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@Leo Gura Would I be understanding you correctly if I saw you as saying that all your previous enlightenment teaching are bs too? Or do you mean something else?

@Leo Gura Has your new experience made you re-evaluate any of your previous teachings? Such that you would like to modify them or see them as obsolete

@Asayake lol

@Carl-Richard Ah I'm dissapointed, I was otherwise curious

Lmao that's me. Why the hate?

I don't believe the human trafficking allegation are true. I'd say he has a lot of orange and red, and a noticeable amount of blue.

@Feonix_Fire Do you have someone who provides you with empathy, understanding, and support who you trust?

Enlightenment 2.0 - Mouse realisation

@Asayake I'd recommend Grayrocking in your situation. Here's a vid. I think Dr Ramani is a useful source in general. If you're feeling up for going non-contact, I'd recommend that. Also, I think there may be a chance that he will try to persuade other people to persuade you to still be friends with him or revert your behaviour back from grayrocking. Its a phenomena known as 'Flying Monkeys', Ramani has videos on that too. In my experience, once you understand how folks with narcissistic personal disorders behave they are rather predictable. However, I have found that it can still be emotionally stressful and confusing even if you know why they are acting in the way they are. I think it will be important for you to be in somewhat consistent contact with a trustworthy person who gets the situation you are in and the behaviour of NPD folks. I think that could help you maintain your sense of reality and perspective.

@Axiomatic Why did you link that video in reply to that comment of mine?

Imo, American society does not adequately account for the unique presentation of needs that the African American demographic has in contemporary society. Also, the socioeconomic status that the demographic is essentially currently locked into. Where society doesn't provide adequate means for people to meet their needs, various subcultures will develop so as to fulfil those needs. I'd say the subculture of hip hop is part of that. Hip hop may give a sense of being seen and understood to a lot of African American folks for example. If you try and restrict that subculture, it will simply be replaced by another subculture. And I'd bet division in society would continue to fracture. Imo, unless you solve the root issue which is that American society is not structured to meet the needs of the African American demographic then subcultures will develop to fill the vacuum. However, the collective ego of America will resist this, as the powerful folks will not like their survival being threatened by societal restructuring. So, they will generally unconsciously devalue critiques of the social order, and present rationalisations of why the social order is to be preferred and present various rationalisations about the true causes of unrest in society. Imo, one of those ways is to scapegoat black culture, i.e. hip hop. Maybe there could be some useful benefits to changing some elements black culture. However, it would firstly have to be done strategically, i.e. provide an attractive enough alternative subculture. Secondly, it doesn't address the root cause whatsoever. So, the same sorts of situations will continue to perpetuate again and again and again just maybe in different forms.

You don't think capitalist systems inherently leads to artificially created demand?

@Axiomatic You want more consideration of male issues?

I'd say, people join because they perceive its more satisfying of their needs than not joining. it meets needs like need for significance, sex, acceptance, ease, understanding, clarity, stability. Probs lots more. For example, I'd say it meets a need for stability and community because a lot of dudes who get into pickup, to my mind, have an outcast identity due to their adolescence and childhood. The idea of pickup as a community that operates outside of social norms meets a lot of these dude's needs for stability (i.e. keep their core identity) and also provides them community. Also, I think you have to factor in all the subtle marketing that many of the pick up artists will use to get you to join and keep you there. I.e. I found that there is a lot of devaluing of folks who leave the community before getting regular sexual experiences, and I think that plays into people's fear of loss of acceptance and loss of significance. Creates a cult like dynamic, imo. So, I think there a lot of dynamics at play. Also, when other groups try to get people to stop pickup, I'd say its usually a lot of stage blue or green folks who try. To my experience, they usually demonise many aspects of pickup. From what I've seen and imagine Green folks will sometimes empathise with various parts of it but don't offer a suitable alternative way that these guys can meet their needs, plus don't account for the cult like dynamics that work to keep many of the guys in the community. Plus I don't think the green folk will be that effective with stage red guys who I'd say are relatively abundant in pickup. So, I'd also say there is the dynamic that pick up folk are not attracted attractive alternatives to pick up. Hence they stay involved.

@KH2 Ah lol

@KH2 What position?

Who are 'they'?

@spiritual memes Ye dude same

I'll have a go at making some guesses. One because there is a greater public awareness of pick up artists these days. So some will have a certain understanding of what the intention and mindset is of these pick up guys that comes from that awareness. From what I've seen it tends to be a negative perception. And then they project that understanding onto the pick up guy. Also, though pick up is legal, its outside of social norms, so people feel less of a sense of stability, and perhaps by devaluing pick up guys, they have a greater sense of stability. Also, I'd say there are lots of other incentives for criticising and devaluing pick up behaviours. I.e. opportunity to gain acceptance and trust amongst one's peer group. For example, a guy walking with group of girls. Or i.e. people don't accept the part of themselves which goes against social norms, and so project the contempt they hold for that part of themselves onto someone who they see going against social norms.

@Razard86 To my understanding, the goated content on this is the ellipsis manual by Chase Hughes.

However, to my mind, our ancestors only didn't die from that because they had a different combination of circumstance, life experience and biology. So, in that aspect, I'd say our ancestors are privileged compared to a guy who died from excessive doughnut eating.

@Dinkle64 I'd recommend thinking about your situation in terms of your needs. I can recommend you a resource to start of with if you want. Would you like that? In my perspective, everything we do, even in our mind, is an attempt to meet a need of ours. So, all thoughts are an attempt to meet a need. So, to my mind, your present actions are not because you refuse to participate in capitalism. Instead, it is because what you are currently doing is meeting one or multiple of your needs, including your thought that you are refusing to participate in capitalism. For example, you might be meeting a need for significance (being in 'in group' of anti-capitalists) and a need for rest (by not working). So, I'd recommend learning about what the universal human needs are. Then what your present unconscious strategies are for meeting your needs. Then find a mentor that will help you change your needs meeting strategies so that you can meet your needs in, what I see to be, a more adaptive way. An example of this last step would be a depth psychotherapist. A mentor like Thais Gibson's online academy could be a useful start. I'm not intending to communicate judgement or fault. However, to my understanding, if you do not become conscious of the driving force of needs then your behaviour will remain a mystery to yourself.

Hmmm, I'd say because the rich own almost all the assets in society. Lower economic classes tend to own hardly an assets in comparison. Assets tend to continuously increase in value over time. To my understanding, the value of assets is known as wealth. So, the rich are very wealthy, and that wealth, relative to the wealth of lower economic classes, is under most economic structures constantly increasing. I think that this constant increase of value of assets also causes inflation to rise. Meaning the value of 1 unit of currency decreases. The money pool of the poor then is therefore essentially decreasing in value to compensate for the increase in value of the assets that the rich have. Hence, inequality continues to grow between the economic power of the rich and the poor. I think governments then have to regulate all this somehow. However, there is a lot of corruption in this process of regulation. And also the democratic process is corrupted by all sorts of things like manipulative marketing, further corruption, lobbying, voter suppression etc. So, the public are rendered unconscious of what is actually happening in their country and why they seem to have less economic power than they used to. An example would be scapegoating. To my understanding, many right wing governments will scapegoat a certain section of the population for issues of inequality in society. Therefore, many people in lower classes therefore think there loss of economic power is due to these scapegoated groups and think its in their interests to get rid of them. However, in the mean time the real causes of inequality continue to perpetuate. For me the hope is that then you have more conscious political actors to come in, and try and actually address the root issues. Whilst also being very strategic in doing so, such that they can actually gain, hold and retain enough power to actually fix the issues. I don't have a super solid understanding of economics. But i've pieced this together from what I've heard.

@KH2 Welcome back btw dude

Lmao i only realised who the actual creators of the vid were about 3 mins into the video. Was confused af! Came up with some interesting ways of rationalising why the no fap cult was working the way it did and why some of my favourite comedians were in the vid, before i realised tho LMAO.