Grateful Dead

The first time it happened to me, it was so traumatizing that for at least a year afterward, whenever I truly allowed myself to relax, I was invariably overwhelmed by an existential terror. I couldn't sleep properly anymore, either. But I always knew that this was simply something I had to get through; and so, I didn't stop tripping, even though absolute horror descended upon me during every single trip. Eventually, it became so psychologically exhausting when it happened again, right at a moment when I was feeling completely fine and was enjoying myself, the strain became too much to bear; I collapsed under the pressure, and since then, it has never happened again in that form. Since that time, on almost every trip, my mind simply dissolves, and reality reveals itself in some way. The last time I experienced fear during a trip, it wasn't a fear of the Void anymore, but rather a fear of the sheer intensity of the Fullness. Everything, the entire Infinity seemed intent on devouring me with all its intensity; I knew that if I melted into it, it would be the end of me. I fought against it for a long time until, finally, I gave up and surrendered to the will of God. But isn't it already obvious where the barriers are? What exactly do psychedelics help you with? I get the feeling that every trip only makes it harder to accept "normality" as it is and surely, that in itself constitutes a barrier. I honestly don't know if one can shatter these barriers by force; in my case, that only leads to greater resistance. The boundaries melt away only when I recognize that there are no boundaries at all. Or, to put it another way: when I remain grounded in the knowledge that the body is the limitation but that I am not within the body. I like that point. That is what we were writing about earlier, being ready to die at any moment. True, but the way I see it, you cannot pass completely through the gate as long as you still possess a body. Therefore, you simply have to come to terms with the fact that you will only catch a glimpse every now and then, until the time comes to shed your body. Naturally, one should strive to purify one's mind constantly, so that one is as free as possible when that moment finally arrives. But you already know that the Dead Void is not the end. Yes, I understand that well. But I do believe that openness is a matter of knowledge, not intellectual knowledge, of course, but the knowledge of absolute reality, or perhaps, put another way, trust in absolute reality. I do not mean this as a form of memory, but rather as an acceptance of not knowing in the present moment, and a trust in what is.

Yes! He's a great inspiration to me. Once, when I was on psychedelics, I imitated him, just for fun. But that gave me a brief, spontaneous glimpse into his state of mind and his attitude. He had the innocence of a child combined with the wisdom of a mystic. That's right. The world wore me down at a fairly young age. For a long time, it felt like I was being tortured. Suffering and longing drove me. Now it's a natural surrender to reality. That happens to me too, but only on good days when I'm in an opening phase. The perception of the formless essence, as I described before, is relatively stable, even on the worst days. However, I view the perception of the formless in everything merely as a learning device. And what do you envision by that? A state of permanent revelation? I sometimes think that when I read your posts, but I believe that's extremely rare and not really achievable except under extraordinary circumstances. What I want is a permanent shift in identity and perception. To turn everything upside down for good, so to speak. A perfect awareness of oneness. So far, these are just phases, but I know I can stabilize it, though it will take some years more. I have experienced this on 5-MeO-DMT as well, and often on LSD. I had called it existential terror. Why did you take a long break and why did you start again? I'm asking because I'm no longer sure if psychedelics are still beneficial for me or if they're more of a hindrance. I've also been on a long break, and lately I've been thinking about them a lot again. I somehow don't see any reason to take them anymore. I'm no longer looking for experiences or insights. What I want is a lasting openness, and the work for that lies in everyday life. I find psychedelics distract you from that because the chemical alteration puts you in a state that doesn't correspond to actual reality, and then you can't work where you are. What do you think about that? Same here. Before, I was driven. Now, it is simply what remains. The natural tendency of the mind to be completely free.

Then truth would be dead or limited. For me, truth is alive. It is not a static thing or a concept, but living being. And the nature of being is eternal expansion because it’s freedom is total.

The Course states that it cannot teach what love is, but it constantly emphasizes that love is the generative principle behind reality and that God is Love. Ralston says he doesn't talk about love because, for him, it has nothing to do with truth.

Yes, that's what I mean. Deconstructing the mental construct of the world so that one perceives it as unfiltered as possible. That's exactly what I strive for. Living in the light. A fresh perception that slows everything down and honors it. The Gospel really gives a very good insight into his life. He truly worshipped all forms as Kali, in a way that even truly spiritual people considered insane. His life is really interesting when you consider how open he was. For someone like him, it would be impossible to live in society. Small things were enough for him to shatter all boundaries, and he would be completely gone in Samadhi, often for hours, and his devotees had to care for him like for a child. He trurly lived as a child of Kali in complete innocence. I have trained my mind to perceive the formless as the essence in everything. Often, for example, I look around and everything appears identical to me. Of course, I see different forms, like a table and a screen, but everything shares the same formless essence, that which never changes. And for me, the formless also has a quality; I don't see it as neutral in the sense of being without attributes, but simply neutral in the sense that there is no opposite to it, no polarity. Formless being is pure joy and imbued with the deepest peace. I am aware that this path is not the only way to liberate the mind and open oneself up. It simply happens that this path best suits my experiences and inclinations. For a time, it might seem limited, but I believe that in the end, everything leads to the same goal: the complete opening of the mind.

But as long as fear is still tied to one's perception of the world, the world can still hold one captive. That's why I think one must first break free from the shackles of the world in order to live freely in the real world. For me, form is only here to help me learn how to free myself from it. Ultimately, I see it as a projection of the mind, and when the mind is completely pure, there is no more projection, only endless expanse without limits. It's both, in my opinion. A boundless, otherworldly peace, so glorious that every word about it only spoils it. By the way, if you like Kali, you should read The Gospel of Ramakrishna if you don't already know it. He embodied Kali and surrendered himself completely to her. The openness in which he lived is beyond comprehension.

Yes, for me too I only experience occasional, spontaneous moments of complete openness. When I write that I can relatively easily rest in openness during meditation, I mean that during formal meditation I can relinquish my resistance to closedness and thereby sink deeper into openness. However, it's very rare that all boundaries are completely transcended, and even then, only very briefly. I believe that as long as one is still attached to things in the world, it's impossible to disappear into openness for any length of time. The structures return too quickly because they are still real to us in that moment. This is a good example of what I meant above. Normal relationships, like most people have, have a pull and draw us back into the ego. That's why I see it as necessary to first recognize all these structures that the ego uses to maintain separation in order to interpret them correctly and see them for what they truly are. Our entire world is literally built around escaping emptiness. When I began to fall into the void, at first I desperately wanted to undo everything and return to living in ignorance, but I knew it was too late. It took quite a while until I was forced to give up, which allowed me to realize that emptiness is the peace I had been searching for. I also believe that if one hasn't deeply grasped this, then it's impossible to live beyond the boundaries of the ego.

I agree, well said! Yes, that is exactly the process I am going through as well. I view it this way: the phases of openness are brief glimpses of freedom, and when things close up again, we are shown exactly where the ego is still trying to hold on, so we know where the work is. To me, the mind calling those experiences a fantasy is just another layer of the barrier. The more I am willing to lean into the closed phases and the doubt, the less they bother me. At a certain point, it all becomes transparent, even the forgetting, and I realize that what is absolute never actually left. During formal meditation, I find it relatively easy to rest in this openness. The real challenge for me lies in integrating this into everyday life, in remaining transparent amidst the movements of life. Like to not simply ignore the closedness and go about my usual activities, but rather to pause for a moment to recognize the resistance precisely at the instant it arises.

I have a different view. The door is always wide open, but it's guarded by the ego, and you simply have to slip through quietly. Yes, I generally agree! The relaxation referred to the point where one has already perceived the barriers and realized that you do not want them. But I would say that once you see through the ego, it's easy, almost too easy. Because every time you perceive inner conflict or resistance you pretty much immediately know, "Ah, that's the ego trying to maintain the separation," and you know you don't want that, so you simply open yourself up again or as I said before, relax/surrender. God IS perfect unity, which is pure Love. I can sense the presence/silence of God right now. Isn't what you call absolute emptiness simply the ego's perception of God's perfect silence? I've been in the 'black and white dead landscape'. I've faced the worst-case scenario where I felt completely abandoned by God for years and during this time I was sure that all my spiritual experiences/insights etc. were just naive delusions and that I had fooled myself. I stood in the mechanical, bottomless abyss where everything seems like a dead illusion. But at some point, I realized that dead void isn't the ultimate reality, but merely the ego's interpretation of perfect silence/God. In other words, nihilism is the ego's final interpretation of its own annihilation. And when you ultimately have to surrender to the void, you realize that emptiness isn't dead, but merley a perfect stillness that the mind perceives as nothingness. So when I speak of God, I don't mean a mental safety net or a theological concept that allows me to escape the abyss. I'm talking about what remains after being thrown into the abyss without any safety nets and realizing that emptiness is/was the last veil of the individual self. Surrender to God what happens after realizing that nihilism, too, is just another fearful thought. And I don't believe it's our choice whether we completely surrender to emptiness, because if we could choose, we would always choose against it. You're pushed into a corner until you have no other choice but to surrender. I believe everyone who has a body is closed to some degree. Some are more transparent, others very dense. The work you talk about is the only thing truly worth doing here anyways, and I do it gladly and with joy. Because I know that the Self remains beyond the body and its barriers, and that is what I truly am.

Yes, that's one way to put it, that's what I mean. I'm wondering, what exactly is your technique for breaking down these barriers? As I see it your natural state must be there when you stop trying to do something or change it, so I understand as long as you're trying to achieve something, you're essentially preventing yourself. I do believe that one has to make an effort for a while to prepare the mind to wake up and recognize where the barriers are. My view is that the closed state is something we actively maintain, and if you simply relax completely or stop doing anything, then you don't have to dissolve anything because you're not maintaining anything. Like the more I try to dissolve something, the more I'm actually strenghtening the one who wants it to fall. For me, simply relaxing into the 'closed' state or the fear is what eventually reveals it to be transparent. It’s not a mental trick, but a total surrender to whatever 'what is' looks like in this moment even if it looks like contraction. Another way I like to describe it, is that I open my mind and surrender all my thoughts to God.

Yes, I see it the same way. But only to the Ego. I think it’s enough to notice the barriers and then simply relax into them. For me, meditation is just the deepest form of relaxation. It seems to me that every form of effort or struggle is the ego’s natural attempt to maintain control. When I see through the struggle, reality simply is as it is. To me, it sounds like you want to use meditation to reach a specific state like boundlessness. For me, it's more about accepting every state exactly as it is, in order to remain open to that which never changes. Basically, I step back and let it all happen, allowing my mind to sink into the Self.

Yes, once the mechanism of the ego is seen through, meditation becomes effortless and natural. I think a major obstacle is our understanding of time, the idea that we have to meditate for longer than a moment. If you consider the present moment as the entirety of time, the need to meditate longer than now disappears. Sometimes my mind is very quiet during meditation, and sometimes not, that doesn't make much difference to me. I let my mind be as it is and don't try to change it, revealing a stillness that is already present, independent of whether the mind is active or quiet.

I think he's keeping it secret because Salvia can be very dangerous and he doesn't want to glorify it. It's absurd that you think Leo is inventing new psychedelics. He already said that the substance has been studied, so it must be somewhat known. You can't give 20 people a new, unknown substance that only he has tested.

A substance that's studied, legal, has a short duration, and is suitable for these purposes? That doesn't leave many options.. Of course. It kind of loosens the mind.

Probably low-dose Salvia Divinorum.

@emil1234 Ok then, I misunderstood because you mentioned "hearing the call." I don't have a guideline, but here is my take on it: I’ve come to believe that less is more when it comes to psychedelics. At this point, I can barely find a good reason to take them anymore. However, I should mention that I’ve had about a hundred trips or more even after the energies started working in me, so it’s easy for me to say now. At the time I was tripping regularly, it felt like the psychedelics were helping me to work through the energetic blockages. In retrospect, it's hard to say how much it helped. Regarding the trauma: This process will naturally unfold. In my opinion, you can't force anything, it just doesn't work that way. But since you mentioned being eager to dive into your shadow sides, now might actually be a good time to learn more about trauma and shadow work. When things do surface, I think it’s important to also address them psychologically and not just try to meditate everything away. My main advice would be: find a spiritual path that resonates with you and just stick to that one. It’s fine to explore other views, of course, but focus on one path and simply do the practices and follow the teachings. Don't try to control the process or worry about being done with it.

I wouldn't call it "fully awakened Kundalini" in my case, but my process seems to have stabilized after many years of ups and downs. Why do you want to take psychedelics right now? You mentioned your awakening was only a couple of weeks ago. That is a very short time. Initially, the shift is often intense and blissful, but the real work is the integration that follows. Since you are still "purging" and "dissolving," your nervous system is likely already working at maximum capacity. Are you looking for another peak experience or in other words are you trying to bypass the current emotional work? The sooner you can stop searching for better or more intense spiritual experiences, the more the actual silence can pervade your life. Psychedelics can be a great tool to recognize barriers, but they can also be a massive distraction from simply accepting what is. If the energy is already moving and your baseline has increased, maybe the best medicine right now is patience and giving your body time to act as a stable capacitor for this new energy.

I watched it too. The part where she asked him for advice because she was feeling lost, and he just said she needed to be fucked by his healing penis while her best friend is watching, is absolutely insane. And after that he just stopped gaslighting her for a while so she'd think she was cured, lol, wtf, that's so evil.

The first few years were incredibly blissful. I meditated almost all day because it felt so good, but I was barely functional and neglected many things. Then, for a few years, it was very physical: many strange body movements, couldn't sit still, and slept terribly. After that, the energy calmed down and became more steady and for about a year, I had spontaneous awakenings almost daily, again not very functional, but ecstatic and beautiful. After that, it all kind of disappeared, and I felt like I had just imagined all of it. Over the next three to four years, it gradually became darker and darker, and it felt like I had lost everything until I was forced to let go of everything and surrender to the void. Since then, my mind has slowly become clearer and calmer, and a peaceful stillness pervades everything. I think the most important thing is to practice patience and trust the process. It took me a long time to learn that to some extent, and now I try to stay out of it as much as possible. For the longest time, I just wanted to reach the "end" of the process and be "done." That was probably the biggest "mistake." Accept what is and simply follow the path.

The energetic breakthrough is only the beginning of a long process of energetic restructuring of the organism. And depending on how much work and awareness you invest in this process, different levels of mastery become possible.

Yes, psychedelics help one realize that the ego is nothing more than a bundle of fear. However, a fire isn't extinguished by adding more wood, but by letting the flame die out. And that happens quite naturally when you let it burn down and, after a while, stop paying attention to it. I think that's the main problem with psychedelics: you think that if you just go deeper, it will eventually dissolve (burn out). But basically, you're just exploring the ego, or as Leo calls it, the "super ego," which isn't inherently bad; it's similar to an astronaut exploring the universe. If that's what someone wants, fine. Maybe it's even part of your path, and you have to burn off karma, who knows? But you can also waste a lot of time on the spiritual path. The universe is endless, after all, so it's hard to ever end the search if you are always waiting for the next big revelation.

Amen, brother. I'm glad more people are waking up to this. I still have a little hope that Leo might understand it himself, but when I see his post here, it doesn't seem that way. When you're out of the cult and then see its followers coming here to defend their leader, it makes you sick.

Haha yeah, I think the historical Jesus himself would cause quite a stir in much of what Christianity has become today. Still, I usually find some good common ground for deeper conversations even with traditional Christians, like those belonging to a church. You're right, I don't actively forget the illusions in the sense of erasing them from memory. It’s more that I see through their falsity, and then they simply lose their reality for me. In that way, they naturally fade from awareness. So in a sense, it’s a form of forgetting, but as a result of seeing clearly. And yes, I also see it very much like a via negativa. It's not about adopting new beliefs, but about letting go of what is false, unlearning rather than learning, until only what is real remains. It’s very simple in that sense: truth is; everything else isn’t. I know A Course in Miracles was channeled, but I haven’t really looked into channeling otherwise. I'll do some research into it, thanks! Yes, that’s probably true. As long as we’re here and have an ego, doubts will come and go. What I find most interesting is that when I'm in contact with @puporing (they/them), it feels very similar to my inner dialogue with my higher self or Jesus. Our views largely align, maybe even completely, but I have the impression that they understand it on a deeper level. I doubt the claims, which I haven't verified myself, namely that they are in the same state as Jesus and that he has been fully resurrected in them. I can acknowledge it as a possibility, but for my remaining doubts to disappear, it would have to happen to me in the same way. Yes, the historical Jesus was like everyone else, though probably much more spiritually advanced. I think it’s easier to worship someone else as the “Son of God” than to accept it about oneself hehe One theory of mine is that Jesus was the first to truly awaken, and from there began developing the teachings that first appear in the New Testament and later in A Course in Miracles. And it still seems to be evolving. I’m not sure if I understand you correctly. Do you mean because at first I thought I was speaking to someone else, like Jesus as a teacher and over time I realized that he was actually leading me back to my true Christ Self, which is Him? Yeah and it sounds like you have some idea of what it takes to get here Interesting that you mention Friend of the Devil, because lately I often return to that song. It’s one of the few where I haven’t yet fully recognized the deeper wisdom behind it. I like your approach, thanks for sharing. And I completely agree, the deepest forgiveness comes through Grace. And since you mentioned it, I play in a band and also write my own songs. And honestly, it seems impossible for me to write songs that aren’t somehow related to the path. I wish I could write something less spiritual sometimes lol. Robert Hunter truly had a genius for telling these stories in a way that didn’t seem overtly spiritual. Thank you, brother. I appreciate your openness, it's always refreshing to have a sincere exchange.

Yes, when you return to the ultimate reality, no trace remains. There is just boundless freedom – perfect peace. The illusion of the world goes beyond your individual experience. A part of the whole can return to the source, while the remaining fragments are still lost in ignorance.