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@KH2 I think there's value to what you're saying here dude. However, I notice a pattern of absoluteism in the way you post. It seems to me you frequently jump from one ideology to another, and claim it is the best and claim its the way to go from everyone.

@spiritual memes Lmao. *Andrew Tate in therapy* Therapist: Is the matrix in the room with us right now Andrew?

@How to be wise From your posts it seems like you have changed quite significantly. You had a lot of success with Byron Katie's stuff no?

@integral Think it depends upon where you are in terms of your own level of emotional mastery. As well as how the problems relate to issues in your own personal life.

@Rasheed No, I don't think so. You would need proper reference experiences, imo. For example, MMA training.

@Max_V I think it would depend on her attachment style. If she is not secure, she might react adversely. Also, I think it would depend on why you were being vulnerable. Are you sharing your vulnerabilities to build intimacy or are you trying to get her to fix you? I think non violent communication could be a useful way to learn to be vulnerable. That said, I lack direct experience in this area, so am drawing mostly from theory. ----- Edit: Also, imo, at some point, you have to ask yourself what do you want from a relationship?

@How to be wise Seems like a real lack of integrity she's suffering from. I reckon she has an egoic agenda that is the backbone of her political career. Hence such a big switch.

@Butters Perhaps a meditation practice could help. You could learn to watch and process through the urges that come up.

@KH2 You meditate?

@KH2 Makes sense to me dude. I have a part of me that Tate figures strongly pull on to.

@KH2 Ah i get you

@KH2 ?

@King Merk Lack of healthy father figures in male's lives Lack of educational opportunities Just being young and impressionable Abusive pasts Charismatic leader Those are some of my guesses

My picks

@Hardkill Sounds like you've done some good work in the dating arena so far. Although, I see no mention of inner work, I'd look into that

@evgn I think in about 20 year or so we'll see a real push back against bodyshaming men. We just live in less progressive times imo. But such is the nature of progress

@LoneWonderer Imo, life experiences, circumstances and genetics bring people here. If i didn't have a laptop i wouldnt be here. If i hadn't been into RSD i wouldn't be here. Lots of different factors i think. I guess a certain pen mindedness is essential.

Nice to meet you too dude . happy holidays!

Congrats!

@StarStruck Sorry to hear this happened to you dude. Maybe you could reframe this as a shit test from reality.

Hottest take of 2022 right here lmao

@digitalkaine I had a further think on this discussion. I've thought about the importance of class in these discussions. Which class would you say you're in btw? I.e. lower middle, working etc. I've just been thinking about the potential importance of this. I'd say I grew up lower middle in my country, and I think that'll effect the importance of a figure like Tate compared to someone like who grew up working class. For example, more financial safety nets meaning having to hustle was less necessary or less stressful.

@Twentyfirst I think you make some valid points. I think the rise of Tate can be seen in a similar way to the rise of Trump. You have a particular demographic of the English speaking west which has been left behind and disenfranchised in many ways by present culture: White working class men. And figures like Trump and Tate appeal strongly to these folks. Imo, masculine ideal has been vilified in recent years. The replacement, imo, is embodied in the 'toxic masculinity' movement, i.e. get more in touch with feelings, see women as equals, go to therapy. This move, imo, suffers from a lot of the same faults as first and second wave feminism in that it lacks intersectionality. By that I mean that it doesn't account for how someone's experience of being a man differs according to different factors, i.e. class, immigrant status, skin colour. So, if a guy is middle class, his experience of being a guy is going to be very different than a working class guy. The former can afford to go to therapy for example. Also, there is more likely to be an acceptance and encouragement of therapy. Plus the middle class guy has more opportunities to engage in more fulfilling work due to meet their needs that would have otherwise been met by striving for the masculine ideal. So, the white male working class have a loss of an ideal, and a replacement that is essentially classist and non-realistic, and hence have nowhere to go. Tate simply fills that vacuum imo. I think it parallels the faults with first and second wave feminism, which, to my mind, neglected the importance of things like class and race on women's experiences of being women. So, hopefully we'd be able to see a new wave of 'toxic masculinity' movement. Preferably which took into account things like class, race, attractiveness etc. and had folks with lived experiences leading the movement, i.e. white working class guys. I'd be curious to hear thoughts on this.

@digitalkaine I guess we simply have a difference of opinion. I think there are much smarter ways to get the benefits that you get from some of Tate's work, i.e. shadow work, depth psychotherapy. And you don't get all the risks that I think come with consuming Tate's content.