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@Breakingthewall Exactly. Hundreds and thousand of years and tradition, so many so many people who seek. Why they did it? There must be a why, otherwise everyone would say this and not do anything. Nothing wrong with living in not knowing btw.

I think that leo and others have known this for very long. That's why they keep going.

@Javfly33 Ahahahahahahh you are awesome

@Javfly33 yeah but how did you come to this realization?

No, there is no one who can surrender. Yes but this implies that there is someone with free will who chooses to do that.

@Bulgarianspirit this is the best answer ever ???

All there is is unconditional freedom. Is nothing and everything. This is it.

Depersonalization is when you know you are a robot and can look inside yourself to such a degree to diconfigurize yourself. basically i can see my decisions are coming from nothing and are not my own. it's a state of detatchment. that's why i say i get a feeling that jim newman doesn't describe this. And neither do all the other spiritual people. Because in the end, the experience is that he has free will and so do everybody else. Like you, even if you are spiritual maybe believe in no free will but you live your life and it feels like you are making choices. Your choices. Right? It's not what im experiencing. To me the idea of an identity is a concept im trying to grasp and no free will can be my ordianary life. But it can be solved. So did you get it?

It seems like your non existance to you is a concept. you don't live detached from your body every second in you personal experience. What im saying is, that this split can create a profound detached for myself which is called depersonalization. And it's horrific.

I know it's awareness but now what do i do? It means im trapped in a body which is not my own.

So what do i do with it when it implies that im an automat, and not a human being? That i don't exist?

The problem is, i listened to too much jim newman and no free will teachings and now it is running in my subconscious. It seems like i can't stop it.

Thank you. this brings some comfort. @Leo Gura Yes.

I the truth is that you don't exist and you don't have free will. Tell me how are you going to live a normal and beautifull life knowing those things. Tell me. Have you got an idea of what you are getting yourself into? Those kind of things are not for you. When you discover by experience that you don't exist, and you don't have free will, all that you will ever want is to be normal again. And just live a normal life. Which doesn't mean settling for less.

It makes sense how you are putting it. But i don't need to be spiritual or to believe in no free will to share love.

In fact, i don't want to believe this anymore. And im changing my beliefs also about spirituality because it's where it's leading me naturally.

That's wrong, i aimed big, very big. That's how i discovered your channel. If it wasn't for the fact that i don't have free will so everything now it's wasted.

@Leo Gura Well, because having connections, working on life purpose, enjoying moments with others, is a jail cell. And going around like you don't exist, having no free will is the real,real life. Actually, you are doing the same things i described only in a different way. So why are you making those distinctions between jail cell and life? IT'S presicely because i as studying all those spiritual nonsense that i got MISERABLE and depressed. There are teachings out there that are say that life is hopeless, including those non duality brainwashers. Not everything about spirituality is wonderfull.

never thought about it this way Well i don't have any idea of this other me and i don't want to "die" or become mentally instable to try to discover it. So if everything is fine as it is. Then fine, im going to live this life which is beautifull, and not waste myself. The whole idea that this life misses something is BULLSHIT. ALL you need is this life to be happy. And if in the end there is love, fine. If not,fine.

Consciousness and ego are the same thing. That's why when you sleep at night, you dissolve. If consciousness always remains, then why when you sleep you loose it?

@Arzack Oh yes? So there is a "real" you that experiences love, and the other one dies. There are not many different "you"'s inside the skin. There is only 1 .

So when you die you really die. You could say that death is love, but you can't experience that love because you are no longer there.

@Nahm Thanks i will come back to this.

no. I didn't understand your question... im concerned about the fact of no free will.

@Loving Radiance no.