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Sure not all at once. I agree that we probably shouldn't try to make any drastic changes to the economy or try to transition into a non-monetary system too quickly. That would probably destabalize things and wouldn't be an optimal, gentle enough transition (insofar as any form of real change will or can be gentle in the next few decades & centuries). At the same time, i think we should be skeptical of the idea that a market-system is somehow better than a non-market system. Pointing at isolated little efficiencies here and there doesn't really justify a preference for one over the other. And frankly these issues are far too serious to be dismissed as mere utopian fantasies. That just sounds like collective ego trying to maintain itself desguised as realism. I think part of the point is the notion that this system that we have currently is somehow working, is itself a fantasy. Inequality, poverty, mass slavery, war, etc, etc. A market based system incentivises competition for monetary gain, drive towards competitive advantage, growth, inefficiency & fundamentally prioritizes profit over human wellbeing. This is not a system that works. Yes, the collective consciousness of humanity now is very low. Is that causing exploitation, war, inequality, etc? Or do the incentive structures within a market based system affect people in these ways to where they become competitive, less compationate & even exploitative? It might be both. Collective humanity probably already has a fairly low level of consciousness. But then we also have the market system. And its functions are antithetical to human flourishing, or even to a true ecomony in any functional sense. Is that going to work if we're not already at green or higher? Is it even going to work at that point? In any case, conserving the market-based system doesn't seem like it's going help us elivate human consciousness at this point. In the future, there might be some room here and there for some sort of market-like exchange. But probably we'll have an ecomony based on cooperation & systems science rather than competition, fraud & ideology.

I appreciate your respons. Maybe. I wonder though if that's just how it looks from within the system. Like we take it for granted so much because it's all we know, so we can't even imagine other systems that might also work but which don't cause as many catastrophic problems. Interesting to note though is that according to thinkers like david graeber, money was invented by the state so that it could pay its armies in something long lasting & that could be used for exchanging a wide range of goods. And then they essentially forced the rest of the population to use it so that the money would have value. So if it was invented like that, then maybe we can also re-invent something new. Peter Joseph suggests that new system is something like a resource-based & access ecomony, based on science & systems thinking rather than market dynamics. As uncertain as these things are, i think we need to take the problems with our current system seriously as well. Acknowledge it's strengths while being brutally honest about its weaknesses. And being seriously open to considering other methods of distributing resources, because (despite it's strengths) things aren't going well with the one we have currently.

I feel like ya there on the primary of consciousness being extremely obvious. I've spent years debating "materialists" you might say. And mastering that debate is dear to my heart. So I'm curious how do you usually go about it or what's even like your motivation for mastering that debate?

Can you expand on why you think money is going nowhere? His critique of the current system is that it being a monetary system is the root cause of the problem, and while i think he agnowledges it's going to be difficult, he thinks it's going to be possible at least partly through some of the ways he outlines.

Well, maybe you're just early in this process of self discovery. Things might clear up along the journey. But if you're not excited about much, i don't know how much of what i can say would be of help. I'm a very passionate individual, so that makes it almost easy for me to come up / find a life purpose. But maybe more difficult to relate to your situation in that respect at least. At the same time, you say you have many things that kind of interest you, so that's good! Maybe exploring some of that will eventually lead to a point where you're clearer about your LP. There is this idea by cal newport which he calls "career capital" which is basically that the better you become at your chosen field or domain of mastery, it will be easier to find / come up with a mission. And a sense of mission is really a core aspect of LP. And so if you explore a few things, like let's say for the next couple of years maybe you distribute 3000 hours of skill points over 3 things. Maybe 500 1, 500 in a 2nd thing, and 2000 in a 3rd thing you ended up being more drawn to. At that point maybe you'll find like 'wow i'm starting to get really good at this shit', and then you might find that a mission will arise for you organically. But if your issue now is mental health and you find that is maybe what's mainly getting in the way of finding any genuine connection with a passion or potential purpose, maybe you need to sort that stuff out first, insofar as you haven't. At the same time, i suspect a lot of people are depressed precisely because they are disconnected from their values, main strengths and any meaningful creative outlet (essentially life purpose). But it's kind of a chicken and egg thing, you know. Like which one came first? The depression or the disconnection from creative outlet / LP? Maybe it's a bit of both. In that case maybe you'll find that you'll start feeling better as you become more and more aligned with your higher values, as you improve at things that uses your top strengths and as you work towards contributing towards something you care about (even if it's only that you care only a little bit at the beginning). Maybe by healing others you'll heal yourself. Healing through existential bliss is beautiful, so maybe giving that gift to others will be giving that same gift to yourself Are you giving that gift to yourself by the way? And about the mental health thing. I can't relate to the depression part, but i can relate to some extent to the social stuff. While i wasn’t bullied, i have social anxiety for some reason. And there was the adhd stuff as I mentioned. That's really all I had to say about that i guess lol Anyway, just feel like also giving like a disclaimer since in part i was offering some guidance or tried to say a few hopefully helpful things, I'm not an expert or anything, just a friend or fellow self-actualizer sharing my thoughts.

"Its just seems that there pretty much isnt anything I deeply care about atm" Is there anything that deeply excites you? "That comes from my semi depressed vision" Semi depressed vision of what? "What the LP course unintentionally highlighted was how mentally unhealthy I am." Do you want to share more about that?

It's cool to meet someone similar to me here! Depends on how you think of "doing allright". I wouldn't say i've achieved much in terms of conventional success yet. There has been a strong resistance to everything that hasn't been exactly what i have wanted to do. Between 2016 and 2019 i aquired a good knowledge base in personal development theory, myself and reality, on a theoretical level but also on a spiritual, existential and metaphysical level. And from 2019 until now, i've developed skills, abilties and career capital related my life purpose which is centered around philosophy. i haven't manifestated that into more concrete material success. Adhd might have played a role in this, it may have made a traditional time line harder to follow, but i feel like I'm on an unconventional but meaningful path. And where i'm on that path right now i have a fucking really good base to stand on for the future in terms of more material success. I feel like this is the direction this are going now... especially since having recently started with medication. I really resonate with your description of being on medication. i feel like I can manifest myself into the world, being more concrete than abstract. I feel medication will help manifest mental and cognitive development into more concrete, material sucess in the world.

I'm ADHD (inattentive) 27 also have critical thinking as one of top strengths. In terms of application, you could use it for lots of things. For your LP, maybe not as straightforward or immediately obvious. Personally i apply critical thinking to reasoning, philosophizing and debating really really well. As those are my domains of mastery. You mentioned you were studying philosophy, and critical thinking is obviously applicable to philosophy. You can reason better, understand things in that domain better and generate new insights with strong critical thinking abilities. But maybe philosophy isn't your domain of mastery or related to your LP or you're not super passionate about it. it sounded like it mostly wasn't, or at least i didn't get that sense. But with ADHD i think it's especially important to follow your passion! Of course, that's what you're trying to do already, but it's important to emphasize insofar as there’s more self discovery to be had & more alignment to be done. Trying to force yourself to do things you don’t genuinely want to do is probably not going to work in the long term. We (ADHDers) thrive when we're doing things we care about, so with people like us it's especially important to align our career goals with our passions and strengths.

What's CS? Cognitive science? Or perhaps computer science more likely. What's the impact you want to have with your work / life purpose? Have you understood reality yet? My LP is related to philosophy, as philosophy or philosophical debate is my my domain of mastery. Haven't (yet) studied any math beyond high school level but sense that there’s something deeply interesting, something philosophically interesting to realize in understanding certain things about mathematics.

The best introductory course on the topic.

I am deeply passionate about philosophy and critical discussions. It's almost all I think about all the time anyway and I'm annoyed by some of the idiocy that passes for philosophy these days. So since i've managed to pick up a few skills here and there by just impulsively debating and thinking about philosophy so much as the ADHDer i am, i thought i'd go in and try to clean up some of the mess they've created in academic philosophy. Through getting dragged into philosophical discussions on the internet and listening to various philosophical content and debates on the internet over the years, i have developed strong abilties in Methodological reasoning conceptual clarity critical thinking But also some things like wisdom and love of learning. So my strengths already align with the abilities you need as a professional philosopher anyway. And more than that, i'd say that in my own assessment, i have already developed a bachelors level understanding almost entirely on my own without any formal education in philosophy. Although some of the abilities and understanding i've developed go beyond what can be captured in terms of any degree. In a sense i don't feel like I have a choice. This path has chosen me, even if it sounds corny. Currently my main target is consciousness, the hard problem of consciousness and various philosophical ideas about consciousness, but eventually i also want to address political and societal issues and affect deep change on like a systemic level. Any tips or advice? Of course, l should improve and get a phd in philosophy but besides that general advice what do you suggest i do to ace this LP?

I understand your dilemma. The life purpose course helps if you haven't taken that already. Also as you gain more experience and develop more skill, a purpose will become more and more clear.

Sure i'm up for that! I don't really know how to do that though. Can we dm from this forum or do we have to give contact information?

Ok, so your mission is sort of to make the history is sort of to make your country less ideological and more truthful in their sense of history or in how that history is derived? Can you say which country youre in, by the way? I mean since the aim is to become a professional philosopher, i'll have to do a phd i, guess. So first step is to get into desired philosophy program/course at university. Thinking in terms of degrees isn't enough, though. I think in terms of getting really really good. I won't go into too much detail on that to not risk giving away too many details from the LP course. I'm actually currently corresponding with a professional philosopher, where we are having like a metadiscussion on what exactly is the hard problem of consciousness. And from that discussion, I'm in a process of generating pretty strong critiques of how it is was originally phrased and how it's commonly interpreted, i'd say. I suspect some of these critiques are original critiques. And I don't have any degrees yet. I'd also love to here more about the process you're going through with your LP.

Nice. Do you have an idea of what impact you want to have ultimately with this life purpose? i don't have any degree. I'm self taught so far in what I've learned, which there's still plenty left to do of course. But plan is to get a degree or a couple degrees, yeah, but also just to get really really good at this stuff, as presumebly that will lead to the best opportunities and satisfaction in the career.

Thank you, and that's awesome! So you're going to be a historian?

Some of the most common debate tactics i see are attempts at distortion and evasion tactics, so misrepresenting the other side and dodging their points / questions / arguments, also known as straw man and red herring fallacies. Begging the question is also very common. I can go on and on about common dirty / misleading debate tactics. However i suspect much if not even most of the time it's done unconsciously. Theyre not aware theyre doing it.

Make ideas and beliefs illegal. Is this a joke?

I dont wanna listen to mature bald guy! I wanna listen to the immature bald guy! The mature bald guy is boring. I wanna listen to the immature bald guy and integrate the good things he says and say fuck the immature toxic stuff he says. (i do want to listen to the mature bold guy but it sounds better if i said like I did above)

Jay dyer looked very bad against detroyer and ask yourself.

I've experienced similar. I went on a pick up bootcamp once and every night after i went to bed I was tortured by really bad stomach pain. I guess even though the mind is chill there's actually fear that you're not being aware of, or not being fully aware of, but which is perhaps being suppressed and then manifests bodily in the ways you describe. I don't know if I'm saying something insightful or obvious here. and I've experienced the restlessness too, even though I have felt mostly fine mentally. like fine enough to where I first didn't think the restlessness had anything to do with the mild anxiety felt during the interaction with the girl. but now I think it might have been my body reacting to anxiety I didn't in the moment become fully aware of but which was perhaps suppressed. but I don't know though so I hope someone else will reply to your post.

ADHD is NOT just a medicalisation of boredom in a similar way that autism is not just a medicalisation of quirky and socially awkward kids. I worry that you're trivializing the serious problems many people with adhd have if we talk about it as just boredom. talking about it like that makes it seem like it's something trivial and not a real and serious problem for which treatment can be helpful. but it is very much a real and serious problem. we can see that the brain of people with adhd looks meaningfully different compared to people who don't have adhd. and to mention some of the problems, people with adhd tend to struggle a lot with friendships and relationships, on average they are undereducated because they struggle with academics, they are overrepresented in car accidents, drug and alcohol abuse, and perhaps the main thing they struggle with is sustaining their effort towards reaching their goals, which is a huge problem because trying to reach our goals is basically the game we're playing here in life, and people with adhd tend to suck at it. the experts say medication helps a lot in most cases. and treatment that doesn't involve medication is largely ineffective. when we say things that contradict what i'm saying here we risk making it harder for people with adhd to get the treatment that actually significantly helps those who really struggle in life with all the difficulties that adhd entails. or maybe it is meaningfully treatable without adhd meds, but not known among those we’d consider experts. like maybe it’s treatable with like heavy metal cleansing or whatever, but unless there is something like that, then please don’t go around acting like adhd is not real and that meds aren’t an essential and important thing for those who really struggle with adhd. that can be harmful.

Instantiates how stage red is born out of harsh environments where red values and functioning is necessary for surviving and meeting one's basic needs.

Thanks. I really appreciate all those guys.

That’s a good question, but I think there are some other relevant questions in doing a sort of philosophical inquiry into the framework you’ve presented. Are the words ‘nature’ and ‘everything’ just synonyms? Is that how people use these words? To some, nature may just be synonymous to the physical universe. But some believe that the physical universe is not everything. So, what is everything? Not all people agree on what everything constitutes. That is there are different ideas about what does and doesn’t exist. In regard to the question you asked, it seems to me to be more interesting to ask whether the physical world or everything in the physical world is conscious rather than whether everything in general is conscious. If everything means all things, and things such as the emotions or the phenomenological experience behind your closed eyes are regarded as things in some relevant sense, then the question by implication includes the question of whether an emotion is conscious, and whether the darkness behind your closed eyes is conscious. It is certainly part of a conscious experience, but are they themselves conscious? It isn’t obvious to me to what extent we’d want to entertain such questions. However, it is more obvious that we want to entertain the question of whether the physical world is conscious or whether everything in the physical world is conscious. If we look a bit more closely at this question, we can see that it seems to mean different things. Are all the fundamental building blocks of which the physical world is made conscious? At what scale are each of the building blocks of the physical world conscious? Are protons, neutrons, and electrons conscious? Are individual objects such as rocks, tables and chairs conscious? Where do we draw the line? Perhaps they are not conscious, but perhaps the physical world as a whole is conscious? The former questions are related to views such as microexperientialism and panexperientialism. The latter is the question of cosmopsychism. I am not deep into the literature on these views, but the key motivation for microexperientialist and panexperientialist views seem to be motivated to explain why we have consciousness as philosophical progression from the inability of mainstream physicalism (commonly thought of as 'materialism') to account for consciousness in physicalist terms (the hard problem of consciousness). However, both microexperientialism and panexperientialism run into a problem of their own. Namely the subject combination problem, which is the problem of explaining how the combination of multiple micro level subjects result in macro level subjects such as ourselves with a unitary experience of their own. Cosmopsychists propose that it is not the fundamental building blocks of the physical world such as fundamental subatomic particles that are conscious, but that it is the physical world as a whole that is conscious, and thereby we get rid of the subject combination problem. In its place, however, a new problem arises. Namely, the decombination problem or also called the decomposition problem which is about how the higher level subject of the physical world decomposes or decombines into multiple lower level subjects such as ourselves. A proposed solution to this problem is that the higher level cosmic subject undergoes a form of dissociation by virtue of which the decombination into multiple lower level subjects is accomplished. Personally, I think this is a sufficient solution. So, I take a cosmophychist view. And I also agree with Leo that nature (if by nature we here mean the physical world) is grounded within consciousness. So, I take a form of idealist cosmopsychist view à la philosopher Bernardo Kastrup according to which the physical world as a whole not only is conscious, but also is grounded within consciousness so that it effectively is being dreamed up by consciousness. This view is not only supported by forms of mystical insights and experiences and a type of awareness but is also on rational grounds, in my view, the view that, in terms of reasons to believe which view is true, is superior. With regard to the question of theism a relevant question seems to me to be whether the cosmic consciousness within which the physical world is situated is synonymous with God or not. I guess it technically comes down to how God is defined. We need to come up with a reasonable definition of god and be able to show that the definition entails that cosmic consciousness is god. But I also guess that if enough people just start calling cosmic consciousness god, then it just becomes one of the ways that god can be defined. Maybe we are at that point already.