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@Hardkill There are a lot of very rich groups and people in the US who put a lot of funding into manipulating the populace into the believing in neoliberal views. Lots of big donor funding for people like Ben Shapiro, fox news etc. I think Noam Chomsky's ideas around manufactured consent could prove insightful for you on this issue.

Hi all, I am trying out experimenting with a meditation where in I just try to note whenever i become aware of a different sense. Each time i do I note 'experience'. My intent is to just attention drift naturally. I was wondering if anyone knew what kind of meditation this. Thanks in advance.

@Something Funny Perhaps you would find value in reading the books, 'Mastery' by George Leonard, and 'Atomic Habits' by James Clear. Maybe integrating the lessons from those books could help make your more intense meditation goals more likely.

Men aren't just putting on a persona for women in my opinion. Its for other guys a lot of the time. If guys acted authentically in a lot of circles they would likely be shunned or even unsafe. The traumatisation during school is pretty harsh for a lot of guys growing up too, especially at schools lower down the socioeconomic ladder. Its pretty brutal the bullying that happens to a fair few of the kids who get identified as outcasts or different. Some of that trauma ends up staying with kids for life. So, there is a lot of survival benefit to maintaining a macho persona. People don't just put on personas for no reason. And, on the matter of pickup, I think what some people don't take into account is how many guys use it as a means to learn serious social skills, hence using it as a means of therapy.

@abundance Thanks for the compliment Yep, i don't doubt the positive impact of meditation in prisons. I believe meditation can be a very powerful tool. I get your point about empathy, meditation and political change.

@Schizophonia I think i found some of your leaked infield footage mate

@abundance I think you'd also need to account for the dark side of meditation. In terms of all the unconscious stuff it brings up, i wouldn't be surprised if some people ended up becoming more violent as a consequence, and that would derail the whole thing. Also, i imagine the optics of such a group meditation would not go down well with many demographics. I.e. i think a lot would see it as a means of trying to dulcify the oppressed sections of societies and they would act in some manner. Really I think improving mass consciousness would be much better achieved via focusing and advocating for political change, and also technological advancement. Mainly advocating for political change though in my opinion.

@DocWatts I'd actually disagree with some of your points of view here. I.e. with regards to "No quantity and quality of meditation in the world is going to help someone who's struggling to keep a roof over their head." I don't think that is true. I don't think its true that meditation will mainly just make them more resilient in the face of bad circumstances. I wouldn't be surprised if quite a few in human history have found peace, despite very adverse circumstances, through meditation. I mean i think that is why meditation is so popular really. It was sorted of created to deal with the depravities of the pre-modern age, where any day you could just die, drop dead, have your wife be suddenly raped and killed, be exiled from the tribe etc.

@Paul Boldyrev Thanks man. I like your vibe btw dude ?

@Leo Gura I think if you learnt IFS theory and had direct experience with it you would have a different perspective.

@Jowblob Ye bud maybe tone it down with the projection accusations. (I'm not speaking in my capacity as a mod in making in this comment though)

@BlessedLion I feel like, from your posts and comments, you're transitioning from stage orange into stage green much more. And I think this post here fits with that. Very stage green attitude, in my opinion. But ye, more on topic, I've felt a big misanthropic mindset come into greater play in my mind. Something i try and work on. Think it was there before. That said, I think a certain misanthropic attitude can be a part of the self actualization journey. Particularly if one's intellectual development outpaces one's inner emotional and belief work. I think that is certainly the case for me and i resonate with the quote: Ecclesiastes 1:18 "For with much wisdom comes much sorrow; the more knowledge, the more grief". However, my belief is that once one makes significant gains in their emotional mastery journey then that misanthropic attitude becomes more integrated, and just one of an array of various personal attitudes.

@Paul Boldyrev I'd include a concentration practice. Leo has a video titled concentration vs meditation.

@EdgeGod900 Ye it is I unfortunately do not catch your drift *cries*

@integral Fairs. Maybe, at this point of your life, your time would be better spent outside of this forum.

@MsNobody Lmao! I literally had the same exact thought about ex machina. I also thought about the film 'Her' lol. @MsNobody Haha ye it blows my mind that something like this has finally been created. And it was literally created by some dude on reddit who just got a lot of progress out of usual IFS and wanted to turn it into an AI! He says he's going to continue to try to refine it over time too. The future is now

@EdgeGod900 Fairs man. I stand by what i said, and I disagree with a lot of your points. But we can disagree.

@LSD-Rumi Fairs man. Perhaps we just have different beliefs that mean that we see things differently. A sort of overview of my point of view is by changing your beliefs to more empowering ones then you can improve your level of game (pickup ability).

@LSD-Rumi I get you bro. However, I'd offer the following perspectives. First I'd question how you know that is actually true, and not just a commonly held cultural assumption. Secondly, I'd question whether if that is actually so, girls might feel a deep desire to have an attractive guy approach them, and so are really wanting you to approach them in an attractive way. Thirdly, I think it might be worth contemplating on the difference between 'true' beliefs and empowering beliefs. Sometimes its better to have an empowering belief than a 'true' belief. And often, in my opinion, by changing your beliefs that new belief simply becomes what is true. For example, say you have the belief that 'women hate sex', then i imagine the way you would act would make it more likely that you have interactions with women which trigger women to act as though they hate sex. However, if you changed that to the belief that 'women love sex' then I imagine you would more likely have interactions with women that trigger them to act more as though they love sex. So, its like your beliefs can create your reality, in my opinion. So, perhaps consider trying to adopt the most empowering set of beliefs with respect to your goals. That said, i recognise there are some limitations to it. I.e. if you try to adopt the belief that "if you whip your dick out in the local supermarket, supermodels will emerge through the walls and suck your dick", that probably won't stop you getting arrested by the police if you actually do it . And that adopting some beliefs would simply risk you transgressing cultural norms to an extent that you come off to unrelatable and socially uncalibrated.

@Jannes If you want a reliable answer to a legal question, I'd get the services of a competent/ well-regarded solicitor/ attorney who has legal expertise in the relevant context, and relevant legal jursidiction, i.e. England and Wales, or the certain state you're in. Even understanding what legal jurisdiction your query would fall under requires expert advice, in my opinion. In my opinion, there's a lot of misleading legal advice out there. Its important not just in terms of getting correct legal advice, but also for issues of legal liability, i.e. I imagine you'll be more likely to get treated better by the relevant law if you are found in breach of some law because you followed incorrect legal advice from a solicitor in their professional capacity, rather than someone on an internet forum.

@MsNobody I literally just discovered this AI chatbot today. I think it could be of value. But the chatbot is designed to help guide you to do IFS therapy sessions on yourself. My view is it basically guides you to do IFS parts work on your own, in a similar way that an IFS Therapist would. Here's the link: https://ifs-therapist.vercel.app/ I haven't had an enormous amount of direct experience with the app so far, given the very recent discovery of it. But i had results from it even with the first day that i was very impressed by! And, my view is you could do some very deep parts work with it. Though I think you'd have to be okay with a few technical glitches, and some limitations like it not being able to keep data from previous sessions.

@Danioover9000 I'm curious what NLP modality do you use?

@LSD-Rumi Nice bro. I'd think about considering working with your beliefs here. It seems quite me versus them. And I imagine that will come through in your vibe. Perhaps you could work on getting a more empowering belief in this context. For example, 'It just didn't happen yet with her', 'she just wasn't in the place in her life to have an awesome experience', or 'Girls here are not stupid, just disheartened by the fact they don't meet awesome guys like me that often'. Also, I'd look into eventually thinking about how you contributed to this state of affairs. Perhaps, if you say had a different set of underlying beliefs then she would have had a different experience of you, and be ecstatic at the idea of meeting up with you :). Or maybe you need to work on something like eye contact. But I guess for now its probably just worth focusing on getting your number of approaches up before you start getting into really analysing your approaches. But ye man I respect your courage and tenacity to take action in this domain!

@molosku @Leo Gura I understand the point of view that Leo's way of speaking in videos can just seem arrogant. But honestly, and I'd say i've contemplated this for a long time, i think there is a lot of potential for devilry in getting Leo to consider changing his speaking style in videos. In my opinion, the way you speak Leo resonates with very low consciousness parts of people and like you say gets people out of complacency. If you stop communicating in that manner then i am rather confident that these people simply wouldn't resonate with your new style of communications, and they would be attracted to other voices that resonate at that level. And there are a lot of dark, twisted manipulative individuals who will resonate with these low consciousness people, and just exploit them to their own end. For myself, I have a lot of trauma, i.e. serious depression, CPTSD. And in the past I've had times where i've said screw this, and stopped watching your content and also stopped looking at pickup. And i end up unconsciously looking for a new authority figure who resonates with my level of consciousness, and end up in abusive situations and relationships. I think on the forum there is a lot more room for positive change because i think regulars are much more bought in here, and also can keep the resonance going by watching your youtube videos. In my opinion, telling Leo to change his speaking style in videos is literally threatening people's lives and making people vulnerable to abuse. And making very vulnerable people even more vulnerable. I think its so important to have at least some sort of understanding of the positives of Leo's speaking style in videos. Otherwise, and I know it might seem harsh and even dramatic, but you're literally, in ignorance, risking a lot of people's lives.

@MsNobody Congrats! Cool to see an actualized.org forum user collab too.