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@Skin-encapsulatedego No they are not a distraction, but can be. For example the insights from 5meo or LSD have given me insights into creativity, body awareness, forgiveness, God, Mental models, paradigm shifts, etc none of which I could have had otherwise. They are not a distraction (though at times misleading for me... but that is because of my own level of developmental structure, lack of maturity etc) psychs are essentially tools to be used like any other spiritual tool. I think our culture doesn't understand them and the fear of being 'high on drugs' , dualism and 'war of drugs' mentality, fear of being seen as a 'drug user' all make it more challenging. Not to mention the immaturity that comes from recreational psychedelic use in pop culture... I think ultimately it is up to you and how you use them in your life. If 'just in time learning' was a thing in personal development, there may be times that doing a psych is a good idea, and times when it is a distraction. Your level of awareness and self knowledge will determine this.

I relate to this. Trust that these feelings are a guidance towards a new light!

@somegirl Personally, I don't think so. I would imagine that the best and most sustainable systems are built upon truth, systems thinking and ecology. Does the sun and moon lie to the earth? No... It just holds it in place and has done so for billions of years. I think that evil, lies and manipulation can likely last a relatively long time, however not forever or 'long' when compared to what a society can do with the right foundations of 'Truth' in place. I think that life on the planet wants to evolve its consciousness and in the long run humanity wants order and justice because it wants to survive. (though corruption is also created by low conscious survival needs). Lies and corruption wear away at the stability of large systems, words lose their meanings, mental health declines... Of course its case by case... In order for any group of people to successfully get along there needs to be some coherency in their world views. Different situation call for different types of survival strategy. Also, it might not be obvious to the people are are doing the manipulating and lying that they are even doing so. Take certain religions and secular views that are cognitively dissonant and. Who is to say what is evil and what is good when things end up in a grey area? From what you described I would say that that kind of system wouldn't last long. A system with no balance isn't going to be able to last compared to one based on truth.

@xxxx I use moments like this to learn more about myself and others and to grow more compassionate. I relate though... guilt and shame are things I work with as well. As well as the fear of hurting people again. The most powerful thing I do, is give myself that Love. That love I wonder if I deserve anymore because I was mean, I wonder 'do I deserve love'? You deserve love. That guilt you feel is only a signal to listen to, self correct and keep going!

@meow_meow For me after this past year of inner work, Yoga, Reading, Contemplating, Qigong, psychedelics etc. I am finding self inquiry and journaling to be absolutely crucial. The field of potential is huge. A problem I have with where you are in this post (I have been here before) is that you don't know what you don't know. I have had many awakenings and I never could have seen them coming. This beast, this maze of life is so huge that if I am going to get from where I am, both materially, socially and spiritually I see that asking and answering high quality questions is crucial. To really wrap your mind around this... it's A LOT Sometimes it looks like trying a stretch, or a practice, a food.... There is layers to this shit. Insights feel really good and are one of the fruits of just being alive. So don't quit! Eureka moments are amazing. Which honestly, If. I am going to be on this earth for the next 70 years.... There is so much new stuff to discover. Let the awakenings unfold how they will. The more you read, practice and experience the more you will realize it is worth it. Sure, there well be challenges. Sometimes a trip can start rough, but can get sweet once the egos in the room dissolve and love comes in. I don't believe that there is one solid enlightenment but varying degrees and kinds of enlightenment. I think enlightenment can be a goal, but it won't be that image you have in your mind that is for sure. Especially if like me you are still working through neurosis and inaccurate models of reality. There is a lot of spiritual gold out there for sure. Alan Watts is good, but direct experience is king.

@Mindfang413 In order for consciousness to be everything, it has to be 'Nothing'. It's the ultimate shape shifter. Non-existences doesn't exist ahaha @OctagonOctopus Relativity and ego do exist

I just rewatched Leos videos on developing self trust, and setting proper expectations! Very useful.

Hmm, No Leo dreams Other than real Dream Leo. I definitely had to, and still ponder the metaphysics of Leo Gura. And metaphysics of human experience in general

@28 cm unbuffed I think there is value in no fap, but I still have energy after a good nut n tugger

I watched some of Leo's recent videos where he talks about how on psychedelics that our insights are true, and that we can physically manifest things into reality. This may be true to the absolute being, but I have not found this to be true in my direct experience. Some insights are useful, others are misleading. Have you ever manifested anything by doing a psychedelic?

@Michael569 I totally agree. I have a feeling this will be far more lucrative too! @OctagonOctopus Thank you my friend! Hope you are doing well. Send me some music for my content when u can! @Rilles Thank you! I am bootstrapping and working to build an infrastructure using Passion.io as well. I will be journal couch in your pocket here in a few weeks.

I started out of this journey 4 or 5 years ago. I have taken the life purpose course, read a good chunk of the reading list and delved into my own personal research, inner work, self education/ spiritual practice. I am still learning, groping and figuring things out to create the good life. It felt amazing to see the smile on my client's face and to feel the energy of having helped someone install a life changing routine into their life. I have 10 more clients this week, I am learning from each one, taking notes and setting up my information sharing infrastructure. I am a holistic Journaling coach. (I focus on the journalling practice but have an integral understanding of other personal growth/ spiritual practices.) I am forever grateful to Leo and others on the forum! Good luck with your self actualization path. We are all in this together! Sending love to the universe! excuse any typos I wrote this out of excitement!

@OctagonOctopus I think so. Listening to it and then acting upon your intuition! Suffering is part of life, but it can be relieved. I will find my balance upon the slippery earth.. How do I add a little quote under my posts?

@Bojan V Thank you! @Moon Thank you!

I'd love to peak into that brain of yours ahaha

@An young being How do you feel? Death is part of the process. But come on dude, that like ONE thing about the WHOLE PLANET. sure it created death, which is just change.

@Pookie They have been illegal and fringe for a long time. But, people are discovering them and I have experienced it now directly. Gaia is the mother... She gives us consciousness. Just like we eat food, or drink water we are made of it. So you have to put it in you ahahah But, Psychedelics are multifaceted. I still don't understand reality or what is going on... But I am aware not that the current social paradigm which grew up in is low vibrational.

@OctagonOctopus Maybe its my brain type but I feel super super sometimes overly active and curious on psychedelics... Sometimes I want to chill. But I am so hungry for alignment to end the suffering so experimenting, turning over EVER FUCKING STONE UNTIL I WAKE UP!!!! It's like, "monday, tuesday, wednesday thursday, friday saturday sometimes sunday, Love is hard, sex is easy God and Heaven Couldn't you please me. You think you invented life... you find it hard to define... but you do it everytime... so we do it again!!... Looking for signs of life..." this video sums up my life But I am learning so much and it's the non-physical puzzle I am experiencing for the first time.

@Leo Gura Imagine a 10 Billion perfectly shining crystals. We will call them people of earth! "Down on your knees bagging us please praying that we don't exist...We exist! ah! nah nah nah nah nah nah nah!!

@Leo Gura Okay, and? I mean... and. hehehe

Yo, I just discovered Qigong! It's healing my spine and my energy... FUCK YEAAAA! I SPENT YEARS LOOKING FOR THIS 5meodmt and qigong and like broooos uhhhhh cleans me of my sicknessss ahhhhh https://videoclasses.holdenqigong.com/qi-gong-for-a-healthy-spine I felt like the more 5meo I did the more I was like.... developing awareness into my body... and I realized how much pain my spine is in, how much tension is in my body... I was really aching and aching.. I had no energy release practice because 5meodmt is essentially energy work. This it. I also do yoga and meditation but this is it. Or a big part of it. Wow! Reclaim your body... https://www.waterislife.love/ this thing! https://mayuwater.com/ Also water! We are made of it! you gotta really shake the body. Man, I was in a dead body what the hell? The nervous system is like rewiring woah!!

@Leo Gura Honestly, even this reply has made me feel a lot better about my relationship to you. Thank you brother!

@Leo Gura Respect on the Leo reply. Adeptus...I don't know if he is ready to listen listen to you. You two don't have a lot of trust right now.

@Carl-Richard I am trying to figure that out. Maybe I am getting too caught up in the content of reality. Just working to integrate and understand myself. I asked Leo an outrageous question today after a trip and I was like huh,. Well. Glad I am asking hehehh @Rilles I know right hehe