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I don’t see the point in elaborating more on this. You’re clearly convinced the mass of guys saying this are all just making excuses and will say any example I give is an exaggeration. The gold diggers are an extreme example. It’s still standard and expected for women to say things like they don’t want broke men, they want a masculine man who leads. There was a viral article recently about women complaining all the men they meet aren’t relationship material because they are broke. The guy examples you give are about improving oneself, not standards for relationships. Even then those guys are called gym bros, players, and patriarchal exploiters of the working class.

The issue in this scenario is that the behavior is unethical, even if it was the path of most resistance but the outcome is unethical that would be just as bad. Again, I never said anything about exploiting women, dating women abroad is not by default exploitative, it’s exploitative if you do something exploitative. That would be wrong regardless of where you do it, guys can exploit women in western countries too. Or maybe you have a warped view of femininity and don’t know what it actually looks like. Femininity isn’t just a girl being a girl. In western countries it’s actually very common for women themselves to be looking up resources on how to be more feminine. There are now tons of “femininity influencers”. I don’t know if what they teach is correct or useful, but the fact there is even a market for it indicates that women themselves feel they are too masculine. For the third time, I am not leading with money. This cannot happen because I am not bribing women or paying for their stuff in major ways. I will only financially help out if we know each other well and even then it’s nothing crazy. You might say, just by the fact I am wealthier and foreign she might feel “hooked” and doesn’t want to lose me on the possibility of future resources. This is a pretty ridiculous standard to call exploitation though. All women look for the best option they can get, many women outright will not date a guy who isn’t significantly wealthier than them. By this logic the more someone becomes a desirable mate the more they exploit women because the less they would want to lose them and the more they’d tolerate. A wealthy man could not ethically date anyone who earns less than them by this standard because they might not want to lose a potential resource. Everyone is “leveraging power” when dating. Many beautiful women say they only date men below their league because the men will tolerate more and give them more stuff because they don’t want to lose the hottest woman they can get.

1. I didn’t say the problem is feminists. Some feminists are fine, a lot of non feminists also have problems. I am just saying the general trend seems to be feminist influence makes a lot of women in western countries less desirable to date. That doesn’t mean they are all like that or that they don’t have other good qualities. 2. I didn’t say there is anything wrong with women seeking traditional men. My point is there is a double standard where whenever women like something or do something to improve their dating life it’s seen as ok or good, but when a man does, sometimes even the same thing, everyone she’s he’s a predator or loser. Ex. A woman says she wants to meet a wealthy man who can provide for her, no one says that’s a problem, but a man says he wants a much less wealthy woman he can provide for, basically just agreeing with her, everyone says he’s looking for someone to exploit with a power imbalance.

What is wrong with taking the path of least resistance? It’s only natural to pursue your best option. There absolutely is a shortage, especially if you have higher standards. It isn’t just me saying this, almost every guy I have seen who has tried dating abroad has said a similar thing, including every dating coach I listen too, some of whom have dated thousands and slept with hundreds of women in their home country, still choose to remain in the west and have a long term relationship with a western woman, they. STILL say this is also their experience, it isn’t just desperation. Again, what makes you think a woman in a foreign country is “powerless and dependent on you”, that isn’t the case at all unless you are targeting such girls, but plenty of people do that in western countries as well.

Again, this is exactly what I mentioned, any time a guy wants to try dating abroad he gets demonized. I never said anything about exploiting or subjugating women, I agree if someone is doing that they are wrong. I even mentioned if a guy can’t get results in his home country not to use it as an escape. Just because I try dating abroad and don’t want to date extremists doesn’t mean I am trying to buy affection or hate women. I see women constantly talking about how they want a traditional man or a man that is wealthy to provide for them and no one ever tells them they are lazy and just want a wallet etc. You can have preferences without being exploitative. I have dated many feminists and women wealthier than me, that by itself wouldn’t be a problem for me if it didn’t tend to come with issues. It’s not just about politics, that was just one issue among many. I have found women from the Midwest and smaller towns tend to be better, but in other ways it’s actually much harder in small towns because there are so few single women.

I never said any of this. I don’t lead with money and if a girl starts asking about an allowance or me paying for her when we aren’t even in a relationship I instantly reject her. Most of the foreign girls I date have good careers or are in college and going to have one. I never said I can’t find someone who likes me in my home country or there aren’t good options here, just that there are less / harder to get.

Game is how you demonstrate how attractive you are. That can even be talking to a girl with no intent to get her to like you at all and just being yourself, but you attract her with your natural qualities you express.

Mate value is how attractive you are as a potential mate, your game is how effectively you convey it. imagine, a rich guy with a great personality, but he is nervous and awkward around girls. High mate value but poor game. He will struggle initially but be better long term. imagine, a poor guy with a crappy personality, but he is outgoing charismatic and fun around girls. Low mate value but good game. He will excel initially but struggle long term.

Game is a demonstration or amplifier of mate value. Changing your circumstances to inflate your mate value will automatically make game more effective. One of the most important aspects of game is logistics, that includes changing location to change results.

If you think that conflicts with anything I’ve said you don’t know anything about what game actually is, lol.

Don’t go direct if it’s a girl you will see again, just form a connection over time by talking normally to her.

It just doesn’t make sense. What are the odds your soul mate ever meets you? Out of 7 billion people your soul mate could be born on another continent. What about all the people who die from something or go crazy and can’t have a relationship anymore, are their soulmates just out of luck? Slightly more men are born than women as well, what about those left over mens soul mates?

Soul mates aren’t real

Don’t do it in a place where you’ll be recognized except maybe occasionally. Do social circle.

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No

No, unless very specific circumstances are met. Getting married in a western country as a guy is pretty dumb at this point.

Try mdma therapy and ifs therapy

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The problem with your argument is you’re assuming a man’s success with women is based on his psychological health and moral values, and men aren’t successful with women because of traditional “patriarchal” beliefs. This isn’t true. A man can be a psychologically healthy and moral person but still fail with women for other reasons. Being psychologically healthy and moral isn’t necessarily related to many of the key things that make men better with women, such as looks, height, charisma, wealth, and past experience with women. There are plenty of great guys who are psychologically healthy and morally good, but they will still struggle with women because they lack these features. Conversely, a man can actually be psychologically unhealthy and immoral or toxic but still do better or even great with women because they do have these traits. For proof of this, see how many women are constantly complaining about the men they were with using them just for sex, cheating on them, mistreating them, or even abusing them. Those men were toxic, but were still able to attract women. It’s the same with women. A extremely beautiful and social woman will always get more attention than a less attractive and reserved woman, even if the former is a horrible person and the latter is a saint. Perhaps the latter will end up having a better relationship long term, but when it comes to the initial attraction phase, that isn’t necessarily related to moral or healthy values. Studies have consistently found men higher in dark triad traits (narcissism, psychopathy, and machivallenism) tend to have disproportianetly more sexual partners and even appear more attractive to women. Studies have even found women, even self proclaimed feminists, were more attracted to men who behaved in (benevolently) sexist ways. What feminists call “the patriarchy” is really just traditional cultural influences. The irony is, men who are more “patriarchal” actually do far better with women. Studies find conservative and traditional men are more likely to be married, less likely to divorce, and have more satisfying marriages. There was recently a viral tiktok of a liberal woman complaining how she can’t meet a liberal man who will take the traditional role. Women still want a man who is confident, dominant, leads, provides, and protects, that is “patriarchy”, because those are the values that persisted over time and dominated most cultures. The men who are abandoning all notion of this in favor of liberalism are doing way worse with women and in life in a multitude of ways. That doesn’t mean the pressure arises from men, mainstream female beauty standards are often not even related to what the average man things, surveys have been done and found the average model is actually significantly skinnier than what the most popular female body type is among men for example.

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