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@Annoynymous I'm not too well versed in American politics, but I get the impression corporate democrats are actually about 20% Blue 75% Orange 5% Green, they pay a lot of lip service to Green but don't really embody anything in it, at least not a lot. Just my intuition considering how much they're resisting Bernie. What do you think? Edit: Also yea Obama is significantly overrated to what most of what everyone says in this community including Leo. Yea he talks like a yellow systems thinker and vouches for green values but talk is cheap. Actions matter more than words. He had 8 years in office and I don't think his presidency reflected a Green/Yellow person like so many people say.

Majority of fruits don't need to be refrigerated. Different kinds of nuts don't need to be cold. Those 2 categories have tons and tons of options and are healthy!

Expansion of your comfort zone guarantees improved confidence and reduced fear at the very least.

People need to be more like Chakra Lion. He came into this thread with certain perceptions, ideas, and beliefs, and has ended with a stronger mind and higher tolerance. It's that kind of open-mindedness and willingness to change that Leo advocates. Way too many people even in this community bullshit themselves and don't do the work. They just pay lip service and fall into self-deception. My hat is off to you mate.

@Derek White if one person is sober and the other one is not, no it is not consensual. It's great school is teaching you that. That is a very dangerous and slippery slope and it's a good principle to just avoid it all together. Personally I will very rarely have sex with my girlfriend if she's had anything to drink (I don't drink) and she's literally a consent educator lol! Of course if you are BOTH under the influence that changes things, but you have to realize people are quite easily manipulated while drunk (or on most drugs for that matter), and their intentions/wants are not completely transparent or aligned with what they might have wanted if they were sober in the same context. Devils will selfishly exploit this for their own pleasure. They think someone being drunk is explicit permission to advance. Don't be a devil. Be smart and respectful.

@Cykaaaa updated for ya.

If YOU were paying attention you'd realize I never elaborated or put forth any position or argument about carnism. My first post was literally a statement that, "Humans who eat meat exist. Accept their existence." That was it. Your reaction was to project a conclusion onto me that I think it's ok that animals are slaughtered for food, then implied "people like me" support slavery and don't like black people ------------> Like I said, you're an emotional troll, or at the very least you behave like one.

I think the argument is just simple math friend. It's the same reason why one person choosing to drive less means there is less carbon being put in the air. One person does make a difference. In the grand scheme of things the number is small but it's still a number none-the-less. The only question is how much do you want to participate in contributing to the problem or solving it. That's your decision obviously.

This is exactly the kind of stuff that prevents people from seriously engaging with you. Consider you might need to shoot your psychoanalysis gun in the mirror instead of at everyone else.

Here is a third perspective; Stop being an obscurantist troll. Stop posting walls of text that don't specifically address anything and just serve as a way for you vent your frustrations instead of discussing (which is the purpose of a forum). Stop making egregious and inapplicable analogies about the holocaust and slavery, and then implying that people who don't think like you are racist or bigoted or supportive of these things. Meet people where they are at and in context and everything will simply go a lot smoother.

5:30 to 6:00 - Wake up, washroom, shower, grooming, affirmations/hype up. 6:00 to 6:30 - Make small breakfast, eat, journal. 6:30 to 7:00 - Silent mindfulness meditation. 7:00 to 8:00 - Go to gym, rotate each day between weights and basketball/cardio. 8:00 to 9:00 - Come back home, make large breakfast, check emails, respond to texts/calls, stocks, manage investments/finances, do any pressing errands/to-do-list. 9:00 to 11:00 - Personal Development/Self-Help reading only. 11:00 to 12:00 - Brainstorming/Research for concepts and ideas. 12:00 to 1:30 - Make good lunch, chill, watch helpful/interesting videos, search for inspiration. 1:30 to 3:00 - Action time. Work on business, implementation, learning/working on skills. 3:00 to 5:00 - History, autobiography, misc reading only. 5:00 to 9:00 - Whatever the fuck I want time. Live, relax, love the girlfriend. 9:00 to 9:30 - Contemplation meditation > Reflect on day, absorb any possible lessons. 9:30 to 5:30 - Try to turn my loud ass brain off and sleep LOL. I could probably crunch and accomplish all that in less time, but I think it's smart to give yourself permission to pace yourself through each part so you don't feel rushed and exhausted to meet your times. Obviously if responsibilities/appointments come up I need to heavily alter the schedule. This is the general guideline for 6 days a week. It's always subject to change if I need to accomplish different goals. I take Sundays free from this schedule to have dates with my gf, do grocery shopping, clean the apartment, go hiking, have fun. I'm working on building a life coaching practice right now similar what Leo does (or used to do I guess), but I have different interests/approaches I want to take about it. At the moment I'm gathering competence and skills to put things together and make the whole thing actual. I have the skeleton for pretty well everything, I just need to start putting the meat on it. It's hard work! Sometimes I lapse and end up free-styling some days. For the kind of person I am I need the discipline of a well thought out schedule. I've always struggled with perfectionism and procrastination so breaking things down like this really helps my brain make is graspable and not overwhelming.

Between Duncan and Nanaimo is everything goes as planned. Might consider somewhere else though.

Interesting study. I'd say the taste answer is the one I've heard the most too when people are cornered logically. My conclusion was just more of a reach of my intuition that most people are not willing to be honest about their beliefs. I think there is more underlying psychology but I'll agree with the study and concede. Let me illuminate my thoughts in how I view understanding. I break it down in 4 stages; Ignorance>Knowledge>Awareness>Embodiment. The example here is meat consumption because well, that's what we're discussing Ignorance - Someone who is completely oblivious to the suffering of animals and environment impact it has. When confronted with and shown the facts they get defensive, or just willingly discard them from their reality. Knowledge - Someone who has been shown enough to know that meat consumption is generally harmful. However it hasn't suaded them to make or consider any life changes. They go on eating meat with almost zero emotional recoil or shame. Awareness - Someone who is deeply connected to the issue and true plight of our situation. Little to no meat consumption. They feel regret or other negative feelings if they lapse and eat any meat. They try to spread their own awareness to others. However being connected to the issue and "getting it" they react emotionally to the people of Ignorance or Knowledge below them. They don't accept the existence of the stages below them. Embodiment - Someone who has transcended the emotional stage. Little to no meat consumption. They still fully acknowledge the true plight and harmful impacts of meat consumption, but they don't let the emotions and resonance they have dictate their actions or interactions with others. They do accept the existence of the stages below them and act carefully and effectively. Lead by example. I think too many people at the awareness stage don't realize you can't bring up people to your level of awareness by brute force. They won't come if they're kicking and screaming because they are being treated like children. Like I said the information should be politely and surgically put before them and eventually their consciousness will "click". You can say this is too passive and possibly counter-productive that's fair. However I didn't even lay out my own personal strategy when I even engaged in this thread. I just simply pointed out that people should stop shaming others and getting emotional about the issue. As for the human bias aspect and baby analogy, I concur that is something to consider. All I'll say against that is we're not at that level yet so I don't see how it's entirely relevant. We can't skip stages. The content and people engaged in this thread are stage green people trying to unhealthily force people from stage blue and orange to go up. I as a stage yellow vegetarian am simply trying to help illuminate their strategic blunder. Ultimately should I have used a word like "triggered"? Probably not, but hey sometimes it's amusing to give people a taste of their own medicine, and there is the off chance they self reflect. Also while I've been keeping an eye on this thread I made a yummy naan/veggy curry dinner hehe https://imgur.com/a/kC3oA7R

@Scholar My view is incredibly realistic. I'm just an objective observer pointing out the reality that yours and others emotional investment in the situation doesn't help raise the consciousness of mankind. You just turn it into a mud slinging contest. It doesn't help you (you are salty and aggressively reacting to people who aren't toeing YOUR line of thought) It doesn't help the people who still eat meat (they take it as you talking down to them, and refuse to change as a result) Also that comparison is hilariously inept and shows exactly how much of a bad actor you are in this. I've been vegetarian for MANY years. I shouldn't even have to fucking say this because it shouldn't be relevant lol, but you make it relevant because this is far more of an egoic thing for you than you're even aware of. Acceptance isn't about being passive and complacent about terrible things that happen in the world. It's about being realistic and taking the world as it is instead of neurotically trying to change it to what YOU think it should be. Stage Green vegans desperately need to learn this if they want to accomplish anything. This will help tremendously so please give it a chance; If you really wanted to raise collective consciousness effectively you'd realize a good place to start is to accept where people are at instead of treating them as "less than" by posting a bunch of shitty memes and crying like a little girl calling people "bigoted". You'll catch more flies with honey than vinegar. P.S. I didn't use the word "triggered" here as petty satire. It's just happened to be perfectly applicable.

@Serotoninluv You are correct, but my statement wasn't absolute and all-inclusive. I am very particular about my language! My point is that most people, and even those in developed countries are just not truly conscious of the option they have not to eat meat, or that it's really unnecessary (at the cost of suffering for the animals). No technically speaking they do not need to eat meat to survive, and of course you see that as well because you have a certain level of awareness. Apart of their identity is the idea that they need meat to survive, it doesn't matter to them if it's not compatible with reality. This becomes patently obvious anecdotally if you try and talk to anybody about this and try to "convert" them to some form of vegetarianism or veganism. I've had a co-worker literally admit that yes what goes on in factories is terrible and you don't need it but he still won't give meat up lol. This is deeper than rationality, it's a part of culture and identity. You need to exercise patience and realize that the overwhelming majority of people will need to come to that level of awareness on their own. They need to have that moment that everything "clicks" for them. Shoving slaughterhouse videos and statistics in their face and screaming won't accomplish anything. When you do that you are attacking their literal identity. The results that come from that are painfully predictable. I disagree with you about, I would say most people not a small portion, in developed countries actually DO believe they need to eat animals to survive. Otherwise vegetarians/vegans wouldn't only make up a pathetic 2-5%? of the population. You are totally on the dot about it human-centered bias playing out in all this though. It's just irrational behavior at the bottom of it. The same reason people smoke cigarettes to the grave. It just "feels good", that's all that matters.

So many triggered stage green vegans in here, this thread is a classic and should be posted in the green examples mega-thread. You are creating your own suffering. You need to learn and practice acceptance. Accept the reality that in nature animals consume other animals to survive. Accept that humans are animals and participate in this reality. Accept that humanity is not at the place where they can give up most meat consumption, otherwise they would. You are not raising humanities consciousness by proselytizing and demonizing those who haven't realized their destructive ways and adopted your own. You are making them emotionally reactive (like yourself when you get mad at THEM) and entrenching them deeper into their own ignorance and delay the entire process further. Accept where they are at and meat (heh) them at their level with compassion, understanding, and love.

Native Americans and most indigenous groups would be strong examples of healthy Purple. Red is a bit tougher. The best ones I can think of though, you could use rap artists that are "woke" and more in touch with the healthy sides of their culture than most mainstream hip-hip. Kendrick Lamar J.Cole 2-Pac Lupe Fiasco They obviously have a lot of selfish trash mixed in with their music but they do talk about important things a lot of the time. Red is a pretty ego-centric stage, but these rap artists do make the case for healthy red aspects like standing up for yourself, being proud of your identity individually and collectively, the dangers of the organized oppression Blue is capable of etc.

Being dishonest about your motives and making a calculated and manipulative maneuver for more votes is a form of corruption. Corruption is a scale. The smallest bad thought is still a form of corruption. You can call it "populism". That's just another flavor of the same food. "Attachment leads to jealousy, the shadow of greed, that is." - Yoda

An example of a Stage Green prison in the South American country of Uruguay. Inmates are awarded many freedoms like regular citizens. They are encouraged to take on jobs within the prison, like radio host or barber. Really fascinating video and shows how much progress you can make if you humanize the prisoners so they don't feel reduced.

@Hansu Most people are extremely attached to money. It is literally survival after all. To give it away says a tremendous amount about her and her commitment to higher principles. Only 1 in 10,000 people, probably even LESS, would be willing to depart with that much. She is willing to discard her own potential comfort and survival to serve something greater. That is quite high consciousness, not the opposite. Reflect and consider your reaction might because you maybe don't liking her political leanings, therefore you dismiss it as just a "move" by her to get more votes. Perhaps you resent the fact she is exercising a choice that you yourself couldn't make, given your current attachments to your own selfishness or survival. I don't say this to be inflammatory. Just want to point out stuff you might be missing. Edit: Nvm I won't get through to you I wasted my time. I just saw your giant meme as a response to someone stating very obvious truths about politicians. Which is ironic because not only are you naive but also contradict your own views. Corrupt people don't become politicians, yet they're willing to do manipulate virtue signaling to squeeze extra votes? Ok lol.

Considering Leo has literally spent his entire existence the past 10 years trying to optimize his life in every conceivable way, I'm sure he's tried this lol.

Survival still has to come first for the overwhelming majority of people, including many in this community and Leo himself. Being fully and 100% engaged with "enlightened" principles is extremely difficult and near impossible. Realize the standard you're setting before you get so emotional and critical. You're responsible for creating the suffering and anguish. Before you probably last out at me either, I've been vegetarian for many years. Not that it should be relevant, but you will make it so.

Can you list all the psychedelics you've done by the order of intensity, and list the qualities as well. Feel free to share your experiences as well if you like. I'm diving back into learning all about them to see where I can start. I'm starting to get over my limiting beliefs about doing them and would like to explore these possible development tools.

Consider using that negative motivation (fear) to drive some discipline into you. If that's what you need to get started that ok. A lot of people only start this kind of journey because of some bad event or pain they experienced, and they're looking for something more or something else. Once you're in the journey for a little while that motivation might come more organically to you. You never know if you don't try though so.... Sit your ass down and meditate solider!

If you feel it's going to seriously or inevitably interfere with your responsibilities and survival, search for online help. Otherwise, try to get out of your mind and thoughts trying to rationalize and understand the experience like it's a science. Just observe it with as little judgement or reaction as possible. Feel into it. Permit yourself a few days to pass through it.