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Bolsonaro, Brazil's PM is also looking at this critically. He fears that local mayors will create their own little dictatorships in the name of COVID. Here's what he did: https://www.bitchute.com/video/UCr8ievfyRoq/ The youtube video is an NBC news video showing a Brazil hospital having a lot of COVID deaths and casualties. The bitchute video shows members of the Brazilian parliament breaking into the same hospital and exposing on camera that the hospital is empty and that the report is fake. Lets say we're done debating the numbers of the 'experts' and they turn out to be right. Even then, the big picture wasn't taken into consideration. I wouldn't react to it based on fear. I would maybe not tell people about the threat and not stir up panic. There are a lot of collective threats that the government doesn't tell the people about, that they just handle under the table. I know it is a gamble. But when you have to choose between 2 gambles, I'd go with my gut and choose the one that isn't a fear reaction.

I'd tell the people giving me the numbers to recheck them. It just doesn't seem believable that one little virus can kill that many people. There's tons of other viruses out there, and we're fine. As a leader of a country, you must have the big picture in your mind and be able to prioritize effectively. You can't react to every insignificant little threat in such drastic ways. Now I understand this can sound like idealism. I'm fine with accepting that mistakes happen. This is why we're critically examining what they're doing. The so-called 'experts' who were giving out the numbers made really sloppy calculation mistakes in reporting the stats. They said 'hundreds of thousands of people will die' when their work showed that actually, it's hundreds of thousands of cases with a small percentage of them actually dying.

I'm talking about: All small businesses collapsing Tons of layoffs happening Hyper-inflation that will happen because the Fed is printing trillions of dollars for 'stimulus packages' Food supply chains being disrupted, which will lead to food shortages. A lot of food is rotting right now because of supply chains breaking Mental health crisis because of lockdowns, social distancing The police were extra careful to make sure all small businesses die, but they didn't do anything to stop the rioting and looting. I don't think this is an accident.

Get into New-Age hippie communities. There are plenty of hot witches there!

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6912e2.htm The fall of the world economy is gonna kill a ton more people now.

Maybe I wouldn't have destroyed the economy over a virus that kills 0.1% of people who get it, most of them being senior citizens.

Teal Swan. She's beyond Turquoise. I'd give her her own spiral stage lol

@Chumbimba You seem to be lacking clarity on who you are as a consumer, your spending ethics. When that is the case, you will feel anxious about whether you're spending on the right things or not. I'd say follow your intuition on that and find yourself as a consumer. Mistakes (in this case, bad buys) will be a part of that process of finding yourself. According to my spending ethics, all spending done on personal development is good spending. I feel confident that it will yield returns long term.

Yeah I agree it is an emotion. Demanding from people to emotionally engage with you is a dis-empowered way of going about it. The key, alluding to what I previously said, is to create your life such that you will have people in your life long-term to meet your emotional needs. This would involve facing incompatibility and finding people who are compatible with you. This would also involve showing your vulnerability and finding people you can trust with your vulnerability. That would be the empowered way of going about it. I agree with the part of understanding where it's coming from and what it has to say. In fact that is my suggestion too. The problem I have with Leo's attitude around this, is that he doesn't account for emotional needs. Emotional needs include closeness, physical touch, connection, intimacy. This will create a gaping hole in your being and tons of emotional suffering. When you're at Stage Orange, you will be stuck in the materialist paradigm relative to relationships. The materialist paradigm is very individualistic, it lacks collectivism. Individualism says something along the lines of 'We are all individuals, so only I am responsible for meeting my needs. Nobody else is responsible.' It takes 'I am responsible for meeting my needs' and adds an 'only' behind it, which is false. The whole universe at large is also responsible for meeting your needs. This includes other people. You need people who take ownership of you, who take responsibility for meeting your needs too. You can do that for other people too. The materialist scientific paradigm will also deny emotional needs, as they can't be measured or proven. So when you feel lonely, if you're in the materialist paradigm, you will make it about sex, which you will perceive to be an individual desire. Then, you will go about it in a transactional manner, which is radically different from showing your vulnerability and trusting other people to meet your needs. You will not be prepared to give other people so much power in your life, because you will not be prepared to face rejection relative to emotional needs. That is its own can of worms. The point is, understanding emotional needs cannot happen from within the materialist paradigm. You will have to start feeling your emotions and tapping into your intuition.

The point isn't to bash Leo. It is to tell you important things I see about him and what he says. His perspective is a partial one and I thought it was important to focus on what he's missing in this case.

Watch Teal Swan's videos. They're all about human emotional needs. Human beings have emotional needs that we need each other to meet. We are social animals. Loneliness (or neediness) is a symptom of emotional starvation. I don't agree with Leo on loneliness (or neediness). Leo seems to have an avoidant attachment style, where he prefers to be alone with no community, having casual sex with short-term partners he meets through doing PUA at bars/clubs. Avoidant people (including PUAs, who are also mostly avoidant) typically tend to see 'neediness' as a bad thing, they tend to project onto other people that they should be okay alone. Leo unconsciously denies this reality of human beings that we have emotional needs. He, by his own admission, doesn't really understand deep emotional wounds, emotional healing and psychological problems.

Good question. I might just have the answer for you. I have tried to socialize my way out of loneliness. It doesn't work. There is only one way to resolve this issue - Have collective goals in your personal relationship life (as opposed to individual goals) and actualize them. A collective goal is a goal you have not only for yourself, but for the collective of your social circle, or your romantic relationship, or your community. If you have an issue of loneliness, this indicates something you're wanting to create with people. It could be a relationship in which the 2 of you genuinely understand each other. It could be a family. It could be a group of friends that goes camping every weekend. I'd suggest you find that thing you're wanting to create and find people to actualize it with. It is in the process of creating it as a team, that your loneliness will really go away. You cannot just socialize your way out of chronic loneliness. You may be able to cope with it by socializing, but it won't really get healed just by socializing or 'hanging out with people'. I've found the only way to be to create your personal life according to what you genuinely want.

Absolutely! Also, if you make guns illegal, policing can get easier. You won't need to be so good at fighting a gun battle on the street to be a cop. Having a battle because of lethal weapons can really enable the issue of police brutality, it can also enable the police to get away with a lot of unnecessary killings.

If you can't see a solution or if you have no idea what to do, your understanding/analysis of the problem isn't deep enough. Solutions will start to arise as you go deeper and deeper into it.

Lol I deliberately used exaggerated verbiage. I do sometimes get the impression that everyone wants to reach a higher stage to be able to look down on the lower stages! I'm not fully sure about Yellow, but I've seen Green do this on the forum for sure. Maybe you could say it's a part of being Green. This is a different issue. Leo and you mods are doing a good job moderating the ideological flame-wars and stopping troublemakers. What I'm also saying is that it is appropriate for that subforum to have authentic, open-minded Tier-1 discussions where everyone is growing. We don't have to exclude Tier-1 perspectives to have it be constructive. Having said that, feel free to create an exclusively Stage Yellow space! No positions for or against it.

Yeah, so extend my analogy. The mugger takes your wallet and runs. You have a split second decision - do I shoot him or not? A normal person may not shoot him as that's the job of the COP! A cop may have to shoot him.

Again, not enough time to think this through. Your reaction will not account for any of this.

I just want to mention that we're doing these lengthy debates from the luxury of our homes. You aren't really thinking any of this when you have a drunk guy aiming a taser at you. In fact you aren't thinking anything. You're just reacting. Cop or lay person. If you're a cop, your reaction will be a trained one. It will be to remove your gun and shoot. A normal person will literally not know how to react in that situation, gun or no gun. Imagine you have a gun in your pocket, and a drunk guy with a taser comes to mug you. Say you have the right to shoot him. Will you remove your gun and shoot him? Or will you give him your wallet and let him go? Which one would be the prosaically safer option? That would be the normal person's reaction.

You can have a closed group if you want. I'm not judging your desire for a closed group. Would they enjoy this endlessly? I'm not fully sure about that, depends on the individual and their life motivations. For sure. You can have higher-level discussions on long-term solutions to problems, higher-level analyses of problems in an exclusively Yellow space if you want. Yellow can get lonely and may want to have like-minded people to talk to. Except for one thing - Spiral dynamics is not a skill-set. It's a hierarchy of value-systems. Your personal values will evolve as you move up the spiral. But I get what you're saying. You can do the whole Stage Yellow thing. I personally like the forum as it is right now, because: It gives me the ability to understand ideological perspectives from lower stages. All your solutions ultimately will be for people on lower stages. This will be your gift to them. It is very important to understand the psychology of the lower stages. It reflects the problems of or society more accurately. This stuff is so complex that you will require any and all learning about the problems at hand. Working with emotional triggers are an important key to personal growth, you can get triggered easily on the subforum the way it is now. As someone at Tier-2, most of my work is about taking on Tier-1 perspectives and mastering the spiral. There is a lot of depth in Tier-1 perspectives, they aren't as simplistic as they seem. There is no shame in spending time moving up Tier-1 in other aspects of your life, even if you're at Tier-2 in some areas.

If you have an issue with depending on other people to protect you, there's a few possible reasons - Either you want to be independent of the police, or you want to depend on them but don't trust their capabilities. The first reason is ridiculous to me - why wouldn't you choose to take help from an available police force? If it's the second reason, i.e. you don't trust them to show up on time, I can kinda understand. I personally would trust their capabilities, the police there is pretty darn good. It is interesting to me that it's such a coveted right to own a gun, even though you don't have the right to use that gun to kill people! I wonder what kind of power would you get out of owning a gun.

For sure. The more America moves towards Green (not Orange), the more we'll actually see stricter gun-laws. I feel it's important to see that Blue/Orange in America will be pro-gun. Here in India, it will be different, Blue will be against guns. It's seen as morally bad to own a gun here.

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Maybe I wasn't articulate enough. I want to stress this because this is important - American culture sees guns as a symbol of power. So, if you take away their guns, there will be a huge outcry. It will feel like you're taking away their power. From outside, we can see that guns don't really give you power. Power is something you'd want to wield to get what you want. Guns aren't very useful to civilians in the context of actual, pragmatically useful power. But, because guns are seen as power, people can delude themselves with all sorts of rationalizations. They'll say stuff like 'Guns are useful to keep the government in check. If their rules become too strict, or if they try to stop us from running our businesses, we can fight them! Raawwwrrr!!!' or 'Guns are to protect our freedom!! FREEEEEDOOOOOM!!!!' They currently have a right to own guns. When you take away their right, no matter how useless, people will not like it and they'll respond negatively. It will be seen as the Federal government trying to enslave them and 'TAKING AWAY THEIR FREEEDOOM!!'. It is a touchy and sensitive topic.

If you look at American culture, they highly covet their Second Amendment rights or the right to own firearms. Firearms are not seen as a bad thing in that culture, it's seen as bad here. In the Wild West, firearms were seen as cool, it is part of a large tradition to own firearms. It's seen as patriotic and macho to own guns to 'protect yourself'. It's one of the core values of US in general. I know, it sounds really weird from outside but well, different cultures are into different things! As Leo said, removing guns from US would be like removing the extra drama from Hindi movies and serials. If we understand this, then in a weird way, it doesn't sound as dangerous. I never really felt threatened by this in the US. It is a matter of understanding their cultural morals and ethics with guns. Our culture thinks guns are the worst thing ever, we may also want to question that.

There is only one way to understand Stage Red - emotional consciousness. They're emotionally impulsive sociopaths who can fake morality and can mainpulate their way in and out of other people's morality. They haven't really integrated morality, they don't yet have the capacity to prioritize acting according to an ideology over reacting to their emotions. It is biologically hard if not impossible for them to do that. Because of this, they will try to pull low-integrity behaviors like breaking rules and re-interpreting what they did in a self-serving manner, the way Trump does. If you are able to wake up to the reality that we are all One on an energetic, emotional level, you will be able to take that person as part of yourself. That is when you will really understand their motivations. You will then be able to anticipate their low-integrity behaviors, you will learn to speak their language. All the suffering they cause is due to unconscious behaviors. All unconscious behaviors are mechanical by definition, they don't really feel empowered enough to change it. The fact that it's mechanical makes it possible to anticipate what they'll do. The more in depth you're able to study their psyche and anticipate what they'll do, the better you'll be able to manage them, the more at peace you'll be with them. My mom has Red, Blue and Orange in her. Her center of gravity is Blue. She does Stage Red stuff from time to time - she will do something that's low-integrity, then she'll use smart intellectual rationalizations to justify why she's still a good person after what she did. The reason this is Red is that it's more about proving that you're a good person than about actually being a good person. It's more of Red transitioning to Blue.