Parththakkar12

Awww man!!! Come onn!!! I was having some fun being the old gypsy lady giving people an ominous prophecy!! On the same page. In all seriousness though, if I were an American, I'd vote for a Dem.

Sometimes, the progress we want can't be sustained by the current way things are, the way the current system works. Sometimes, we want a different system altogether. What we're really asking for is a rebirth of the system. In such a situation, the candidate who helps the progressive cause is the one because of whom the system will collapse! It's the most counter-intuitive thing ever!!

I can imagine Trump rubbing his hands in glee, like 'I'm gonna be king of the world for 4 more years now!!'

Sometimes when I see the media covering Coronavirus, I feel like they've run out of ways to scare the masses, and now the best way they have is to create a hyped scare of coronavirus!! I mean wtf is the hype about?!?! Let the researchers do their job and just go on with your life!! This was my honest reaction. Not a well thought-out point-by-point lined thesis statement!

If 'your game' is manipulating women to get them into bed, then yeah it will get affected badly. However if its about finding yourself as an individual and authentically connecting with people, then it'll enhance your game!

How is this a loop? As far as I can see, I'm talking about integrating un-integrated Stage Red and raising consciousness conclusively that way. If it comes across that way, I don't mean it to.

So most of our society has been created by Stage Blue, as a reaction to Stage Red. The way it's been created is to maintain an orderly, civil way of collective survival. Stage Red can express itself authentically, but in an unconscious manner. This results in a lot of chaos and anarchy, which Blue then reacts against. Authenticity is a negative term in Blue's eyes as it reminds Blue of what happens in a Red society. Blue creates a society with fixed roles, fixed laws, fixed ethics, fixed codes of conduct, clear definitions of good and bad, clear definitions of good/bad manners and etiquettes, etc. The roles are uni-dimensional and materialistic in nature cuz all stages below Green are materialistic. This kills the individual and it does not allow the authentic expression of the individual. A Blue society is created on the foundation of a Red society. It just so turns out that the way Blue deals with the issues of a Red society can create a lot of suffering. Un-integrated Stage Red can lead to loss of self in the institutions and the pressure of social expectations. Stage Orange does not cut it here, cuz it's built on top of Blue! Orange works in a Blue society and tries to game this system for success. What's really needed here is an integration of Stage Red! This leads us to understand that Blue isn't 'the way society is' and it is built on top of Red. The foundation of Red can really help us to either undermine the structures of Blue, or make big and drastic changes in it, or create entirely new and conscious structures in its place! One of the issues with unconscious Blue is that it makes a big enemy of Red. In fact, it can project the dysfunctional aspects of Red onto Orange and use that as a reason to resist Orange as well! This is why Blue is resistant to materialism/hedonism (Red and Orange), savagery, grandiose narcissism, emotions (Blue assumes that emotions lead to impulsivity), guiltlessness/shamelessness, sexual autonomy (Red and Orange), sexuality in general, etc. Consciously integrated Stage Red will not have any of the dysfunctional aspects of Red. Any insights/questions/comments/suggestions? I'm curious to see what yall have to say about this.

More examples of Stage Red : The character 'Ugly' in the movie 'The Good, The Bad and the Ugly' The Joker in 'The Dark Knight'. Dialogues : 'I don't make plans. I just DO stuff. I take everyone's plans and turn them on their heads for fun!' (Impulsive egocentrism as opposed to Stage Orange's ability to be goal-oriented and strategic)

This is in Hindi but this is such an amazing example of Stage Red!! It's a crime show episode which shows white-collar crime and rapacious con-artistry. Also shows how Red can exploit the compassion of Green. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOSnxGrqROM How Stage Red thinks : 'If I steal $100 from you, that's $100 more in my pocket. Therefore it's not wrong!! The law don't apply to me cuz I don't follow it.'

What do spiritual people mean when they say 'You should choose your life purpose over having good relationships'?

There are no objective measures for this. It's literally just felt-based and intuitive. It's not applicable in a formal sense that we can prove to people who's perspective is the most objective one. You don't know how conscious someone is and you can't raise someone else's consciousness. What you can do though is raise your own individual consciousness. You can become conscious of everyone's perspectives yourself, like who's in the game, what for exactly and why is everyone invested in it. If you're doing this right, someone who isn't projecting on you will feel validated by your actions. That's ultimately what matters, cuz the people projecting on you aren't in reality, and therefore they can be consciously manipulated into getting what you want! The fact that they're getting manipulated is on them cuz they're not in reality. That's the only thing to do with them! You can become lesser identified with the ego perspective and as a result find the path of least resistance for all parties involved. For more information, watch Leo's video on Collective Ego.

It's not a highly conscious men's perspective! It's the perspective of the Infinite which includes that of my ego and their egos. Therefore it's not preferential towards a particular perspective as it sees that all of them are your perspectives. This is different from consensus-based conceptualization, as there all perspectives would get equal weight, however unconscious they may be. Rather, I value taking the biggest-picture perspective based on direct experience of emotional dynamics. Now of course due process would be needed for action based on equal representation on committee so that's a completely different and specific situation. This is more of a meta perspective on the whole attitude towards the movement.

If you're able to expand your Self-Love, you can take the perspective of women as part of your own. In that case, male bias won't be an issue! Now most men aren't capable of this, but are you capable of it given your level of consciousness? Your perception will then include the perception of everyone involved! Your perception of what's good or bad for the movement will become clearer. Everything I say comes after taking the movement as part of myself and from a space of concern for the movement.

Someone who's not on your side actually can't see your dysfunctions! They're resisting you, so they're not aware of you, so they can't see your dysfunctions. So I wouldn't worry about people for the status-quo trying to gaslight progressives into believing their versions of 'dysfunctions' or 'resolutions to dysfunctions'. The fact that you have dysfunctions doesn't mean in any way that you shouldn't have power or successful change! That's a gaslight status-quo people could use. If someone points out my dysfunctions, I don't believe them if I don't see them. I'm open to them, but that's different from blindly believing them. However, if you do really see the dysfunctions, would resolving them help the movement or hurt it according to you? I'm talking about major core and fundamental dysfunctions, like being hateful and resentful towards men and acting out on it so as to close off support from men who would otherwise be all for gender equality. Like teaching boys that being a male is bad cuz they're oppressive by nature. Feminists will say that 'We've been through this for centuries!! We have our revenge now' All of this is understandable. Whether or not these are dysfunctions is context-dependent.

Can you give me a counter-example, i.e. when would it not benefit the oppressed party? I'm open to the possibility that our definitions of the word 'dysfunction' or 'shadow' may be different.

@Serotoninluv Okay. Do you believe that becoming conscious of the dysfunctions in the movement can be helpful for the movement to get results? Do you believe that the oppressed party can benefit from this?

Lol man you just had to come in and save the day, didn't you?! You absolutely believe in progressivism that 'It's the one right ideology', don't you?!?! I know you'll call this concern-trolling just cuz I said that maybe it could be dysfunctional in some ways..... I know your gambit....

Who's taking away their space?!?! Feminism is as rapacious as has ever been. Feminism isn't bound by the constraints of society as it is anti-society (I'm equating society with patriarchy here). When it comes to progressive thinking and visualization, sky is the limit! As far as guiding them through goes, Stage Green can be idealistic and resistive. I believe in showing them the ground realities and saying 'This is the reality. For your own sake, I hope you stop resisting it. All change you can get will be created in reality!' There are people who will just project on feminism to deny the dysfunctions of the patriarchy. They are the majority of people in fact so the assumption you make is understandable. However, some of us will show you the dysfunctions of it from a space of genuine care for the movement. When this is the case, the intention is to look at the dysfunctions and resolve them, so as to get the best results in terms of social change. It matters for your ability to actually achieve progress!

My explanation for this is that Stage Green is Tier 1, which means it will think in Black and White terms. The ability to hold 2 opposing perspectives in an unbiased way comes only at Stage Yellow, which is Tier 2. Stage Green can believe in relativism in an absolutist manner! It can also become rigid with being progressive and conformist in a non-conformist way.

I've faced this a lot on this forum! There's a lot of denial and trivialization of the shadows of feminism. The line of thinking goes : 'You're either with us or against us. If you're looking at our dysfunctions, that means you're against us and therefore all the labels associated with the patriarchy apply to you! Misogynist, chauvanist, sexist, etc.'

Oh there's lots of feminists here! Anyone of you can answer me. The whole admin and moderation team is feminist for the sake of this conversation.

Question for feminists : When someone shows you the dysfunctional aspects of feminism, do you really think they're denying women's oppression/inequality against women?

Feminism is understandably well-intentioned. Society has its problems and inequalities and Stage Green emerges when Orange wakes up to this. All I'll say is that fighting evil with evil creates more evil. The solution to oppression of women would not be hurting men, instead it would be an increase in Self-Love! This song came across as being made in bad taste towards men. It was a female-centred stereotype of how the biggest douchebags behave and generalizing it to all men! Very few men I know 'mark their territory' and behave this narcissistically. The perception of men being total narcissists is a female projection on men. This doesn't help anyone. Now I know someone will say 'Women have been facing this for centuries! Let them have their revenge.' By all means have your revenge! You are free to create as much evil as you want. Lets just not pretend though that it's not vengeful towards men and that it's only about empowerment for women. Rebellion is not freedom!

Somebody needs to make a response song to this titled 'The Man-Hater'!

A real man also has empathy for 'snowflakes who get triggered'.