bazera

@Leo Gura Are you also working on the more practical course you've been mentioning, or just a spiritual one? Also, will your spiritual course require some prerequisite experiences or can it be taken by a person with no spiritual practice/experiences, just having a theoretical foundation through your videos and some books?

Hey, I've been interested in astral projection lately, and plan to learn doing it with this book: https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/426154 Have any of you astral projected before? What were your experiences?

@Leo Gura For everybody? Or for only those who have some kind of Spiritual understanding, for people like you.

@Leo Gura But you need to have an altered state of consciousness to have the kind of understanding you are talking about, and dogmatic practices supposedly produce those (maybe much milder versions than psychedelics, but still). And if you don't have access to psychedelics, maybe due to your country's strict rules, stricter than USA or Europe, isn't your best bet some Buddhist practices or some Yogic practices? And meanwhile, working on your living situation in order to accommodate the availability of psychedelics, if there is a curiosity about something deeper.

@Leo Gura And what about Yoga schools? Like for example Kriya Yoga, doesn't it emphasize more than just no-self?

@Leo Gura If you were starting now, with the advice that you currently give, to not trust blindly to Buddhists, what would you do differently? You wouldn't spend much time with meditation and do more psychedelics? Or what?

@Leo Gura What do you think of Ralston's teachings? How would you compare them to Buddhism or Vipassana? Do you think what Ralston teaches is closer to what you refer to as God than Buddhism?

@Mesopotamian Maybe you learn some web development skills and aim to apply for jobs in Europe with a re-location possibility?

@Leo Gura Didn't you start with those kinds of practices yourself? Isn't Buddhism a tool, maybe not the ultimate tool, but a tool nonetheless? Which can be used to some degree. But yea, if we are talking about spending 40 years in meditation and doing nothing else, that's another problem.

Can people meet their dead relatives or family members in an astral plane? Have you guys experienced something like that?

@Matthew85 Thanks for sharing that. How different is AP from Lucid Dreaming in your experience?

@Swarnim So the fact that you were seeing your sister using her computer was just a memory? Or you were actually looking at her doing that, from the astral plane to the material plane?

@DefinitelyNotARobot Yeah I've also thought about that. Especially the gradual approach, just like with the doses. The guide I've found uses a very gradual approach spread across multiple weeks, starting with relaxation and energy work exercises. As I assume, with enough practice I'll start having OBE experiences, and I have to increase my comfort zone bit by bit with each experience. But who knows, I'll only know by doing it.

@Michal__ @DefinitelyNotARobot What would you guys consider to be the dangers of doing AP? If any, since you have quite a lot of experience with this. @Michal__ What do you mean by this? Like, you can see something in AP that later when you wake up you can verify? Something like what were your friends doing?

@Dazgwny Thanks, good luck with your night journey as well

@Dazgwny Yeah, from what I've heard, the astral projection will be a tip of an iceberg of what's possible to realize about oneself. But probably still super useful and interesting from my current standpoint where I haven't experienced anything remotely spiritual. Thanks for the link.

@Hojo What kind of scenes?

@Jowblob Yes, I plan to do that. I read books for sure, but I don't have access to psychedelics at the moment, nor in the near future. So I thought learning to astral project can be a great way to experience spirituality at some level, not necessarily God level or unity or anything like that. I also don't think that experiencing the astral plane will be the ultimate Spiritual understanding in any way. But I think that it can become a gateway to higher things.

@Rahra What other things have you seen other than spirits? That's fascinating. What did the spirit look like?

@Jowblob So I guess you are talking from some higher perspective, a meta-perspective in which a "normal" waking state and night sleep state, as well as an astral state, are coming from the same substance, the dream. Is that correct? To me, a "normal" waking state doesn't seem like a dream, so my aim with astral projection is to realize and get a better understanding of reality. Maybe at some point, I'll realize that astral and normal are both dreams, or not. So that's the place from which I was asking the initial question. Basically, I wanted to know how can one change perspective and understanding of the material world around us through this thing known as astral projection.

@Rahra So when you woke up, it wasn't a false awakening, you really woke up and saw a spirit flying out of your apartment? What was your reaction? Was it scary?

@Jowblob By not being real, you mean that I won't be able to go to my friend's house, see what they're up to, and report them when I woke up?

@Dazgwny Hey man, thanks for the comment. I've been following Ryan's YouTube videos for years, pretty interesting guy. Haven't considered buying his course though. Is this the one you are referring to? https://yourpotential.teachable.com/p/your-astral-projection-starter-kit Also, one question. Was astral projection helpful in realizing that you are not the body? Right now I basically feel that I am a body. And I think that if I experienced projecting out of a body, that belief will shutter. How did it happen in your case?

@ivankiss How was it different from a dream? Did it have a different feeling than lucid dreaming?

@Eternal Unity Why?