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@integral I think most humans are this way. Only an Actualized person develops the ability to see things as they are, or near it.

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@Schizophonia There are so many reasons right now… tonnes of free yoga online, less money for spending in health cuz of rising cost of living, etc also should be considered. I agree.

@aurum Nah, but I’ve left you a good perspective. If you grasp what I’m saying you are given a free gift. I literally just provided a high level integral perspective of which you can explore in your own way,with your own biases and preferences. Don’t make make feel I’ve cast pearls to swine by arguing over your preferences and beliefs of a particular practice. I can tell you that as a teenager I was strong as fuck compared to most people my age. Ashtanga was a core reason. Ashtanga is an intense yoga that requires a high fitness level. It is high risk for sure. But, that’s why I shared this integral map with you. Maybe, something like tai chi, qigong, yin yoga, krya, pranayama, mindfulness walking, etc is more for you. I always felt good, relaxed and grounded by the end of ashtanga when I was younger. Regardless, zoom out. Zoom way out from one practice. Ashtanga is far more than just stretching. Have you ever even done it? If not, you know that’s first mistake in this.

It’s better to develop an integral perspective on mind body spiritual practice including yoga, Qigong, various meditations, breathwork, exercises than demonize a specific branch. These names of the practices are labels of branches on the mindbody spirituality tree of relativistic spirituality , health and baseline state/ consciousness work. There is deep depth here and as you study the relationship between healthy body, meditation, breath, Qi/ prana, spirit, consciousness etc you begin to see the value of each branch in spiritual and holistic development, personal mastery and wellbeing. My ashtanga yoga teacher used to tell me that the movement practices and intensity of ashtanga (very good for you and good for working your overall health and baseline state) is for preparing for sitting yoga. Having a strong healthy body is ideal for krya, kundalini, pranayama, vappassana, etc even your job at work. Shoalin Buddhist Qigong was developed to counter the unhealthy and weak bodies developed by sitting monks. Those monks were highly developed internally, but weak in their body and qi. The movement practices helped them be healthier, stronger and as a result go deeper internally. Actually, some history suggests a lot of sitting meditation branches of Buddhism came from only having access to partial documents that came from Qigong. If you can go very deep into spirituality sitting still, you can also do it through movement. Ancient masters did both. For sober spirituality, various kinds of sitting, standing, massaging, stretching, flowing, breathing, observing, intention, visualizing, laying, etc etc can be used for deeper spiritual development and internal mastery. There are deep spiritual sciences in yoga, Buddhism and Toaism which are not much discussed here but are legitimate and worth exploring. Integral Somatics or mind body map needs to be developed and modernized into something whole than these individual schools of practice.

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Rumi wrote that there are two types of running

@Sincerity More in the Tao, It sounds. I’ll respond when I can focus more.

@Sincerity What quality do you notice that you consider an increase in your baseline?

The biggest risk honestly, will be the risk of disorientation assuming the meds mix okay.

I like what I’ve seen of him. Also brave man.

@Recursoinominado I’ve been to gyms and grew up doing it. Ive never seen anyone take a photo in class. But, I am sure the sexy trendy appeal was indeed a cultural fad. We all know instagram, etc.. I grew up doing Ashtanga in a small village well outside the city. Ive been to studios in Montreal and other Canadian cities. People seem to just be practicing for health and wellness. Idk classes were always full. Western yoga is really good for you. I love it. I want to do it more.

Or, because people like it?

@integral Oh, I felt not only its paradigm but the fact you said it uses feeling as its processing. I don’t think dogs can really experience major paradigm shifts either.

@Joseph Maynor Well, that’s a big contemplation. But, without thinking too hard look at the behaviour and capacity of dogs… they are not thinking much. They, to me, I think, I speculate think have have Dog consciousness and dog cognition and think dog thoughts. But, compared to human thought they aren’t really thoughts likely more feelings. I actually think integrals post is pretty apt.

@Joseph Maynor I mean, it doesn’t speak. Do you think it thinks thoughts? We would have to get deep into what thoughts are, types of thoughts. I really don’t know. Dogs have different capabilities. I personally don’t think they think thoughts. They surely have some

@Joseph Maynor Yeah I agree. That’s what I don’t think means no?

@integral How do you know how they categorize things? I think what you said likely addresses it closely. I don’t think dogs really think thoughts, or self reflect.

@Psychonaut hmmm? Who knows?

@Psychonaut yeah I edited it but lost connection

@Psychonaut Without a healthy and strong body even Krystal and kundalini are less effective. Hatha has its place and is an important development and addition to yoga. Hatha yoga was brought to the west by Indian yogi’s. In Qigong theory there is a pyramid Jing-Qi-Shen. Body, energy, Spirit/ consciousness. Ideally you build a solid foundation. yoga is new in the west. You guys aren’t seeing what I see.

@Psychonaut No, not the history. @Jodistrict Yeah. The body is the root.

Hmmm, I wouldn’t.

I was gifted, smart, extremely athletic. But, my parents yelling, co-dependant relationship, education levels, my dads alcoholism, etc. All this made me really damaged by the time I was 20. Healing has been a large part of my path. I’ve grown a lot. Though, sometimes when I’m in the kitchen with people my nervous system sparks up and I think someone is gonna start shouting and I have to relax.