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@Emerald I will do my best to not assume my perspective is higher. But I’m going to ask you extend that same curtesy to me.

That's mostly right. I keep insisting that I'm trying to show you expanded perspective, and you keep insisting that I'm not and that you know more than me. So who is right? And who is really the smug one? That's the core tension we have going on. My perspective has evolved a lot over the years, so yes it might come across as different interacting with me now.

It matters because it shows how misleading a quote like that can be. People will hear that and assume awakening doesn't matter. It's basically a combo of trauma-healing, new age spirituality and personal success / relationship advice. She does not really teach Awakening. Maybe some superficial aspects.

You could say repression is most important to focus on, but only if you radically expand your definition of repression to include loss of freedom.

Of course. You're all a bunch of liberal, freedom junkies

I think I understand it fine. I'm trying to share with a perspective I've developed over the past five years, coming from profound insights into repression, freedom and authenticity. This is not something I'm just pulling out of my ass. If you think I don't understand repression, you're welcome to share where I'm going wrong. Focusing on repression is fine as a first step, but it's not nearly enough.

I'm not sure how this relates to what I was saying.

Not by a long shot. Focusing on repression is exactly the foolishness of liberalism and SD Green level-logic of authenticity as liberation. And it's exhausting.

This girl's channel has a lot of good Green examples:

Yes, you can live your life. The point was that Teal's followers aren't doing that. They are just asleep.

You can't become more yourself just by focusing on repression. Freedom is always highly constrained.

He is a good speaker. But can he deliver?

No. He's a pretty standard progressive.

Now we see if he can walk his talk.

Awakening means becoming conscious that you are God and that everything is your Infinite Mind. You do not get that by just "living life". "Living life" is the default of what everyone is doing. That's called dreaming.

I mean she has a tendency to frame awakening as pointless because "you're just here to create and live life!!". So then of course her followers don't awaken. Which means they can't even understand that quote to begin with.

I wouldn't say it's that extreme. Men can still be masculine mostly just fine, people just want a more balanced masculinity. It's important to not develop too much of a victim mentality around what struggles your gender goes through.

Teal Swan followers are not awakening. That's the problem with quotes like that.

The book is looking awesome, excited to read it.

You nailed that one. That's exactly how I think about it. I understand men being punished for femininity, but I wouldn't think women would be as harshly punished. Look at something like Mormon society. It's not really "repressed feminine". It's more mutually strict gender roles. If you were born a Mormon, you would have had an easier time being feminine. Mormonism is like a feminine woman factory machine, to the point that the femininity itself becomes repressive: This is a good example of what SD Blue is like. SD Orange is more repressive of femininity I'd say.

That mostly comes from people with a Cook-Grueter Individualist / Pluralist value-set, where you value authenticity and the deconstruction of oppressive societal roles. It has its value as a perspective. You can be too rigid in how you enforce masculinity on men, to the point of absurdity. Here's an example:

It's about ego development.

"Pro-social" and "community" is relative. If I go to war against an enemy tribe and kill them, that's potentially pro-social and pro their community. And war is not something of the past. War is very much still with us, even if its face has somewhat evolved. I agree that we could be open to more flexibility. Society is complex and there will be people who don't fit the mold. It's also true that as society evolves, men will probably be able to soften more. Here's a good example of the kind of stupidity I think you are getting at: On the whole though, men are not such unique snowflakes you can't predict how they will develop. You can develop genuine masculinity. And it doesn't happen just by integrating more feminine energy. That is not enough. Masculinity develops in a very specific way. It has to be forged, like trial by fire. Honestly, I'm having a hard time understanding why you felt the need to do this. I don't think a woman has ever earned my respect that way. It sounds like you felt the need to compete with men? Or at least be more like men. Reminds me of this

Wild. He's on top.