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This song has some of my favorite song lyrics of all time "Yes, to dance beneath the diamond sky with one hand waving free Silhouetted by the sea, circled by the circus sands With all memory and fate driven deep beneath the waves Let me forget about today until tomorrow"

This thread has my Truth oriented song writings spirit in a frazzle! Soon! Hahaha SOON YOU WILL KNOW MY SONG. hehe

@StyxNStone I mean, the voice is ai generated and so is the beat, melody, and the structure of the songs? All the EQ, mixing, etc, It's an AI generated song given your prompts and inputs and taste. Nothing against it! Just seeking clarity. I thought it was you who produced the whole thing at first and then I listend to another one and it was like, a professional rapper. Nice work man.

@Leo Gura It's AI?

@integral Placebo is extremely aligned when truth when it’s used with integrity. Please note: You haven’t proven or disproven the efficacy of these chairs. They could be great for promoting the bodies healing if they nourish the Qi.

5meodmt more more enlightening than is comfortable.

This is true of any healing modality. However, authentic energy healing can play a role in helping the entire body heal itself. Because, that's what the body does in most circumstances, barring extreme diseases. If you are going to use a hammer, don't use it to screw in a light bulb. (however healing isn't as simple as screwing in a light bulb). I am not a new ager but I am studying a 5000 year old history of Chinese medicine. Which, is actually in many ways far more holistic than most western healing modalities. Now, Pendants and chairs? 500$? I mean... probably not guys. I don't know anything about it. The body does of a highly complex, and FOUNDATIONAL "bioelectrical" system. The truth is, energetic healing is a holistic modality and deserves respect and openness to do the research around it. Now, does this chair work? I don't know.

@integral Well, did you sit in the chair? When it comes to Energy healing, placebo, etc... What's tricky is that: 1. There is a lot of bullshit 2. You don't know enough to tell the difference. Energy healing, has a lot of promise. But, it's not an easy thing to develop skill or knowledge in. There is energy healing going back 5000+ years in China. It's not all newage. In fact, I think of lot of you guys meditating would benefit from Pranayama and Qigong which are Energy working practices. I've been studying with Dr. Yang Jwing Mind to deeper understand Qigong through Chinese and western perspectives. There is legitimacy there. Qi, is a real thing and learning about it could help you. However, I personally know nothing about this chair. I post this because it's important to make fine distinctions. Placebo is a real thing and wise person would knowingly use it. Placebo is far more profound and powerful, than it's given credit for. Which is why people control for it, and struggle to make medications that out perform it. As westerners, there is a new healing paradigm forming. But, how we sort through it... that's going to be tricky.

So dogmatic!

@Leo Gura I agree with you. This has been an odd conversation for me. I am pretty familiar with your work. The idea of Truth, consciousness and actuality being God is my framing and orientation. I recognize, though I don’t fully understand it that my hands are Gods hands. 5meodmt, nnDMT experiences helped with that recontextualization.

@Leo Gura

Your point is coming off as slippery. I am not sure we know where we are going with this.

@puporing Are you saying I need to realize I am Jesus Christ? I have had an awakening like this. I just didn't let it go to my head. I took, whatever that was and I wanted to boil that love into something that wasn't dogmatic... and I just taught Qigong.

So, your point is God communicates to itself, in awakenings, in a myriad of diverse and novel ways? Unique to the person, the substance, etc?

I will contemplate what is precisely or isn't precisely Ego. However, notice how Language does has connections to Ego which can't fully be separated. Well, consider what you consider a loss of Ego, isn't complete. States of consciousness exist where there is no language or even memory of being human. So, we are discussing, more human types states where the mind is still contemplating, still active as a human. It would be a mistake to assume I am reducing consciousness down to formless abstraction. I have no problem with what you are saying here. I don't understand @puporing or not nature of "I am the second coming of Christ". Perhaps, for them this is something genuine. I admit to applying what I learned from "Integral Metatheory" to understand her. Yes, Genuine awakening, but it's a particular type of awakening due to their of growing up, waking up, etc, and how these meet. But, we have an issue here. You speak of Christianity of a social construct, yet it seems like you are also saying... Well, it's all God. Which is true. But, without a social construct, how would God communicate to a human? Seems impossible. @Leo Gura This is something I don't understand. If God is consciousness, why would it need a medium to operate through? The only reason it would have to do that is because in this current state, as a human, I have limitations and constraints put in place right? To keep this dream consistent. Something isn't adding up here. Good night.

I've had DMT peaks that were beyond language. I mean, I can't really remember because it's so strange. But, I've seen that this is my own mind. Totally, crazy wild. Just, amazing experiences that showed me my infinite intelligence. Spiraling shapes, geometric orbits and Aztec faces melting all time and matter into itself. But, was there English in that super mind? or did I use English afterward? I am not sure. DMT is, something else. I know what I've seen with DMT, and I really can't do it for years I think because it's so jarring and extreme. But, it did show me something I can't deny. My mind, my consciousness is God. I am alone the one who dreams. I mean, it's so obvious in those states. But, it's also so perfectly constructed and seamless that other might as well exist. "(I know so well that this is all there is)".

@puporing Okay. I am right here.

@puporing Okay, Christ. Higher state. I'll stay open minded. I really am still learning. It doesn't make sense to me, that a higher awakening would be an ego.

@puporing If you are referring to a state as Christ? How would you describe it? Compassion, love? Oneness with God? Or, are you Christ the man, the legend. See, when you say that to me I am thinking... What aspect of social construction, from what framing are you saying you are "Christ". Because, in human existence, there is Billions of Years before "Christ" which things existed, lived and died. So, It's not possible we all came from Christ because Christ would have had to come from Infinity just like every other finite thing. Christ, is less interesting to me than God. When I experience infinity, the absolute, perfection, infinite love, immortality... I don't think or identify it with Christ. I just think it's myself. Idk. It's just my own mind. I've existed for eternity and I am just dreaming. This, mysterious existence which is here. For some reason. The fact that it's a field is really boggling to me. I'd like to contemplate that more.

@puporing Okie dokie. I just told you, I am sharing my perspective. I frankly don't think you are at a higher state of consciousness. I just don't see how you've demonstrated it. Unless, it's entirely implicit. But, what am I to gain in doubting you? My own perspective and how I actually think about the things you say and do. I personally, have no idea what you experience. But, you act like you are at this higher point of awareness than everyone here... But, how would you know that? You don't. You are using Christ name to boost your ego, in my view, perhaps. Or, maybe there is something else going on. I really don't know.

@Leo Gura I am using Ego in terms of my particular collection of database, and my mental filters, including culture, language, etc. Do they come to me in English? Or, am I interpreting through English? God isn't talking to me as some other. I've never had a conversation with God. I just have my own thoughts and experiences. This does raise interesting points. I am Truth, I speak English. So, it's all paradoxically equally true? I guess, I don't really get your point. Everything is God's mind. There isn't really escaping that. There is pure mind and how pure mind expresses itself to finite minds in awakenings can come in many forms. I prefer to teach Qigong than preach of how I am Jesus Christ. My love is direct for those who practice with me. I don't need to preach or convert. @puporing I have no interest in being your teacher. I think you are identifying with a finite mental construction. But, you can do as you please. This seems to bring you meaning and is personal to you. My views and points are different. I have no interest in coddling that while also not meaning disrespect. Do I believe this person is literally "the second coming of Christ"? I mean, what does that even mean? Do you think people should pray to you or bow to you? Why does being Christ matter? What about the thousands of other second comings of Christ walking around?

@Leo Gura Yeah? I've never had God speak to me personally. My mystical experiences tend to be... more direct. Mystical experiences are laden with Ego, unless you completely and utterly break through. For example, DMT experiences are far beyond Christ. I can't put DMT into words. But, it's earth shattering when the whole universe folds in on itself and recognizes it's imagining the entire room and starts folding in and out and around into aztec masks and shapes in Hyper HD. Total non-dual infinity and complete understanding is beyond Christ. Ever reach that nasty little paradox that you don't exist? Damn. But, sure there are many mystical experiences for Christians, or any religion. God speaks your language. But those are low level awakenings in my opinion. Awakenings in a dress. That is aspects of ego. Ken Wilbur speaks of this in "Finding Radial Wholeness". You can have mystical experiences of nature, christ, etc. These are genuine awakenings. But they aren't the highest awakening, like "Pure Taste" or other non-dual states. They aren't God consciousness. I am humble, I've had awakenings but I am still integrating and developing a deeper maturity and mastery of my consciousness. I know there is still a lot for me to understand. I am really just getting started.

@Leo Gura Yeah, because people who never heard of Christ are known to have Christ awakenings... Right. When you awaken, or have mystical experience your data base is often mixed into it. That's a tangent or aspect of your ego. If Christ wasn't a part of your data base, why would you have that? Also, there are degrees of awakening. God is infinite. Christ, is finite aspect of collective and individual ego. Now, it's all God. That fine! Like, you can't escape that Christ is God. Rat is God. I am the second coming of Rat.