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@LordFall In general, especially with figures of over 1000 years ago, in cultures I’m not expert in… I have learned to realize all my knowledge of them is hearsay and not direct experience. Figures like George Washington are more recent. However, all history gives you is beliefs about him. You can never fully know him, or what was true about him. Though, he likely existed given what humans have told each other and our history. Normally, I would speak as if he existed without the same doubt we have for Lao Tzu or even Jesus. Mohammad, to me as I’m no historian is similar to these prophets, teachers and figures. They are so ancient to trust what any human says about them is not wise. But, I can tell the story of Mohammad that does exist as the story of Mohammad. I assume Mohammad existed all those years ago based on the history and the existence of Islam. But, what is true about him is difficult. I can study books and scholars but that is still hearsay. We can’t know for sure someone existed thousands of years ago but we can assume and generally trust history. But, we can’t know for sure even more specific details about somebody. This is besides the point for me in this post debating the history or Mohammad. I’m more interested in the universal teachings which Islam does indeed contain within it.

@LordFall … You don’t know if any historical person existed… I was attempting to be responsible to say we really don’t know the truth of these historical figures. Which, is important when considering an ancient school of thought and its recorded history. You’ve repeated the history I know. And, I said in this thread the audiobook I’ve been listening to already of why I felt there is something profound in the story of Mohammad, as well of the heart of compassion and Gods love in Islam teachings.

There must be lights burning brighter somewhere Got to be birds flying higher in a sky more blue If I can dream of a better land Where all my brothers walk hand in hand Tell me why, oh why, oh why can't my dream come true Oh why There must be peace and understanding sometime Strong winds of promise that will blow away the doubt and fear If I can dream of a warmer sun Where hope keeps shining on everyone Tell me why, oh why, oh why won't that sun appear We're lost in a cloud With too much rain We're trapped in a world That's troubled with pain But as long as a man Has the strength to dream He can redeem his soul and fly Deep in my heart there's a trembling question Still I am sure that the answer, answer's gonna come somehow Out there in the dark, there's a beckoning candle, yeah And while I can think, while I can walk While I can stand, while I can talk While I can dream Oh, please let my dream Come true Right now Let it come true right now Oh yeah

« Dont you effing compare apples and oranges » I’ll contemplate whatever and however I want thank you. Actualized isn’t a religion. Islam is. Actualized teaches infinite consciousness, pure philosophy and advanced personal development and more. I to hard to encapsulate something so broad. Leo, I don’t really get the guy. He contains multitudes. Islam teaches God is infinite, all compassionate. It teaches contemplation, regular connection to gods grace. I don’t know if Mohammad ever existed but assume he did. I doubt he is perfect. But, God doesn’t choose perfect he chooses perfectly. I’m not sure of what any prophet truly is. You can take aspects of Islam that work, and are actual rational and link them to wider topics of yoga, health, zen, etc. If you are a seeker of wisdom and can handle not needing to accept everything is a school of thought you can find wisdom. You can take that wisdom., and apply it The heart can sing in its remembering of the union of which Islam can invoke. Actualized, again is hard to explain. How to explain the deepest of trips? Or the paradoxical immaturity of it’s creator? Or, the depths and preciseness Leo has explicated in his profound video catalogue.

There is a difference between wisdom of the heart. And wisdom of the brain. Then, there is the wisdom they conspire on together.

@Davino For its for spiritual nourishment and deepening my connection to God. The heart knows when it’s nourished.

There is a cultivation of the heart in Islam. I’m not saying be a Muslim. But, I suggest you could be a treasure seeker to all the worlds knowledge. Have you felt the ecstatic heart of Islam?

@LordFall I am not arguing there was a lot of conflict in that area or regarding the religion. I am not even saying it made less war. That checks out with spiral dynamics. I’m focused on the heart of the religion. Not just the people in it and what they did or didn’t do. When Gandhi died in the power vacuum he created in India lead to a civil war which killed over 2 million people. His act of non-violence lead to a war. Human affairs can be really messy. I am interest is more on the heart of the teachings of Islam, what what took place for it to take hold over so many. I know I made it out to seem like Mohammad was perfect, but that’s not what I’m saying. Mohammad create Islam. It’s a powerful school of understanding. His actions allowed it to grow and survive. Within Islam is a deep love and profound wisdom. Essentially value of the higher self are central to the teachings of Islam. These are universal values at its heart. There was nothing about it that said all war would stop. That wasn’t going to happen because of how humans are at that level of cognitive, value and ego development. Plus, the survival pressures are so high for all those people. This is why it is profound to create an Islam that can survive. It’s hard for me to explain this. I’m not excusing any wrong doing. But, I also recognize the way of life of an age when something is created. If Islam was created this way today it would be unacceptable to me. I am by no means done contemplating various perspectives.

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War is a crime. I can also recognize in our ancient tribes it was normal part of life. Right or wrong.

@Leo Gura Hey Leo, that’s a trigger man. Ive listened to you. I’ve listened to the wisdom in this audio book. I’m reasonably intelligent and can see similarities in your work, religion, human nature etc. From this I can see deep wisdom. I can also feel my hearts intelligence as I listen to the wisdom coming from Islam. I am not you. I don’t see actualized the way you do. Though, I’ve watched all your videos some many time. The body of work is only an aspect of something. I personally see something is Islam in this moment which is profound and brings a sense of deep love and understanding. You can be mad, and I will continue to form my own understanding and work through recontextualizations as I make sense of Truth, God and the Universe. I do not bow to your model of reality!!!! But, I respectfully engage in with you. Now, if you would also respect me like you expect me to giving me 3 warnings points. We are speaking of deep and profound matter. This is no place for ego trips. I am interested in all of reality. If you yourself know it takes decades to grasp and work with all this. Give me grace. My heart feels a deep grace with Islam. This is true for me. I am in a path of the heart. This is important for me right now. I am more interested in God, the Heart, and Divine Love than just, bowing to actualized. I am of course full of deep love and appreciation for actualized. But I cannot easily communicate my relationship to you and your work right now. It’s complicated.

@LordFall Yeah, you can make that argument if you want. I’m not saying he was perfect or didn’t have things people may not like about him. I’m looking at some of the brutality that may have come along with this too don’t you worry. He meets a broad definition of warlord, but when you paint that broad brush you are missing out on a lot of nuance. He was a military commander, yes. State builder yes. It’s far more nuanced then him simply ruling by the sword. Though, it is said that you must rule by sword and pen. Mohammad used diplomacy and war. Not just war. I am more moved by Islam as a whole than solely Sufism, though Sufism is great. The audiobook I am listening to speaks of the heart of Islam and allah. I like that.

@LordFall I listened to an audiobook today which did not describe him as such and I looked it up during our previous conversation and found he wasn’t a warlord. I hear your opinion but it’s not being verified by other sources. Fighting some wars doesn’t make you a warlord…

@LordFall That’s fair. But, I looked into it a bit more. He wasn’t a warlord lord as most of those campaigns didn’t involve warfare. He wasn’t going around killing everyone. He did lead some battles/ wars. But, not as a warlord. To call him a warlord is simply not accurate.

@LordFall Mohammad was not a warlord. God did not just give some confidence. It used him as the mouthpiece and organizer of Islam. The Qu’ran took 23 years to create. For a man who was not educated this book shouldn’t exist. He became a great leader, and through him divine mercy was spread, people were unified under one God. A god of which is described in great detail in the Quran and Islamic thought to shows Islam is rooted high level understanding of Gods nature not easily attained by an average mind or human state of awareness. He came from essentially being ignored to creating Islam. Impossible feat. He is deserving of respect. As a leader he fought wars, but this was part of governance. Not being a warlord. The fact that he not only wrote the Quran but that he took part in governance is very profound.

@Leo Gura Islam has parables, stories, teachers, poems of which speak directly to the heart. Actualized is powerful, and its these teachings which assist in my relationship to the body of Islam. This is an important note. There is deep intelligence in actualized. But, there is not the same heart. Heart is something actualized does have. But, it’s not felt like I feel in works of Islam. Please be respectful, not for me, but to see that which I share with you as a nurturing perspective.

@kavaris Mohammad explicitly described and explained God. He said it is infinity. One God. I don’t think you have a deep grasp of Islam, the different types of study, practice or mystics.

The audiobook I am listening to is called: Secrets of Divine Love, A spiritual Journey into the Heart of Islam by A. Helwa. It’s a beautiful book.

@LordFall I’m not saying go and become a Muslim. @Leo Gura Your teachings do not stir the heart like those of Sufi mystics for me. But, they are intellectual. Not including psychedelics. I cat puke on your cat puke. 🤮 What I am saying here is nuanced. I’m not saying become a Muslim. Well, actually I am saying be a true Muslim in a way. 😄 Anyway, I’m inspired by all religions. I know what I’m feeling and saying is wise as I studying many perspectives. I am not religious and I don’t adopt all the culturally specific things or modes of practices. But, there is profound wisdom and love in Islam. This is despite cultural and developmental issues of many of its followers. Also, despite anti Islamic rhetoric that is popularized in the west.

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I realized I look at religions through the eyes of a “multi-faith” or “Intregral meta theory” lens. But, I’m blown away by the quaran, Islam, Sufism, words of-the prophet peace be upon him. Islam is a beautiful religion. Its explanation of God is very accurate. Also, I discovered there is teachings of the heart in Islam that I think align with Qigong and findings of the heart math institute. If you value Actualized there is a lot within Islamic teachings that are of value to you. Actualized is very similar to Islam in many ways. Actualized is more modern, advanced more individualistic and perhaps immature. The heart of Islam though glows brighter than Actualized. This I have felt.

“Islam can be summarized in three sentences: Be with the Creator, without creation. Be with creation, without ego. Wish for others what you wish for yourself.” — Shaykh Zakariya al-Siddiqui I’ve been listening to a book about Islam. Islam is more advanced than @Leo Gura is giving credit for. It’s right about god, self purification and many things. It seems self aware from this book, that there is a difference between the religion and the truth. I suspect not all muslims are as advanced as the author of the book I listen to. The core of islam’s understanding of God is essentially true. People have many views about Islam but we wouldn’t have modern science without Islamic scholars. There are many Muslim mystics which are great and an abundance of love and wisdom is Islam. Saying it’s designed for pre-rational minds is not the take away I’m getting from this audiobook..

“Islam can be summarized in three sentences: Be with the Creator, without creation. Be with creation, without ego. Wish for others what you wish for yourself.” — Shaykh Zakariya al-Siddiqui