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@Tangerinedream U kinda just pulled that out of ur ass lol, vulgarity and self judgement and self hatred are mutually exclusive, I dont hate anyone for doing anything, girls are free to do what they want, I am speaking in the context of women thinking they deserve high value men by acting like a virgin princess after being ran thru.

@Leo Gura Yo Leo u always talk about picking up girls at a night club sober as you dont drink, but docent that imply that the girls you are picking up have been drinking/ are intoxicated? Leo Gura: Some yes, some no. Depends. Doesn't really matter. I prefer girls who don't drink or drink little. I've lost plenty of girls simply because they drank so much they were too sick to have sex with. Me:Dosent it matter if they are making decisions disinhibited while you are sober? If you've had some experience with alcohol you know it can definitely, well let's say, skew ones perceptions for the night and make girls way looser. Its legally rape. Also why would you sleep with drunk women if you don't promote pump/dump and have explicitly outlined that girls who drink are a dealbreaker when u are looking for a girlfriend, a lot of girls who go out to clubs are regular drinkers/smokers/party girls. I would just personally feel uncomfortable gaming drunk girls sober, Id wanna at least get on their playing field. I see many members on this forum touting ideas like "EMbrAce sExAal eNerGy with lOve and conSciousnNss!", and after reading their pickup tactics, it involves things like picking off vulnerable drunk girls, manipulating girls perception of you to appear appear more attractive and confident,(And not being interested or screening for a long term relationship with the women), when in reality you would be behaving differently if you were not pursing sex. Leo actually describes a lot of this behavior himself in his rant against the pickup community: I just feel like this forum has lost track of these higher integrity ideas, and is behaving like chimps, which is all fine and gravy, I only see a problem with it when we are students of "high integrity" putting in no effort to screen girls for long term compatibility before sleeping with them, and boasting about "lay counts" and how good your "game" is and how much of a "high value man" you are, which is only "high value" from the perspective of a woman's survival, so really the term "high value man" is synonymous with douchebag, as your spending so much time and energy to please women to get vagina, you could spend that time pursuing consciousness work and life purpose (which is the greater good for society and our communities and takes up a lot of time and often conflicts with your sexual interests). I have also noticed a lot of avoidance when I try to discuss these topics or bring them to light, people simply stop replying to the thread, as is the case with the example above^

@Karmadhi You guys are loosing track of the problem with these ridicioulous slut shaming stuff. OF COURSE, there is nothing wrong if girls sleep around as long as they are not cheating. I thought this group was more evolved than to slut shame. The issue the thread opener meant was that if a guy is vocal about his attraction triggers on females, females will get angry and make him feel bad. If guy says i want a healthy weight pretty girl, he is considered a shallow pig. Meanwhile, when girls say they want a confident charming successful man, that is considered normal and cool. Both attraction triggers are equally selfish and survival based, however males are made to feel bad about theirs while women are not. This is the issue. This

@cocaCan you please cite where someone advocated fucking as many girls as possible and not caring about them, this forum is literally just personal projections.

@Jacob MorresPlease read the post carefully, you are who this thread was created for.

@krasThe same way weak needy guys who are not strong leaders, and are not confident don't get taken seriously by women, and there is no question about it.

@Arcangelo Because people will laugh behind my back. Because is like buying a used car with a lot of mileage. Because I have been conditioned to only have sex with them not to be in a relationship with them. Because it gives you a bad reputation. I am so glad I am redpilled man and that I don't have to deal with none of this bullshit. This is real honesty, and it is because the same way women are wired by evolution to be attracted to certain things, men are too, evolutional instincts to want to know that the kid your having is yours, the same way women have evolutional instincts to have a strong leader to preserve themselves and children, its all survival.

@flowboy Nobody here is unwilling to introspect bro, your starting to say nonsense at this point, stay on topic, others here are giving you valid reasons on top of mine

@flowboy You can go ahead and do your own research on oxytocin , the second supporting argument I made is a sufficient reason.

@Eph75 Who is demanding anyone to adopt my values dude you are literally speaking nonsense. @aurum @flowboyBecause girls release bonding chemicals when they have sex which starts fucking up her head the more dick she racks up, also high value women only have sex with highly value men, as there is little high value men in comparison to the general population, by definition girls who have high body counts sleep with low value men.

@flowboy Dude you are literally the reason I made this post. LOL 1. When did I ever say that women dont like sex or that its not their right to enjoy it in any way they please, these are your personal projections. 2. Its not hypocritical because men and woman judge sex differently, and because woman inherit their sexual value, while men have to earn it. 3. Where is the fear?? When did I say I want to control female sexuality? dude I literally said I dont want my LONG TERM GIRLFRIEND TO BE A HOE LOL

@flowboy Promiscuous woman What is toxic or unhealthy about anything I posted?

@flowboy Seriously, what is so wrong and shallow about wanting your long term girlfriend to not be a hoe??

@Etherial Cat 26 is when looks start to declining with 30 being the danger zone. Nobody here is holding grudges against females for their choice of partners, that is simply your projection. If you carefully read any of our posts, you will understand that we have no problem with girls being hoes, only when they act like innocent virgin soul princesses after being ran thru.

@Etherial Cat Average girl looses her virginity 15-16 these days, thats plenty of time to hoe around and put out for the streets before becoming more "mature" and being all about relationship and trust.

@Hulia These girls always need a room full of alcohol and horny single men to "dance and have fun".

@Emerald The first line of the Madonna/Whore dichotomy states that Women are unable to maintain arousal in a loving , committed relationship, which Leo has never gotten close to mentioning, or even implying. You yourself said you are a highly sexual woman, and have one night stands and flings with guys you barely know, there is literally no more evidence that we need, you are saying this from the perspective of a lower sexual value, higher consciousness girl on Leos forum, imagine what kind of "flings" and "one night stands" girls with higher sexual value are having. You just confirmed what Leo has been saying all along, your response is just your personal projections of how you personally as a woman think men should respond and assign value to promiscuous women, from the male POV men cant help to view promiscuous woman as low value and undesirable, as it is hardwired in the male brain from evolution to value sexual loyalty in relationships, so naturally known "highly sexual" women don't get taken seriously and get pumped and dumped.

@Hello from Russia I didnt write that... thats leos projection of me..

@Leo Gura @Hello from Russia Ironically it is you who is being unspiritual here in that: 1) you judge all this social activity and think of it as unspiritual, creating a shadow out of it, and 2) you have the desire to control people by telling them how to behave and what not to drink. When did I ever desire or imply to desire to control anyone, contradict any of your points or try to shame anyone for being unspiritual??? If you carefully read my posts, you would see that I have no judgement against any of these activities, I simply think members on this forum should separate their ideas of being this "high value man that embraces sexual energy with lOvE and COnSOIOUSNEss" that all the girls wanna sleep with, with gaming on disinhibited horny drunk girls, especially when they have personally not been drinking that night. (Literally the exact points you made in your rant against pickup) B) Yes, pursing sex requires that one behave differently than sitting in a meditation retreat. Sex is survival, and it is a game I never have said otherwise, I have simply said that I see a lack of effort into applying higher integrity values and screening for long term compatibility,as men and women value sex differently, which is crucial if one wants to tout themselves as "embracing sexual energy with love and consciousness".

@Cepzeu Right, I never said that you couldn't pick up chicks during the day and pump and dump, I was simply stating the point of alcohol??? Thats your personal projection, I did not make any claims or statements in my writing about how I am personally morally superior. I have again, simply made arguments in the context of actualized.org , what does this have to do with me? Why do I keep being brought into my arguments, my arguments are completely general and mutually exclusive from my personal feelings of superiority.

@Jodistrict When have I tried to shame someone? Can you actually read and refute an argument I made besides projecting onto me? These are your own personal projections. @Cepzeu You actually think me saying that was not a general statement about how men think, but a personal attack on you meant to straw man your argument? Which of my points are unrelated?, and which is meant to straw man your points?, it is a direct and valid response, how does the notion of a man being too scared to talk to girls sober validate pumping and dumping? You're making an argument out of nothing. You just want to be right and morally superior on an online forum. You aren't capable of seeing the bigger picture of how everything interconnects and how everything is exactly perfect as it is. You just want to play argument games and pick apart everyone's response and incorrectly call them out on tactics you use yourself. These are all your personal projections, I have never claimed to be right or morally superior, I am simply stating my arguments.

@Cepzeu Lots of normal guys are scared to cold approach girls during the day, it's not socially acceptable. You open yourself up to rejection, so few guys do it. Its the norm to not approach. Hence, alcohol. So u being too much of a pussy to talk to girls sober is why pump and dumping drunk girls is acceptable? What's your point? Girls shouldn't drink so much as to lose themselves and make bad decisions? Maybe they should join us sober guys at the club haha. If you're consistently ending up with loser guys because you got drunk and went home with someone, that's on you lol. Lots of guys regret doing stupid shit and getting into fights when they sober up. Are you saying we shouldn't drink? but then you say we can't go clubbing because if we don't drink we're creepy? There are inconsistencies in what you desire. Society is not high consciousness or high integrity. You can't map Actualized.org onto society, it won't fit. This is a very niche community. My point has always been to be crystal clear about why you are doing what your doing, and to separate these ideas from the "self development" "high intergrity", "love" and conciousness", that we have been learning, by your logic you should just stop watching Actualized.org stop working on yourself and go get more drunk. I have not desired anything and am merely stating arguments,When I have I said that men shouldn't drink or that you cant go clubbing, I am AGAIN talking in the CONTEXT OF HIGH INTEGRITY

@Harlen Kelly LOL that has absolutely ZERO affect on u pointing out the inconsistencies of my post, nice straw man Condescending cheeky questions, like "have you interacted with many human before", are personal attacks on my character, rather than u reading and refuting an argument that i wrote out.

@Cepzeu Alcohol affects women differently (more severely) than men and lowers their inhibitions severely. If alcohol didnt lower your inhibitions, nobody would go out to drink and you would just talk to girls like normal people lol Most girls regret the guy they had a one night stand with, as when they sober up their inhibitions come back. The whole point of going out during night game, is to be in a room of disinhibited girls, or you would just approach them and sleep with them during the day. Again, im saying in the context of integrity, and the concepts we study on actualized.org How is preying on girls with lower inhibition=high integrity Because its a lot easier to just project your own notions of me as a person (ad hominem), than to actually read and refute my arguments. I do not think and have never stated that everyone in a nightclub is a predator or wasted girl, I literally mentioned that it was cool and gravy, but I think that one should be crystal clear about their tactics when u stand here and talk about high integrity and love and consciousness

@Harlen Kelly Ad Hominem.