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Self esteem is the least of this guys problems

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IqVDvnDEJU https://www.girlschase.com/article/you-cant-beat-fear-rejection-more-rejections https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUH2XzXFZMs

So why is it different to you when Hamas embeds itself near civilians to try and stave off IDF strikes? they are also 18 year old kids who are doing anything they can stay alive.

https://www.girlschase.com/content/what-neediness-and-why-do-guys-get-needy-over-girls https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SdiL9XFKkU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5wlZxLN4UQ

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-08-13/ty-article-magazine/.premium/idf-uses-gazan-civilians-as-human-shields-to-inspect-potentially-booby-trapped-tunnels/00000191-4c84-d7fd-a7f5-7db6b99e0000 free link: https://archive.is/knGgW @hundreth @Nivsch @Gennadiy1981 do you consider this a war crime?

- You can still work out a deal around this. For example, negotiate the state be demilitarized, or require its security to be taken up by a outside third party. If Israel is still so against a Palestinian state, then do a one state solution, let all the Palestinians have equal rights with Israelis. - I don’t see how Israel can say them funding families who lost their breadwinner is pure evil when Israel funds IDF directly who kill Palestinians right and left At the time of Hamas’s election the majority of Palestinians who voted for them did not agree with Hamas’s position about Israel not having a right to exist, exit polls showed the main reason was because they saw the other party Fatah hopelessly corrupt and current peace processes not going anywhere. Voting for Hamas wasn’t a punch in the face of Israel, it was a punch in the face of Fatah and the PLO. When Palestinians are passive, it doesn’t make Israel any less violent. Prior to the first Intifada the Palestinians were not nearly as violent despite constant abuses. Currently in the West Bank the Palestinians aren’t even defending themselves and settlers and if and killing them constantly. I’m saying it doesn’t matter because in the case of the Palestinians it’s not the education system convincing them to not like Israel. The education system could switch to entirely pro Israel propaganda and I sincerely doubt it would make a difference. Imagine if you were born in the West Bank. You get harassed by soldiers regularly. Settlers will throw stuff at you or spit on you, if you try to do anything back you know you’re going to a military court with a 99% conviction rate that has put kids in prison for years for throwing stones. You have to walk through check points constantly. You see your friends and families homes being constantly demolished. Imagine you were born in Gaza. You are probably unemployed, you’re trapped in a area the size of Las Vegas full of poverty, all you can do is wander around all day. You have lost relatives in any of the various bombing campaigns, you probably have signs of ptsd, you do however see and hear people celebrating and partying in Israel right next door. It doesn’t matter what any school system tells you, you aren’t going to like the people who do this to you. How do you know Hamas doesn’t want a ceasefire?

Any of the democrat presidents we had since then could release the last of the jfk files whenever they wanted

- no one is saying they have to give Hamas a military. There are options other than crushing occupation and creating an enemy state, - Iran can’t do anything unless they have Palestinians willing to fight for them. A political horizon massively removes this, the former head of Shin Bet Ami Ayalon said himself when negotiations were happening he was surprised by how quickly violent attacks reduced when he was in charge of security. Israel was attacked incessantly because it violently expelled hundreds of thousands of Palestinians and continuously provoked conflicts. Israel did not “leave” Gaza, they pulled out but kept the blockade around it, that’s like saying if someone keeps you hostage in your house leaves your hours but stands outside with a gun to keep you inside has “left”. Palestinians elected Hamas because the PLO was failing to free them from the blockade and occupation, not to destroy Israel. When Hamas was elected they offered a ceasefire but Israel immediately increased the blockade and tried to overthrow them. - it being predictable that Israel would fire on peaceful protestors does not make it ok - So as Israel continues to brutalize them they can’t even protest because it’s inflammatory and justifies even more brutality? That makes no sense. It doesn’t matter what they teach in schools, Palestinians will never like Israelis as long as they are keeping them trapped and killing them by the dozen. - It could not be a momentum builder. Netanyahu was trying to temporarily buy off Hamas while he secured a deal with Saudi Arabia and other Arab States, hoping that they would accept Israel without freedom for Palestinians and potentially dooming any future for Palestine. Hamas realized this and thwarted it by pulling off the attack and forcing the Arab nations to leave the negotiation table by bringing the Palestinian plight into public consciousness again through Israel’s massive response. - Ceasefire proposals aren’t meaningless as they indicate potential for peace. It’s reductionist to say Oct 7 proves Hamas innately hates Jews for irrational reasons, they had many other reasons to want to attack Israel.

No it isn’t, it’s obvious to the entire world the violence they experience stems from the lack of Palestinians having a state, which is why the entire world wants a two state solution. A two state solution does not automatically mean giving up security. The current situation points to it being the exact opposite, Palestinians not having a state is the danger to Israelis. Oct 7 happened because they had to move IDF from the Gaza border to the West Bank to protect settlers who need protection because they’re settling Palestinian lands and attacking them regularly. Support for anti Israel militants primarily comes from how they treat the occupied Palestinians, if Palestinians had self determination, a lot of that support would dry up as it would be harder to justify. the argument Palestinians can’t get a state because it’ll make Israel unsafe makes no sense when they are unsafe right now because the Palestinians don’t have a state. 1) Why is “peaceful” in quotes? The protests were entirely peaceful in the beginning, the only IDF injury was a minor one, once the IDF started slaughtering them there was some violence but even then barely anything. Multiple independent analysis have found they fired on peaceful protestors. That wasn’t the only example, here is a list of the casualties on both sides during the first intifada mass protests, note the first year https://www.btselem.org/statistics/first_intifada_tables Another example It’s not tired or bad faith, it is true, Israel consistently reacts to peaceful resistance with violence. If Israel is just waiting for Palestinians to drop the violence, why were they not pushing towards peace prior to Oct 7? The PLO had given up armed resistance years ago. Hamas had maintained a ceasefire to the point where Israel thought they didn’t even need to properly guard Gaza anymore. Where were the negotiations? Instead they just continued pressuring Palestinians with violence, Gaza was still blockaded and suffocating, 2023 was the deadliest year for Palestinian children in the West Bank prior to Oct 7. They were pushing Palestinians against a wall and giving them no way out as always. 2) the charter never meant anything, it was written by like twelve fundamentalists who were under siege, of course they would write extreme crazy shit. The Israel side is the one that constantly brings the charter up, but when it gets changed rather than being glad things moved in a good direction you just insist it doesn’t matter for some reason. What is more relevant than the charter is Hamas has offered cease fires multiple times and been rejected by Israel. What is even more relevant is the charter of Likud saying the exact same thing, they are against the existence of Palestine, the difference is they are actually carrying it out.

Not true, every year they propose a UN vote on a Palestinian state and the US and Israel block it. They’ve tried peaceful protest and Israel either reacted with violence or ignored them.

You’re conflating long term development with short term development. A country in the long term can have developmental issues based on geographic factors, but in the short term be highly effected by intervention.

No it isn’t, the only thing stopping things from moving in a positive development right now is Israel and the Us blocking a ceasefire and blocking UN recognition of Palestine. Every other country in the world is asking for this, they aren’t all shills for Muslims, they understand endless occupation and war will lead to endless violence.

what?

During the Islamic golden age Arab nations were more developed than Europe

You are naive if you think he actually wants to expand his understanding for good faith discussion. His entire brand is built on gotchas and motivated reasoning. He hasn’t even developed a mainstream philosophical or moral frame work for discussion, he just adopts what is most useful to whatever he is arguing. This is why he struggles against solid stage blue Andrew Wilson.

War itself develops countries. Our modern understanding and health care and education was developed from conquest and war.

But when they develop in response to the onslaught by forming a more war like culture and gaining modern weapons like explosives and machine guns to fight back, suddenly the west turns around and uses that as proof they are still undeveloped because they are being violent. They cannot win in this world view. Palestinians were pastoral people without an army before the Zionists arrived, they defeated the surrounding Arab countries because their militaries were so small and low tech. Then when they stated developing and becoming more effective and brutal in reaction to the competition Israel and the west turn around and shriek they are dangerous savages and they need to be bombed even more. It’s insane.

If someone stronger than you beats you up, are you to blame for your injuries because you weren’t strong enough to fight back?

That’s just silly Let’s take Afghanistan. In just the past century Russia invaded Afghanistan killing 2 million, the US funneled weapons to extremists to fight them and when they pulled out it resulted in a civil war killing hundreds of thousands, then some of those fighters armed with weapons and ideology majorly funded by the US formed the taliban and took over and the US slapped sanctions on them crushing the economy, then the US invaded in response to 9/11 killing hundreds of thousands more before finally pulling out leaving the taliban in power and slapping them with even more sanctions. No one is saying they would have had no problems without western involvement, but to suggest all of that just amounted to a small portion of the cause of their current issues is insane. Iraq is arguably a even bigger example, it had a brutal dictator (who the US propped up for a while) but actually had low crime and a good education system people traveled to study at, then the US turned it into a nightmare. There are middle eastern or Muslim countries that had less western intervention and they are doing a lot better.

I found this list pretty meh to be honest. He even included sex at dawn which was fully debunked. I emailed him some suggestions.

https://civilizationemerging.com/resources/books/

Both the PLO and Hamas said they accept a Palestinian state on the 67 borders, Israel would still exist. the occupation is the blockade of Gaza and the apartheid and settlers in the West Bank.

The PLO controls the West Bank, not Gaza, they aren’t firing on Israel. They aren’t even defending themselves from settlers who have killed over 500 since oct 7 even though they didn’t do anything in the West Bank. Egypt hasn’t since the peace deal either. Hamas fires rockets because Israel keeps Gaza blockaded and in response to various slights such as when Israel assassinated some Hamas soldiers during a ceasefire, or when Israelis raided Al aqsa mosque.