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To understand Qi, you need a totally different paradigm. This paradigm however, is open to western science and complements it. But, it’s harder for westerners to go towards Chinese medicine due to biases around gold standards of proof like double blind placebo study. That’s great for allopathic medicine applied to groups… but terrible for the individual in many cases. Especially when it comes to treating diseases imagined up in the DSM.. Placebo works because of Qi. Qi is mind, body and consciousness. All reductionist ontological pieces are Qi. Chinese medicine didn’t come out of the west. So, why would the west with its reductionist, physical, where there is smoke there is fire, allopathic approach which is generally powerful and useful in some obvious things like injury, disease, vaccines, etc take on this idea of Qi which is epistemologically dense, different and confusing and Qi not being “ a thing”….?? Yet, Chinese medicine is holistic and views the mind body as a garden which requires holistic tending to for health. Health is looked at more from a preventative lens, and maintain a vitality, a balance of the mind body system. The Qi is there. You are Qi.

Depends on your context and vantage point. Qi is life force energy. So, aren’t they both alive? Don’t western and Chinese people have energy? Metabolism? Thoughts? Emotions? The ability to grow? Maintain equilibrium? Stress? Relaxation? Pain? Pleasure? Circadian rhythms? We all have Qi. Just because a donkey has no idea of an atom doesn’t mean it isn’t made of them. The western reductionist breaks it down into pieces which is actually a false thing to do. Though, useful obviously is certain contexts. Qi considers the totality and the whole happening and intelligence of the living organisms and universe.

Yes, this is true. But both westerners and Chinese are alive. Both westerners and Chinese have Qi as they are both alive. Chinese Medicine and Western science are very différent. But, complimentary. A large part of my interest in life is understanding Chinese Medicine, Western Medicine, and Aryuvedic medicine. Each have strengths and weaknesses. Each have different applications, challenges and areas of applications and context. You could say Qi is less of a belief for me as a Qigong teacher than an atom is for me. I can feel and work with my Qi daily. But, I believe atoms but don’t see them. Chinese Medicine is holistic. The Tao in particular gobble up everything that works into its systems. When I read books on Toaist nutrition it integrates Chinese toaist nutrition and western nutrition science. An atom…. Is Qi. Qi is not a particular thing. It’s the result of many things. An Atom is the results of materialistic reduction. Qi, is a view looking at holistic systems, and overall balance of the system. It’s not so much breaking everything down into components but looking at the whole. Qi, is a holistic notion. Atom, is reductionistic.

Qi is objectively real to a Chinese medicine doctor. and an atom is real to a physicist.

When Leo was listing his cringy things that post modernists say I had a lot of interesting insights, nuances, and thoughts about them. I don’t know if I’ll be able to right now with my current to do list go very deep into it but I could think of interesting contexts that made those quotes true. Many of them but not all of them. Also, I realize that a lot of these post modernist thinkers were intertwined with things like Freud, toxic feminism. Etc. Also, it’s important to realize the time and context of these quotes. Because even the term “objective” is used by egos at pre-modern, modern and post modern in different ways where the ego can easily misuse this word consciously or unconsciously. When being gay is considered a mental illness objectively, or being black, or being shy, etc…. Yes questioning objectivity and the structural components of it are important. It makes me contemplate and realize how a concept of “What objectivity is” can be seen from above or below and with varied qualities and aspects. So, to maneuver through various truth claims it’s important to deconstruct, but also deeply under the perspective, time in history, context, survival concern, goal, developmental level, level of awakening, etc when considering what is or isn’t objective. What a man and a woman may call objective can be different because 99.9 of people are living in constructed understanding and have no access to absolute truth.

Deepseek thinks it’s ChatGPT

That post modernist quote near the end was mind boggling. I didn't understand it and I still don't. I need to go and look up definitions of some of the words and then contemplate it. Leo, I don't know how you ever grasped any of what you are talking about...

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I hope everyone can enjoy using the forum, sharing ideas, growing and developing. Stay well everyone. Mods, Users, and Leo I think we are all growing and developing. This is why I enjoy spending time here. What is strength? What is masculinity? What is leadership? What is high quality communication? What is emotional regulation? What is respect? I think this is the question here with regards to Noselfself, and for all Mods, users and leaders. Hopefully, this leads to growth.

@Candle Hi Candle, don't derail this thread.

@Leo Gura Oops, right.

@OBEler Thank you good sir!

@LostSoul Worth looking into the type of trip you want to have and what you feel comfortable doing. You can plug or vape freebase. Not sure it needs to be in the fridge though... pretty sure room temperature is fine just keep it out of direct sunlight. There may be other considerations. Good luck looking into it.

Better than a Van Gogh! At least you can eat a banana.

@Buck Edwards There is a difference between different types of breathing. Normally you breath how you should assuming you aren’t holding chronic stress. Most breathing techniques shouldn’t be don’t 24-7 but just for the desired effect.

That’s definitely not the tail of the elephant.

That makes sense. Being in an elevator with an angry person would be scary. Compared to 10 black calm people, or 10 calm people of any race.

@Something Funny High temperature is good unless you have extreme temperature or health problems.

@ryanajay Please don’t post in all caps and change the title.

@Davino Please change your title from all caps.

Too late

@Hardkill I really don't know. I just know there were reports of voter suppression before the election, and now after.

@The Crocodile Careful with posting this sort of garbage.

@Breakingthewall Um, that’s your own projection on me. Him being 80 is only focusing on him not all the people taking control with him.