Raze

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Get ifs therapy

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I’ve often seen guys from western countries like the USA talk about moving abroad to meet women and saying it is so much better. I was extremely skeptical of this and thought they were just quitters. Now a days they are even attacked and called passport bros. I was completely wrong. I have briefly attempted dating in foreign countries and talked / learned from many other men who’ve done the same. The difference is night and day, it’s almost insane how much easier and better the results are if you know what you are doing. This is a controversial topic and many will even be offended by it, but you should at least consider it for yourself if it interests you. These are the main reasons I believe (these are generalities, I’m not saying everyone is like this, just general trends): -More quality women, in western countries, especially America, there is a huge excess of lower quality women. A large segment is overweight or obese (something like 40-70% in the USA), many have hard leftist or feminist beliefs that seep into their lives in strange ways (getting easily offended, resentment of men especially higher status men they are interested in). Whether the actual ideas are correct or not it is very difficult to reason with someone like this who has a perpetual victim status and views you at least subconsciously as an oppressor, and huge entitlement due to all the men constantly buying stuff for them, paying for dates, etc. The women in many of these countries even seem to have deeper interests and attention spans. In Russia a lot of the time I’d ask the women what they are reading and it was some huge dense book, meanwhile in America a lot of the women seem like they just scroll through Instagram all day and always reflexively check their phone. -Way less competition. In western countries especially the USA there is a huge excess of high status men, any one of these wealthy, famous, or handsome guys could be seeing 5-20 women at a time. The result is many more men competing over the minority of women. A lot of the women also become jaded after spending time with so many of the attractive men who never commit to them. Meanwhile in many foreign countries a lot of the male population is so poor they work all day and have no time to date, joined a gang or something, or got murdered from crime or in some war. -Different culture. Cultural differences can make dating easier or harder depending on your goals, but a lot of foreign countries have a better dating culture in many ways. In the more traditional countries hooking up and casual dating is harder, but women are way more feminine, pleasant and polite. In the more open countries getting a long term relationship can be harder, but women are way easier to talk to and hook up with. Countries I’ve heard or been too that are strongly recommended: Russia, Ukraine, Columbia, Brazil, Thailand, Philippines, Switzerland Haven’t been there myself to confirm but I’ve heard a lot of women in Finland like brown / Arabic men because they are “exotic”. Countries I’ve heard bad things about regarding dating (not that you can’t date there, just that it might be harder not easier): Japan, India, China Some warnings: -if you get absolutely no results in your home country, you should probably try improving yourself there first rather than using it as an easy escape, you may have bigger issues a move can’t change. At the same time, the approach that works in one country doesn’t necessarily work in others. See this Todd V video on his experience with American vs European women and what they respond too for an example. -aim for a second tier city, the big tourist spots and first tier cities have more attractive women but are way harder because all the high status men and tourists go there as well -be prepared for many logistical challenges such as language barriers and safety. RSD Madison was drugged, robbed, and r*ped while visiting Columbia. He gives some safety advice here. -you will always be a foreigner. Most men will ultimately not do this not just because of the effort required, but because it will always be harder to relate to someone you grew up in an entirely different culture from. some more resources on the topic: https://www.girlschase.com/content/how-and-where-move-overseas-single-man https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY2gQTAkmcc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBCQ4JigZIQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmvR7LEZINQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0hrhLt4-YU

You are generalizing any man who struggled with dating and demonize any man who goes abroad to date. It’s still a generalization. And this is not bypassing anything, it’s solving various problems. Other issues that cause men to struggle are they don’t fit the expected standards of what women in their area want (some of which are impossible or unhealthy and shouldn’t be met) , and there is a lack of quality women around them. Changing locations is not bypassing this, it is solving it. This is based on the assumption every guy who goes abroad cannot get results in their home country, not true, I get results just fine, but I get better results elsewhere, why would I ignore this and just accept a worse situation based on some notion of it’s supposed to be that way? At the moment I’m dating casually and haven’t met someone I want something long term with. The fact that it works at all is the problem and a major reason why I wanted to leave.

Do you not see the irony in complaining those men paint women with a broad brush and demonize them, when you are doing exactly that to men who go abroad or say they have problems dating? They are all or almost all toxic and entitled and just want women with no “power” otherwise they get rejected etc.? I already mentioned this to you in another thread, but you again assume that a man’s success with women is correlated with how good of a person he is/ how well he treats women. In some cases that’s true, being a worse person or treating women poorly makes you lose them or get rejected. But not always, in my experience in some ways I actually have to be more of a dick to attract women in the west, they respond more to signifiers of status and cocky, arrogant, or avoidant behavior. Some of the women who disrespect3d me the most were the women I treated the “best”, and they thought my giving nature with them meant they could use me or walk all over me. Just because a man says he gets rejected or struggles with women does not mean you can automatically assume he’s just toxic and misogynistic and if he was nicer he’d succeed.

You haven’t responded properly to anything anyone has said in this thread, every post from you is just full of assumptions. Nowhere did I ever demonize women in my home country or idealize women abroad. I am simply making a factual statement that I find women abroad often tend to be better in many ways that matter to me. This is my own experience, it isn’t fantasy, I lived it. I never said all women in America are bad or all women abroad are good, I never even said any woman is good or bad, I am just talking about the tendency of traits. I don’t want a woman who is a submissive robot and I don’t want a woman who is only with me because she’s dependent on me, I’ve never had such a relationship and am in no way looking for it. This is what I mean, women will non stop talk about men being low quality etc. and how and where to bag better men, yet when a guy does something to improve his situation you call him a misogynist living a fantasy, as though he should just accept bad behavior and have low standards otherwise he doesn’t respect women. Every country I recommended except for Ukraine had a lower rate than the USA. Also, just because there is a higher divorce rate doesn’t necessarily mean it’s a problem with women, in many foreign countries a lot of the men are psychologically damaged or alcoholics and are more likely to mistreat women.

This is thinking ahead though. Having relationships and raising kids in western countries is way riskier. Far higher rates of cheating, divorces, and much more likely the child grows up with depression or anxiety.

Let’s see if you maintain this attitude in 10 years.

There are a lot of different ones and they aren’t like spiral dynamics

Well, that’s not what I’m suggesting or doing. I’m not specifically going after poorer women and I’m not rich. And again, I’m not leading with money at all. You keep saying it doesn’t matter, but it really makes no sense to suggest I’m buying women if I’m not really giving her any money at all. If a woman is with me because she thinks I will give her resources and a chance in a different country, she really has no idea what she’s doing, because I’m not doing that and never suggest or even imply it to her. How is that comment exploitative? I’m just pointing out a fact about why there is less competition, I made no claim about it being a good thing or bad thing.

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Except by your standards almost any situation where the partnership isn’t equal would be exploitation. Dating someone who earns less than you? Exploitation, they might tolerate bad behavior because they want your money. Dating someone who lacks options? Exploitation, they might tolerate bad behavior because they’re afraid youll leave and they won’t find someone new. Dating someone uglier than you? Exploitation, they might tolerate bad behavior because they don’t want to lose the hottest person they think they can get. I’ve also dated women poorer than me in the west or women whose lives improved because of what I brought to the table. Was I exploiting them because they might not want to lose me? Do I have to be a worse partner to not exploit them? Are you serious? You really think dating someone who is less attractive then you or less wealthy than you is automatically exploitation? You’re basically defining exploitation so loosely as to mean someone liking the deal they get with you and not wanting to lose you. That is ALL relationships, everyone is trying to be a better deal to get better results. People are also looking for better deals, is a guy who chases women hotter than him or a girl who chases guys wealthier than her choosing to make themselves get exploited? Also I don’t get why you are assuming there is such a huge gap, I am not that wealthy and I’m not dating extremely poor girls. If they really just wanted money they could probably find someone much wealthier than me to go for. In this context we are talking about leveraging power so loosely as to mean doing something to be more desirable and that makes your partner not want to lose you. Literally everything someone would do to be more attractive would count as this. You go to the gym and get a fit body? Leveraging power, now your partner is less likely to leave because they like your increased attractiveness. You have a great fun personality? Leveraging power, now your partner is less likely to leave because they like the fun and connection you being. You get a raise or start a successful business? Leveraging power, now your partner is less likely to leave because they like the increased lifestyle being with you provides. Yes, but whenever he wants to do something to increase his odds he’s demonized as shallow, manipulative, or predatory.

I don’t see the point in elaborating more on this. You’re clearly convinced the mass of guys saying this are all just making excuses and will say any example I give is an exaggeration. The gold diggers are an extreme example. It’s still standard and expected for women to say things like they don’t want broke men, they want a masculine man who leads. There was a viral article recently about women complaining all the men they meet aren’t relationship material because they are broke. The guy examples you give are about improving oneself, not standards for relationships. Even then those guys are called gym bros, players, and patriarchal exploiters of the working class.

The issue in this scenario is that the behavior is unethical, even if it was the path of most resistance but the outcome is unethical that would be just as bad. Again, I never said anything about exploiting women, dating women abroad is not by default exploitative, it’s exploitative if you do something exploitative. That would be wrong regardless of where you do it, guys can exploit women in western countries too. Or maybe you have a warped view of femininity and don’t know what it actually looks like. Femininity isn’t just a girl being a girl. In western countries it’s actually very common for women themselves to be looking up resources on how to be more feminine. There are now tons of “femininity influencers”. I don’t know if what they teach is correct or useful, but the fact there is even a market for it indicates that women themselves feel they are too masculine. For the third time, I am not leading with money. This cannot happen because I am not bribing women or paying for their stuff in major ways. I will only financially help out if we know each other well and even then it’s nothing crazy. You might say, just by the fact I am wealthier and foreign she might feel “hooked” and doesn’t want to lose me on the possibility of future resources. This is a pretty ridiculous standard to call exploitation though. All women look for the best option they can get, many women outright will not date a guy who isn’t significantly wealthier than them. By this logic the more someone becomes a desirable mate the more they exploit women because the less they would want to lose them and the more they’d tolerate. A wealthy man could not ethically date anyone who earns less than them by this standard because they might not want to lose a potential resource. Everyone is “leveraging power” when dating. Many beautiful women say they only date men below their league because the men will tolerate more and give them more stuff because they don’t want to lose the hottest woman they can get.

1. I didn’t say the problem is feminists. Some feminists are fine, a lot of non feminists also have problems. I am just saying the general trend seems to be feminist influence makes a lot of women in western countries less desirable to date. That doesn’t mean they are all like that or that they don’t have other good qualities. 2. I didn’t say there is anything wrong with women seeking traditional men. My point is there is a double standard where whenever women like something or do something to improve their dating life it’s seen as ok or good, but when a man does, sometimes even the same thing, everyone she’s he’s a predator or loser. Ex. A woman says she wants to meet a wealthy man who can provide for her, no one says that’s a problem, but a man says he wants a much less wealthy woman he can provide for, basically just agreeing with her, everyone says he’s looking for someone to exploit with a power imbalance.

What is wrong with taking the path of least resistance? It’s only natural to pursue your best option. There absolutely is a shortage, especially if you have higher standards. It isn’t just me saying this, almost every guy I have seen who has tried dating abroad has said a similar thing, including every dating coach I listen too, some of whom have dated thousands and slept with hundreds of women in their home country, still choose to remain in the west and have a long term relationship with a western woman, they. STILL say this is also their experience, it isn’t just desperation. Again, what makes you think a woman in a foreign country is “powerless and dependent on you”, that isn’t the case at all unless you are targeting such girls, but plenty of people do that in western countries as well.

Again, this is exactly what I mentioned, any time a guy wants to try dating abroad he gets demonized. I never said anything about exploiting or subjugating women, I agree if someone is doing that they are wrong. I even mentioned if a guy can’t get results in his home country not to use it as an escape. Just because I try dating abroad and don’t want to date extremists doesn’t mean I am trying to buy affection or hate women. I see women constantly talking about how they want a traditional man or a man that is wealthy to provide for them and no one ever tells them they are lazy and just want a wallet etc. You can have preferences without being exploitative. I have dated many feminists and women wealthier than me, that by itself wouldn’t be a problem for me if it didn’t tend to come with issues. It’s not just about politics, that was just one issue among many. I have found women from the Midwest and smaller towns tend to be better, but in other ways it’s actually much harder in small towns because there are so few single women.

I never said any of this. I don’t lead with money and if a girl starts asking about an allowance or me paying for her when we aren’t even in a relationship I instantly reject her. Most of the foreign girls I date have good careers or are in college and going to have one. I never said I can’t find someone who likes me in my home country or there aren’t good options here, just that there are less / harder to get.

Game is how you demonstrate how attractive you are. That can even be talking to a girl with no intent to get her to like you at all and just being yourself, but you attract her with your natural qualities you express.

Mate value is how attractive you are as a potential mate, your game is how effectively you convey it. imagine, a rich guy with a great personality, but he is nervous and awkward around girls. High mate value but poor game. He will struggle initially but be better long term. imagine, a poor guy with a crappy personality, but he is outgoing charismatic and fun around girls. Low mate value but good game. He will excel initially but struggle long term.

Game is a demonstration or amplifier of mate value. Changing your circumstances to inflate your mate value will automatically make game more effective. One of the most important aspects of game is logistics, that includes changing location to change results.

If you think that conflicts with anything I’ve said you don’t know anything about what game actually is, lol.

Don’t go direct if it’s a girl you will see again, just form a connection over time by talking normally to her.