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Here is an article saying they claim to do a public execution by firing squad. Can’t help but feel this is a regression… https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/oct/09/pete-hegseth-public-execution-nidal-hasan-capital-sentences

@Elliott Is that a real comparison you actually thought was legit?

Justice for Peachy.

@Majed I think that’s not true. Christianity isn’t true. If you left your keys at home but were SURE you brought them, doesn’t make it true. I think what your saying is post modern. Not all perspectives are true. Sure they may be actual in that they exist. But, that’s no measure of truthfulness or accurate representation of reality. I am not sure a dogs perspective compared to a humans translates to a Christian vs say, Leo. That they are all true. A dog doesn’t have a belief in things which don’t exist generally. It’s a simple creature that doesn’t really have a world view to defend. But, comparing humans perspectives is different because we are all sense making with similar brains. A scientists who believes marshmallows are orange is simply wrong if they are white. His perspective may be actual, but it’s not true. I spoke to a schizophrenic who thought he was a top secret agent. He wasn’t, his perspective was false. It was actual, but I would not use the word true in English. Now, if I am a Christian will I view the world as a Christian? Yes I will. But to me that’s not a matter of truthfulness. That’s like a frame, or operating system. That’s all accurate to me. To me that’s the problem of identity, because if being a Christian is your top value your whole life then TRUTH Isn’t your highest value and your whole life is then lived in falsehood because you don’t care about truth… you care about your pet religion. Also, we don’t have proof every Christian views the world as a Christian. We are assuming. I know that sounds odd but a label is shallow. Human minds are messy and complex. It may not be "ultimately True" but safe, and sure. You may have deep doubts but fail to explore them.

Clearly, being human and having a higher mind that can even ask what God is, and awaken to it and having teachers to teach me is intelligent design.

Personally, I think contemplating why a human experience and not some other finite experience is worthy of questioning and wanting an answer. I won’t be teased out of that. There is juice there because it has to do with will, discernment, and choice or lack there of of infinity. In a proof of Leo’s I think he says God is that with infinite creative sovereignty. So, what’s going on here. Why this stable human experience. I think that if you knew this question you’d be God. Like, why say "You can’t know" if you never tried to know. To know how God create something is pure metaphysics.

If you guys come across any songs please share them!

@Rafael Thundercat To collect songs that address lying. Sometimes in music and Art a lyric about lying can reveal truths about it. @Olaf Fair question. Mods can decide. I put it here because I felt it wasn’t purely off topic as lying, corruption, etc are part of personal development and the work we are doing. These songs could inspire contemplation, insight, or creativity. We are swimming in a sea of lies right now. Might as well sing about it. If people want it in off topic, I concede for sure.

1. Ragged Wood by Fleet Foxes Come down from the mountain, you have been gone too long The spring is upon us, follow my only song Settle down with me by the fire of my yearning You should come back home, back on your own now The world is alive now, in and outside our home You run through the forest, settle before the sun Darling, I can barely remember you beside me You should come back home, back on your own now You should come back home, back on your own now In the evening light, when the woman of the woods came by To give to you the word of the old man In the morning tide, when the sparrow and the seagull fly And Johnathan and Evelyn get tired Lie to me if you will At the top of Beringer Hill Tell me anything you want Any old lie will do Call me back to you Back to you Lie to me if you will At the top of Beringer Hill Tell me anything you want Any old lie will do Call me back to you Back to you Back to you Back to you Back to you Back to you 2. For Emma by Bon Iver So apropos Saw death on a sunny snow For every life Forgo the parable Seek the light My knees are cold Running home, running home, running home, running home Go find another lover To bring a-, to string along! With all your lies You're still very lovable I toured the light, so many foreign roads For Emma, forever ago

How low are you willing to go Before you reach all your selfish goals Punch line after punch line Leaving us sore, leaving us sore Absorbed in your ill hustling Feeding a monster, just feeding a monster Invasion after invasion This means war, this means war Someday you'll be up to your knees In the shit you see All the gullible that you mislead Won't be up or it Where to, will you relocate Now that it's war, now that it's war

No way No way (wasn't me) Baby, no way Alright Honey came in and she caught me red-handed Creepin' with the girl next door Picture this, we were both butt naked Bangin' on the bathroom floor How could I forget that I had given her an extra key? All this time she was standin' there She never took her eyes off me How you fi give the woman access to your villa? Trespasser and a witness, all the hacklin' a yuh pillow You better watch your back before she turn into a killa Best review the situation that you caught up inna To be a true player, you haffi know how fi play If she say, "A night, " convince her seh a day Never admit to a word weh she say And if she claim a you, tell her, "Baby, no way" No way No way Baby, no way But she caught me on the counter Saw me bangin' on the sofa (wasn't me) I even had her in the shower She even caught me on camera (wasn't me) Saw the marks on my shoulder Heard the words that I told her (wasn't me) Heard the screams gettin' louder She stayed until it was over (wasn't me) (Over) Honey came in and she caught me red-handed Creepin' with the girl next door Picture this, we were both butt naked Bangin' on the bathroom floor How could I forget that I had given her an extra key? All this time she was standin' there She never took her eyes off me Mek she know seh that she really n'ave no right fi vex A never you she see a make the gigolo flex A s'maddy else weh favor you inna di complex Seein' is believin', so you better change your specs You know she a go bring a wuleap a things up from the past All the likkle evidence, you betta know fi mask Quick 'pon yuh answer, know how fi talk But if she pack a gun, you betta run fast But she caught me on the counter Saw me bangin' on the sofa (wasn't me) I even had her in the shower She even caught me on camera (wasn't me) Saw the marks on my shoulder Heard the words that I told her (wasn't me) Heard the scream gettin' louder Stayed until it was over (wasn't me) (Over) I'm gonna tell her that I'm sorry for the pain that I've caused I've been listenin' to your reasonin', it makes no sense at all I need to tell her that I'm sorry for the pain that I've caused You may think that you're a player, but you're completely lost Honey came in and she caught me red-handed Creepin' with the girl next door (wasn't me) Picture this, we were both butt naked Bangin' on the bathroom floor How could I forget that I had given her an extra key? All this time she was standin' there She never took her eyes off me (wasn't me) (Over) (Over) Wasn't me

Can I believe you? Can I believe you? Can I ever know your mind? Am I handing you mine? Do we both confide? I see it, eat through every word I sow See what you need to, do you doubt it's yours? Now I'm learning the ropes never get this close I've been wounded before Hasn't let me go It never got less strange Showing anyone just a bare face If I don't, well, nothing will change Staying under my weather all day Can I believe you when you say I'm good? I didn't need to when I wished you would No, it isn't enough Never held that much Now another way up Been a row too rough It never got less strange Showing anyone just a bare face But if I don't, well, nothing will change Staying under my weather all day Lately I'm wondering too What type of desire I can break When I'm one way with them, one with you What half is it of me rearranged? Can I believe you? Can I believe you? I want to need you I want to need you Can I believe you? Can I believe you?

@Leo Gura So, why am I this way in my relative totality is too unimportant for God? What is God busy doing dishes or something? Jk I don’t buy it. You don’t know why, and maybe that’s okay. I don’t know why. Does God even know? To me, this seems like a fundamental question and an aspect of "what the hell is reality". Because if you can’t figure out why reality is the way it is… it’s not omniscient because you’d imagine as a human an omniscient awakening would explain finite human reality. Also, to grasp Gods will would also explain this.

Basically everything physical does. But, it’s an intelligence centre. A calculator is not. You would need to contemplate the sameness and differences deeply for an adequate ontological category of these things.

That is interesting. I think if I could answer that my understand of God would be stronger. Actually, a state of true God Realization should reveal that. But, did it for you?

@Jirh No, that’s an oversimplification of what we run on. There’s sheathes or layers of what we run on. Hormonal, electrical, etc. The heart math institute has a pdf you can buy on the heart. It isn’t just running on electrical signals but like 8 different things.

I don’t think consciousness is an emergent phenomenon. I think the human sounding outputs of these AI models trick us into thinking it is sentient but it’s not. Living things are ontologically unique from machines and computers. This is obvious to me. Life self organizes and is rooted in primordial natural intelligence. Machines aren’t they are essentially organized minerals by humans which require human development. They don’t have sentient capacity. Like a rock, or electrical cable. I think it would be sloppy ontological categorization to place calculators and dogs in the same category of potential for sentience. Dogs are living things. A calculators is rocks with electricity. The complexity, and primordial self organizing power of animals especially those with brains and central nervous systems is not that of a calculator. Animals aren’t really machines. I realize as I am saying this I’m sort of contradicting and tripping over myself with consciousness being both the ground of reality and being an emergent phenomenon. I’ll have to reconcile this.

@Leo Gura That makes sense. My deepest trips seemed so final and total I wanted to come back to duality. I realized I was infinite and total and complete. But, my ego found that very disturbing. Yet, that still doesn’t explain why this particular dream. I’d like to be able to zoom out and swipe through other potential dreams, types of physics and dimensions. Just to see what’s options there are. Like, being to orgasmic carpets rubbing each other in a void or something for a bit.

Helps Canada too. Apparently Alberta Separatist bots are way less now.

It’s confusing why an infinite illusion is appearing as a logical, causal, physical survival scheme which involves emotions and suffering. The fact it’s an infinite illusion is something I’ll need more contemplation and awakening on. Though, to the degree I have had this awakening I am afraid of its implications. I’ve never had a complete awakening in “Why” and I have never heard a satisfactory answer from Leo on “Why” this way and not some other way.

It’s clear to me this is true in my experience. I just imagine a way which that wouldn’t be required. But, I admit clearly that isn’t the case. I see that suffering keeps us alive. I’ll keep contemplating this thank you. There is also a bias or demonization of suffering I’ve noticed that Atheists do as an argument against God. I can see how that isn’t a solid argument because how suffering keeps us alive. And, God doesn’t moralize. Atheists want God to moralize. Treating suffering as evil, is a bias a human has, which God doesn’t. That if God exists atheists will say God is evil. But, they ignore the good that exists in that argument and how suffering can often lead to growth.

I still think that suffering to keep you alive is arbitrary, if God is totally creative and powerful. God could just make you I intelligent in a way you don’t hurt yourself with no suffering. Or not create injury etc . God’s will, and the creative decision in human experience is confusing. I acknowledge there is a creation and suffering and pleasure exist in it. I don’t know how to reconcile the arbitrariness of existence. However, I acknowledge suffering DOES keep me alive. It is a feeling of warning and promoted avoidance or rest. It’s truly how it is and what it does and not some other way. In that I struggle with "well, God made suffering you Alive" but also made it so you could die and be injured, or be sad etc. I don’t know why that is. But, I see how suffering is a wise signal in the way human life is, though I don’t know why. Human intelligence is beyond just cognition. But why all the emotions, feelings, pleasure and suffering? I don’t know. It is this way. I don’t know why.

@Basman What’s this project 2025 thing?

@Leo Gura fair