup everyone and build state. Socializing is very healing. I am doing it sober. I also head home at 9pm to also maintain my sleep score. Ive also gone on two dates recently. you gotta roll with the good and the bad. I guy got pissed because I asked is Columbia was beside Peru, lol anyway. Next. when you first go out your state can be a bit low, awkward and weird, logical. But, you build your state by just talking, breathing, relaxing and being in your body. If you find yourself in a busy crowded bar, if you sit and wait in a confident pose usually a guy or two will walk up and chat. You use that to build state and start linking through various conversations. All the small talk is similar what matters is body language, laughing and being a good vibe.

@zurew okay, but without being conscious or Intelligent how you gonna do inductive or deduction reasoning?

I wonder. If you have the genetic ability maybe you gotta learn to use it?

@The Crocodile Yeah, but regardless of the medium it’s still a part of reality.

@Leo Gura Well, you could try.

You must not have read his whole comment when you replied with this.

@Husseinisdoingfine corruption

Haïti, mon pays Wounded mother I'll never see Ma famille set me free Throw my ashes into the sea Mes cousins jamais nés Hantent les nuits de Duvalier Rien n'arrête nos esprits Guns can't kill, soldiers can't see In the forest we are hiding Unmarked graves where flowers grow Hear the soldiers angry yelling In the river we will go Tous les morts-nés forment une armée Soon we will reclaim the earth All the tears and all the bodies Bring about our second birth Haïti, never free N'aie pas peur de sonner l'alarme Tes enfants sont partis In those days their blood was still warm

You've been dead for years, but you never knew. And the rabid bits of time have been eating you. But no one knows where we go... no one knows where we go, when we're dead or when we're dreaming. oooh-woo ooo... (x4) And you've been dead for Years, but you never knew... and the rabid bits of Time have been eating you... No one knows where we go... no one knows where we go, when we're dead or when we're dreaming

I always wanted to be the kinda guy that wore earings but my grandma shamed me when I pierced my ears in highschool. I always thought stretchers were cool. My ears can still take earings so I am ordering a pair.

The whole album slaps brings back old memories