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Who do you think would be the artist of the mechanical forrest? There's only one.

I did give you an answer. Think about it. Why can electronic music be just as magical as natural music? Or a painting of a face be just as magical as a face? All art is imitation. When you look at a mechanical forrest, you are looking at mother nature. It is its own creation, with potential for beauty and magic the same way an "actual" forest does.

Ultimately, I don't make a distinction between machines and mother nature Machines are mother nature.

Why do you think it couldn't be as magical? These are the kind of questions this thread is meant to bring up.

This is exactly the kind of thinking I want to challenge. Yes, we often create externalities. I agree with Consilience that we need to understand those betters. But we are in our infancy around geoengineering. Mistakes will get made, and that is how we will collectively learn. Imagine if humanity stopped practicing medicine the first time we created some externalities in the body. That's what "blackpilled" on progress leads too. Even Consilience in this article is not strictly against progress, they just are calling for more holistic accounting. Which is fair.

What don't you like about mechanical trees?

Yeah but you can't wait for that to happen. You need a developed minority to generate solutions for everyone else.

Omg. I can't even listen to people like this anymore.

Very cool! If you want to share, where are you working that's involved with engineers?

@Raze there's way too much in your last response for me to address and untangle everything. So I'm just going to make general comments. Have you approached women? Because most of your objections could be answered if you did instead of engaging with incel ragebait. You would see that the vast majority of women have no problem at all with you approaching them if it's done in socially calibrated way. You would see that "rejection", to extent it even happens, is not a big deal. You would see that game is mostly just about going out, having a fun time, vibing with people and following up with women that seem interested. You need no invitation to approach at all as long as you're EMPATHETIC to her situation and know when you've crossed a line. And if you really have a problem with cold approach, there are other ways to meet women. Cold approach is hardcore, but you can do something more indirect like building a social circle. This tends to a safer option. Final point: you have a misunderstanding of what women are testing / filtering for. Women are NOT just testing to see if you're some player. They are testing for your investment, engagement in the relationship and leadership. Most women want long-term relationships, and you can sure they are looking to see if you are a good fit for that.

Thanks, I appreciate that

What traits? What standards? Nothing is failing. Society is adjusting and we will get through this. It's not women's empowerment is irrelevant, it's that fallout from feminism is not about women doing whatever they can to sabotage men's dating prospects. I'm taking issue with how you exaggerate and frame the situation as excessively confrontational. It exacerbates a victim mentality around dating and the gender wars, beyond just being bad sense-making. Also, women's empowerment has significantly improved your ability as a man to have casual sex because it brought us sexual liberation. Don't forget what it was really like pre-feminism. People couldn't even masturbate without it being a crime against God.

My guess is you want to believe that because you think women shouldn't be attracted to the men they are. But maybe you're the one that is wrong. Maybe they should be attracted to exactly who they are attracted to. The standards they set are mostly very reasonable. That's not the debate. Of course women's empowerment has affected dating. Overall, it has been a net-positive.

The filtering is survival genius. Neither men or even women generally recognize it, because few people are conscious of how survival plays their mind. You think it's malfunctioning or maladaptive, but it's not. Which is not to say women don't still have problems in relationship. Obviously they do, and they can be extremely serious. You can start with a wide view, but ultimately that doesn't tell you what you should do personally. You have to narrow it down to what you can be responsible for. 1) The average man has almost always gotten beaten down throughout history 2) We are not debating whether men are struggling. That much is obvious 3) You are talking about complex societal problems with many factors. These things are effecting everyone, it's not something women are doing to men.

If you are getting security called on you, either you are doing something very wrong or you just had crazy bad luck. That is not normal.

It does not. 1) Filtering and testing does not guarantee your relationship will not have problems 2) Women complain because men fail tests, not because they are necessarily testing poorly 3) Things would be way worse if they didn't test and filter Those examples were poor and not serious. I do not accept those as scalable problems, they are closer to cherry-picked incel ragebait. So I suppose we are just in disagreement here. Modern dating has its unique challenges. But on the whole, I'd say it's easier than ever. You could go out to a bar or nightclub if you live in a major city and get five different girls phone numbers tonight. And the challenges that do exist are not because women are trying to make it as hard as possible for men. It's more social media addiction, technology isolation, ideological brain rot, financial struggles, etc.

That's not a serious problem at scale. Women's filtering is effective and works well the vast majority of time for her agenda. Guys just want to assume they are not the problem. Like what other areas? How else are they making it impossible for men? I acknowledge women can behave in toxic ways. You don't have to assume everything is a collaboration. I'm trying to balance the perspective here. Yes, women test men naturally. It's your job as a man to understand and accept this. This will actually make you less bitter towards women and likely improve your dating success as a byproduct.

No, because filtering men is in her interest. If she's interested in a guy, but then she tests him and he drops the ball, that's a win for her. It's still exaggerated. Filtering and testing, yes. Making things as hard as possible for you, no. But is it more of a wider, objective analysis? It comes off to me as pretty narrow and biased.

Is it irrational or do you just not understand it? None of that means women are making things as difficult as possible for you. You'd have to cherry-pick the most toxic behavior to believe that. This kind of combative attitude is extremely toxic and partly why guys struggle to meet quality women. Assume more of a collaborative frame.

The biggest gap I see with young guys is with dating. I'm not saying this is all your fault. Many of these things are extremely difficult to change. I myself struggle with some of them. But if you're serious about improving your situation, this is what I would focus on taking responsibility for. This is some "tough love": You're bitter from your past or current failures with women You're hyper-fixated on your looks or you ignore improving them You're scared to approach or your approach is way too aggressive. Your head is filled with manosphere, redpill trash or progressive, egalitarian fantasies. You're emotionally needy or emotionally stunted You don't socialize enough You don't have enough friends or social circle You're trying to influence her with logic You don't have a purpose or a world to draw her into You want women to make things easier for you You think she's being irrational or you don't hold her accountable at all You're not proactive enough about leading and logistics You don't know how to have good sex You want to fight with women rather than do the relational dance with them You don't make enough money to seriously raise a family You're conflicted about what kind of future you want with her You want to fix her rather than be with her

It's possible that by the time you are old enough to where it may catch up with you, medical science will have vastly advanced. Trying to predict medicine in 50 years is almost impossible at this point.

That's total cholesterol, not LDL-C. Different biomarker.

This totally confuses the situation. Both things are true: 1) Women are interested in attracting men 2) Women will filter and test men in that process So there's no contradiction. It's part of the same strategy for women. And it's pointless to berate them about this, even if you don't like it. They are not going to stop filtering or testing men, nor should they. Stop wanting women to make things easy for you. The idea that women are making it "as hard for men as possible" is also absurd. If this was the case, no guy would ever be getting laid. In reality, women give you indicators of interest. Smiling, laughing, attention, agreeing with your frame, physical touch, playing with their hair, turning their body towards you, and even just talking with you at all. If she's willing to just talk and be in your presence, that can be enough of a green light. Sometimes interest can be subtle. It's your job to recognize it. If she's feeling really bold, she may even initiate or lead things herself. Or she might just tell you point-blank what she wants. Although I would not rely on that.

Here's another scary thought: if AI eliminates all standard meritocratic justifications for power, then what decides who holds power? Who and how is it decided that you're in the top 5% versus 95%? Worst-case scenario, things devolve into a SD Red-esque might-makes-right situation. Power is given to those who can hold it, period.