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Everything you are writing is a description of infinite mind, dreaming infinite dreams. Dreaming does not invalidate God in anyway.

Think of it like strength, assertiveness, edge, sharpness, coldness, confidence, leadership, dominance, ambition. Masculinity is more dangerous. It's like a sword you want to get skilled at wielding.

Yes, that's basically her perspective. Masculinity itself is attractive. Which as a guy you should have access to, assuming you've not significantly repressed it.

If you don't want to call it dream, then what do you want to call it? What is a better word?

@Emerald that's all fair. "Grass is always greener" mentality can create problems. It's important to not just reduce relationships to physical appearance. Especially if you want to start a family. If you wanted to start a family, you'd be thinking about what kind of partner this woman will be for raising kids. Which cannot just be about looks.

If you're going to say that dreaming is a limit and therefore violates God, then I will say any claim you make about God is a limit and violates God. By your logic, God being the "source" of creation is a limit. God being "love" is a limit. God being "infinite" is a limit. So you can take this "limit" argument to absurdity if you want. Yes, outside of Awakening, you could say God is limited to dreaming. That's what it means to be an infinite mind. And yes, Will still remains if you remove all bias. It's the Will of the Whole, all at once.

How do you distinguish between a beauty glutton versus someone who is attractive and also just wants an attractive partner? Is it just that one is attractive and one isn't?

Yes God has Will! But this is not a limited, biased human will. It's the opposite. God's Will is what happens when you remove all bias and limitation, including the notion of anything existing "above". Or rather, all bias and limitation must be dreamed by God to begin with. The end result is infinite dreams, with no higher authority in control.

A dream is whatever you imagine it is.

It's a perfect description. Dreaming is not a limitation, it's the removal of all limits.

Both lobotomies and dead people are imagined within the field of consciousness YES that's what awakening is. You are God Mind, absolutely no where, imagining that you need a body, a brain, biology and physical space. It's not metaphorical, it's metaphysical. I mean exactly what I am saying. There is nothing beyond what you call perception. It's the other way around. If perception was the result of biology, then your perception would not be absolute. Your perception would be merely a representation of deeper biological processes, happening somewhere in the brain. Which it is not. It's precisely because perception does not require a body or biology that it is absolute. Everything is One, whether you cuss out drivers or not. Everything is One, whether you believe it or not. Everything is One, whether you are completely unconscious of this or not. Everything is One, whether you are asleep or awake. But yes, to your point, embodiment work still matters.

Yes, pickup can become an endless chase which becomes toxic and immature. But the reality is that most guys have no choice but to be somewhat content where they fit in. Contentment is forced upon them by the lack of their own ability and effort, not because they're more healthy. If you're a 6 aiming for a 10, their motivations are likely mixed. There will be some lower motivations, but also potentially some higher motivations. You can use the pursuit of women to grow yourself as a man because your attractiveness is highly dependent on self-investment. There are many valid lessons and growth opportunities you can gain from doing so. Ideally, you will also end up contributing a lot more survival value to society. The reason many guys have such poor results with women is that they contribute so little value to society. Which is also partially why they're broke. I'm way more impressed with a guy who chooses to not sleep with a 10 for higher purposes, than one who is contributes so little value that they couldn't do it if they tried. Most guys have never even met a 10. Part of the point of this forum is to talk about achieving minority-level results. Less men will ever spiritually awaken than sleep with a 10, but here we are anyway. I agree with that advice. But also, physical beauty is legitimately rare. If it wasn't rare, it wouldn't be valuable.

Been waiting for this!

Yes, attraction has a relative component. But it's not that hard to find general trends of what is attractive. You're relativizing attraction way too much.

If you want to question the validity of my experience, then I'll just question yours. Why should I trust your insight is valid and not just a belief? Two can play that game. My insights do not exclude survival. And even if my insights were corrupted by survival, they would still be true. Whether you move out of the way of the bus or not, that's just dream-content within the field of consciousness. You still don't have a body.

Yes and yes. That's the whole point of spiritual work.

I've done various forms of spiritual work for over a decade. No. You do not need a body at all. I don't assume you're talking about a "self". You are talking about physical biology, which I am denying.

I don't have a body or eyes. I'm not a biological entity. There is nothing prior to experience. Experience is all you have. Interpretation is part of experience. Both the object and any disliking of the object would appear in the field of consciousness. Both are subsets of consciousness.

Someone is going to date the 9s and 10s. If you're a guy who is very attractive or otherwise brings a lot of value, dating less than what you're worth becomes untenable. It'd be like having a PhD and then going to work the cash register at McDonalds. You won't even get hired for being overqualified. It has to be a match. People end up dating someone who is roughly equivalent in value to them and who is convenient. Almost everything else is noise.

They are not the same thing. But mental interpretations do occur within your field of consciousness. And so we could and should collapse the distinction between them. It's a nuanced point. I don't define perception that way. Metaphysically, perception is not a biological process. By perception I just mean your entire field of consciousness. Anything you can experience, including all mental interpretations.

Why do you say that?

That IS dropping the distinction. To realize that the unchanging source (total openness) is actually everything (infinity) is to collapse the two. Which is exactly what is needed.

Yes we've had this debate before. I think this is where my understanding at least slightly differs. Ultimately you have to drop the distinction between the unchanging source (nothingness) and the changing manifest.

Yes that's correct. The absolute is relative. As of course it must be. There is just infinite consciousness.

I am not arguing that at all. I don't care about that. The only reason for that comment was to point out that you could just as easily create an alternate interpretation that would also make sense. What I think is self-deception is Donald Hoffman's understanding of consciousness.