Thought Art

Reading Leo’s blog post reminded me that…. These substances are for my personal use. I do not promote or encourage people to try them. If people feel inclined to try them that’s their risk. In my early use I fell into many traps I will not discuss here because I know what they are, have contemplated deeply why I fell into these mistakes and have created protocols, and the wisdom to avoid such mistakes in the future. Some tips I found include: 1. Create a safety pre trip protocol list you read before tripping 2. Integrate trips 3. Don’t trip around people unless they know what you are doing 4. Don’t make any decisions while tripping 5. Make sure the pipe isn’t too close to the tripping location 6. Simply so low doses 7. If you are smoking weed chronically, that is a sign to be extra cautious. Psychedelics are not like weed. Totally different beast they will fuck you up. Remember, it only takes one weird decision or mistake while tripping to ruin relationships, lose body parts, jobs, and even your life. It is deeply embarrassing, and totally not worth the trip at ALL if it ruins your life. For these reasons as well, don’t share these substances with others no matter how great you think they are. Even if people ask you for them, or want to trip with you. As a general rule, for 99% of people unless you have deep trust… no. These are dangerous substances. That being said, mistakes may and likely will happen. Learn from these lessons and become a mature, stable pschonaut if that is what you are called to do. Share wise protocols in psychedelic circles.

I like to vape it. Can come on really strong though. I like that however if I’ve done lots of prep, a fast deep dive is nice. But, prefer snorting. Vape pens can let you ease in, but be careful ahaha. You can sip a vape pen. Like a baby sip and then put it down and feel. But, chances are it’s already deeper than you thought. When I use a vape pen I usually just take one deep inhale, hand it to my friend., It can be a very powerful, overwhelming and frightening experience. It’s so radically different and paradoxical at first. Your not used to swimming in such deep water it can feel like the end, how could anything happen after this? But, that’s the paradox of it all. Sorry sort of rambling Yes, vaping is likely to cause trauma more than other methods. As it comes in so fast

@OBEler yeesh, who trip hurt you?

@Alfonsoo A bad trip, or a bad part of a trip can teach you a lot. My most recent mushroom trip lead me to realizing the groundlessness of human communication and how ripe and full everyone here is if their own limited experiences, projections, and maps of symbolic language. Most people here are clueless to the depth in which they walk in. This isn’t an insult but it’s true. You have no idea how deeply full of shit you are, and how deep, nuanced and multiperspetival, infinite, multifaceted, open to infinite interpretation reality is. You project, assume, think you understand, feel you are right, believe in your opinions, believe in those you gave authority too… etc but it’s all a house of cards. The depth of self deception and ignorance that is omnipresent throughout society is terrifying and makes you puke. Very few could stomach how twisted it is. I also saw how people grow, change, have insights, awakenings, learn, change, grow, and move closers to truth and God as they continue to work. But, that was easy, sort of. it was challenging because I was contemplating all of humanity, all at once. As myself. Then, I had to accept the unacceptable about reality, consciousness, humanity. I have to look at the unacceptable, and integrate it into myself and learn to love it. I realized that a state of consciousness exist when consciousness can’t accept itself, and that too is fully accepted by God. I realized a major part of my purpose is to share self acceptance, self care, and self love.

@Scholar Don’t be so sure What are you, inside Leo’s skull? Idk, maybe God realization is simply non-linear, not understood rationally, can’t be proven or explained, makes no sense to human survival based existence, is completely useless, can’t be explained through language from “one human to another”, I have a question for you. What a awakening experiences do you have? How deeply have you contemplated infinity, consciousness, paradox, truth, being, reality? Honestly, you are right. When you realize God… you’ll probably just be like “Yeah, lame, so so”. Leo is just saying, when you have your God Realization you will be awestruck. God, being in loving Awe with itself. Because obviously ahaha but it’s not obvious until you experience it. Reality is an amazing thing. You are an amazing thing you just can’t see it with a calcified and overly skeptical, rational egoic filter on everything. Likely, you can experience Awe if you are learning and being here on the forum.

@ZenAlex That’s not really what he did. He twisted things to fit his frame. Then at the end was like “Yeah, it’s not really a cult and people seem to leave mostly positive comments and the forum is very active” like what?

Breaking through, ah, what a wonderful thing

No magic numbers will win you an easy life

What makes a good man? 1. Taking responsibility for their actions 2. Doing the work to overcome their toxic masculinity, shadow, trauma, 3. whether you lead or follow, you do it with integrity 4. You respect the consent and boundaries of other men, women and children. 5. You do not abuse others emotionally, physically or sexually 6. You take your education, personal development and spirituality seriously 7. You respect your community 8. You act from a place of love, wisdom, intelligence and integrity 9. You have your shit together: skills, finances, emotional mastery, healing work 10. You are acting in a way to lift up those around you. You create a safe space. 11. You have stage green/ tier 2 view on other people, cultures 12. You are able to self reflect, and improve when you make mistakes 13. You lead your brothers through the darkness of our current era to higher ground 14. You are a good partner, father 15. You have deep roots, and are dependable. 16. You life and act intentionally 17. You love your brothers and sisters (humanity) 18. You provide authentic value to the world… you do not scam, cheat and leech 19. You love yourself 20. Strong sense of boundaries, assertive, strong, high self efficacy and self esteem 21. High emotional, social and adversity intelligence 22. Ability to balance intuition and critical thinking 23. Relatively honest with self and others 24. Forgives and understands the mistakes and shortfalls of his brothers around the world and in difficult circumstances 25. Sees a positive and constructive vision for the future

@Mips Well, you can enjoy a movie even if you know it’s actors. I still enjoy friends and family. Not using psychedelics is fine. You can also try them when you want. Or not. If reality is just consciousness then… well… What do you think about psychedelics? Why do you want to awaken? I think it’s unique to you really.

Yes. I don’t know 100% but I would treat it as a scam.

Hmm, I am wondering here. I don’t know what to say to you. You can realize that all you see, hear, feel, taste and see around you is made of consciousness. You sort of need to grok it yourself. I found DMT to be useful for this. this video helps too

Locking because this is useless. Let’s focus on constructive threads. There is very little use in debating “what is awareness” “what is consciousness” “what is awakening”. It generally leads to projections bouncing off projections, different vocabulary and experiential data sets that don’t interface adequately. You need to really do the work for yourself. I am locking this just because at this point it’s best to start anything you wanna discuss on a clean slate.

@axiom appearance is consciousness in my words, and it’s not just mear dumb appearance. It’s absolute intelligence. Collapse it all at once

@AsafTheMagniv Or you can but it’s a paradox

@axiom That’s not what I mean by consciousness. By consciousness I mean absolute being. Consciousness = God = Truth = infinity = love

@axiom what does consciousness mean to you?

Imagine we weren’t speaking about any person here, but what the universes potential is for consciousness

@AsafTheMagniv Yes, I am in a dream right now because I am not in an awakened state.

@AsafTheMagniv You are God now. You just don’t know what God is. In terms of my human life, yeah here we are. But, this is a dream. You are God dreaming up reality.

@AsafTheMagniv Yes, but in terms of total awakening… your survival is this mask or game you are playing as a human. You are not a human. You are God. But, you are playing human. This is fine. Awakening and God realization is a domain of reality that transcends survival. There are aspects of awakening which can help improve life. But, also many aspects which are useless. You have to want to pursue truth for its own sake. Yes, in many ways as a human I am working on my life. But, I know that this is just a game I am playing and awakening as Leo describes it is beyond the human and has more to do with raw consciousness and God realization.

@AsafTheMagniv No, awakening has nothing to do with survival. I some ways, developing insight, more consciousness, more emotional mastery, clarity, sober mindedness, clear seeing, etc are all great. But, there are degrees of awakening that transcend all this… that are timeless. Impossible to imagine.

@AsafTheMagniv Maybe Not sure awakening really has anything to do with improvement I don’t think you know what enlightenment and awakening is. I think it goes well beyond these Buddhist ideas of awakening, or whatever. It goes beyond human existence, time, space, the idea of others and even service. I pro improving my life. But, I sense there are degrees of awakening which are not imaginable for many in the forum. Some of which I have experienced. There is no improvement in these states.

No, none of those dualities are "what this place is caught up in" that is such a gross over simplification. God Vs Ego? Truth Vs lie? Etc How is that anything to do with what we are talking bout here? I mean they are tangentially. But, we aren't here spouting dualities off one another.

@Frosty97 Sure