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@Harlen KellyDude, I am literally on actualized.org, the epitome of anti-dogma, and you are asking if im religious , did you even bother to read my post? your the same guy that asked if I had experience with women on the original post, nice straw man. @Cepzeu That is all well understood, but Leo advocates for not drinking on the forum, and advocates for nightclubs/bars as places to go socialize, but the majority of people there are drunk/there to get drunk.

@Thought Art Dude, did you literally stop reading at the next line? Leo Gura: Some yes, some no. Depends. Doesn't really matter. I prefer girls who don't drink or drink little. I've lost plenty of girls simply because they drank so much they were too sick to have sex with.

@Cepzeu Leo specifically mentions that he dosent date girls that drink. He will still sleep with, and pursue a drunk girl for sex, as long as she didnt "drank so much they were too sick to have sex with." Theres nothing wrong with going to nightclubs to practice game, but its creepy and low integrity to be the only sober person around a bunch of drunk young people especially that if are not interested in anything beyond sex, that is literally defined as legal rape, if you directly mention to any of the girls that you were the only sober person, they would not sleep with you. Also, nobody ever mentions about ATTEMPTING screening these drunk girls for long term compatibility, its how fast can you sleep with her, because "woman dont take u serious before sex".

@Cepzeu When did I mention meeting people while sober and having casual sex???, I am referring to the specific example in my post, as the guys who boast about "lay counts" and having "amazing game", often use night game such as bars and nightclubs to do their activities. There was nothing said about meeting people while sober, and having casual sex, as if that where the actual level of integrity these keyboard high value men would be operating from, they wouldn't need to go out to bars and night clubs to prey on drunk girls to get laid. Check your own projections and read my post carefully before projecting this "angry incel trying to prove that mens desire for sex is evil"notion onto me, as I simply am talking about this specific situation in the context of actualized.org, and raising ones integrity/consciousness. MY point is that it is simply impossible to have a high lay count without high social/financial status or low integrity & manipulation.

@Cepzeu Right nothing I said contradicts that, I am simply making a point about how members on this community define the word "High Value Man", how does any of this invalidate what I said or permit pump/dumping drunk girls while you are sober? How convenient and easy to just dismiss it all as "people have bad long term compatibility anyway", "women are chimps too" so they deserve it and we can continue pumping and dumping, my whole point is about raising our integrity, as I feel like that is one of the key reasons we should even be interested in this work, it just seems like there's NO EFFORT being applied AT ALL. What if you actually end up finding a girl you really liked and now you have to deal with all of her excess insecurities and trauma from being pump and dumped while she was drunk by horny sober wolves?

@Sunchild Where are my judgements about sex? I literally called it "fine and gravy", did y'all just skip over the second part of my post ? @Cepzeu You must have not read this part I just feel like this forum has lost track of these higher integrity ideas, and is behaving like chimps, which is all fine and gravy, I only see a problem with it when we are students of "high integrity" putting in no effort to screen girls for long term compatibility before sleeping with them, and boasting about "lay counts" and how good your "game" is and how much of a "high value man" you are, which is only "high value" from the perspective of a woman's survival, so really the term "high value man" is synonymous with douchebag, as your spending so much time and energy to please women to get vagina, you could spend that time pursuing consciousness work and life purpose (which is the greater good for society and our communities and takes up a lot of time and often conflicts with your sexual interests).

@Cepzeu You must have not read this part I just feel like this forum has lost track of these higher integrity ideas, and is behaving like chimps, which is all fine and gravy, I only see a problem with it when we are students of "high integrity" putting in no effort to screen girls for long term compatibility before sleeping with them, and boasting about "lay counts" and how good your "game" is and how much of a "high value man" you are, which is only "high value" from the perspective of a woman's survival, so really the term "high value man" is synonymous with douchebag, as your spending so much time and energy to please women to get vagina, you could spend that time pursuing consciousness work and life purpose (which is the greater good for society and our communities and takes up a lot of time and often conflicts with your sexual interests).

@Harlen Kelly

@Harlen Kelly Why do you ask?

@Leo Gura Dosent it matter if they are making decisions disinhibited while you are sober? If you've had some experience with alcohol you know it can definitely, well let's say, skew ones perceptions for the night and make girls way looser. Its legally rape. Also why would you sleep with drunk women if you don't promote pump/dump and have explicitly outlined that girls who drink are a dealbreaker when u are looking for a girlfriend, a lot of girls who go out to clubs are regular drinkers/smokers/party girls. I would just personally feel uncomfortable gaming drunk girls sober, Id wanna at least get on their playing field.

@Leo Gura Yo Leo u always talk about picking up girls at a night club sober as you dont drink, but docent that imply that the girls you are picking up have been drinking/ are intoxicated?

@Etherial Cat ???? Hello!? Your points are completely incoherent to what I said. Just dont cry about world peace when you sacrificed it for some hot sex.

@soos_mite_ah These sounds like an excellent points to shirk the responsibility of opening your jay for nice guys to bring world peace

@Leo Gura Women: WHaT iS tHIs SiMP BEhaviOr?!?!?! Ignores nice guy to spread legs for STROnG EmoTIOnLEsS aLPHa ChAD. Fixed it for ya - - - - - If every woman on the planet decided tomorrow to only have sex with nice guys, every guy in the world would become a nice guy within 1 month and all war would end forever. But alas.... Endless war. This is a fantastic way to articulate the truth, you should make videos based along these lines so we don't have 20 posts everyday obsessing about sex, if one is properly following your teachings, they should be looking for a good balance in all areas of their life. Seems like most of the people on this forum are way more interested in sex than consciousness work, the foundation of actualized, I understand lower needs must be integrated to achieve higher things, but this information should be condensed in one thread/video so this doesn't start to feel like a sex forum, like sheesh would be nice to focus on developing strongly in other aspects of life to be well rounded, especially since dating is becoming hard in covid, and being well rounded will help you with women anyway.

@Leo Gura You should be at all those parties stealing their girls! You ain't gonna get girls sitting at home. Party time! But be sober. Leo, have are you familiar with real fraternity parties at all? This is survival. They are not going to let their girls get fucked willy nilly, you have to be cool with several fraternity brothers to get into the parties. Dude, those are like the only approaches I pretty much do: busy girls. Deal with it. I've approached girls talking on their phone with their mother, and slept with them. You make too many excuses. Have you approached busy girls that also know each other and gossip about boys on campus? A) Make your approaches subtle and indirect B) Practice high-volume approaching at the mall or bar/club to hone your skills A) If im new to game this seems almost impossible. B) If im 19 im too young for the bar/club. Malls are also dying out and I rarely see girls my age hanging out there.

@Leo Gura Frat boys and jocks are irrelevant. Why do you even think about them? I think about them and think they are relevant because that is where all the hot girls from my school hang out and want to be fucked. (At their parties) It is very hard to approach and fuck girls on campus who are busy with their lives, studies and walking to class, also fucking up approaches will quickly get you a reputation as the weirdo around campus.

@Leo Gura Did you read the rest of my replies in the read? I am in a big city with many hot girls (at my university, which I worked very hard to get into, top school), I just dont feel confident talking to them because I know they have options with many frat boys and jocks. I want to do the work for it, I have taken radical ownership of my life, I just feel like COVID has completely derailed my efforts.

@Carl-Richard Where am I finding excuses to not get laid? I am explaining my situation as I am unable to go to nightclubs or bars, and am stuck in a social scene.

@Javfly33 Like I said, I am now recovering from this situation, I have made some money and been working on my self esteem. However the university is still a SOCIAL SCENE, are you familiar with how frats and jocks act?

@Carl-Richard ?????

@Javfly33 What attitude do you suggest I adopt then?? Your reply dosent seem very constructive, if anything it would make me feel worse.

@peqkno When male dating coaches and PUAs tell their audiences that you can't ask women about what they attracts them (i.e. Don't ask a fish how to catch them), it is just for business purposes. Otherwise, female dating coaches would put them out of business. No. I'm not a dating coach and I don't earn any money coaching people on pickup stuff. But I can tell you from lots of personal experience that a woman will never give a guy good advice for how to attract and sleep with women. Because attraction is deeply counter-intuitive and women themselves are deeply in denial and unconscious of what attracts them and what makes them open their legs. Women love to tell themselves all sorts of fantasies about what they are attracted to, when in fact they are attracted to the opposite. They will say stuff like, "Just be yourself. Just be a nice guy." and then they end up sleeping with the biggest asshole in the room. A fish cannot tell you how to catch it because it has not invested any time and has no experience catching itself. The first doesn't actually know what catches it. And even if it did, it would not be in the fish's survival interest to disclose such information.

@Preety_India While I do not condone the personal attacks, I believe the reason Leo didn't address @Recursoinominado 's other point is because hes totally right, its obvious you are VERY resentful towards men. Instead of further avoiding the situation, I believe it would be mature and reflective of the pillars of self actualization if you took the time to reflect and address your own resentment, as reading your posts produces a lot of irony.

@Leo Gura It is common as many are pre disposed psychologically, but weed itself does not have physically addictive properties as other drugs such as heroin or meth.