Danioover9000

@Consept Sorry for the 4-5 day delay, been busy. OK, IMHO this was a good back and forth. We see the good morning Britain news people, with their I assume moderate to left political bias, a bit presentable as expected albeit woman was honestly wearing the green white patterns doesn't jive. Howver Nigel's tie is what's losing him in this presentation, IDK why he'd wear it. Rhetoric, facts and stat battle was very interesting, you may jump in to tell me if those facts are accurate but I'll focus more on their body language. Yep, my assessment before about Nigel still stands, he's got that superiority complex, and very interesting moment at 4:25 to $:30 with Nidel's strong refusal, tense hand wave, shouting that NO about 3 times, shaking of head pretty widely and his right hand, wide and palms forwards in like a karate chop tensed up movement, like a stopping the perceived threat coming his way, Nigel doesn't want to deal with what he thinks are alleged claims and misquotes to him. Even if he's wearing glasses, which I cannot comment on eye directions and cues, I can still see his eyebrow flashes here and there. Also I generally detect passive aggressiveness from the good morning guy, more than the women which IMO is funny, that type of snobby British passive aggressive thing between the suit wearing men!😂 More interesting to me is the last 3 minute to 2 minutes, when they're talking about the migration crossing with the boats. This tells me more about the bigger picture. It's not or no longer about Christians versus Muslims, or about race, or about the specific issues with immigration, at that point they added another bigger issue of the culture war between UK and France/Spain or the EU. I will be coming back to revisit these points and re-watch the footage to take in more what's being communicated. Thanks for sharing me this video of Nigel Farage being pressured by the good morning Brits. Honestly if I was in his position, being pressured on topics I might or may not be as informed I would've been acting a bit defensive there, so I can't rule out too much nerves here getting grilled live on camera, but his experience being in public and on camera talking like this does diminish that public nerves effect.

Even with the body language analysis and tonality that I know, if I didn't have enough research or context I can see why most people might let their guards down with this guy: He so anti grooming and protecting the children, yet remained silent in not condemning when one of his own does it. Who are people not seeing this?🤦‍♀️

I have a love and hate relationship with how Daniel Schmachtenberger communicates many issues worldwide, maybe because this genius has to broad stroke most points but ok. On the other hand, based on the opening, the framing and presentation, and also I did some body language analysis I felt like Joe Roga, while he did a good job talking to Schmachtenberger, I feel like because of Joe's biases and worldview he was a bit sneaky. Here's the full video: What are you thoughts and feelings about this? Watch it? I might cover this in my other thread in detail how they communicated:

@Rafael Thundercat Yeah I agree. Which vision is correct? Or is it a bit of both? IMHO a bit of both for good reasons I think, just because most people are selfish and, because in sociology and biology of the hominid species we are today, these tit for tat functions, if some to more of us does a tit for every tat, or if some of us does a tit and there's not a tat, those groups end up being more volatile in the future, which is why if there's a dystopia with oppression mixed with endless entertainment, that arises because there were more groups that pushed boundaries too far and acted selfishly to the detriment of other collectives, therefore those systems arise out of necessity. Think Genghis Khan and his empire, or Alexander the Great and his rising Macedonian empire, or the Roman empire, or the Carthaginian empire, and many other empires that raised and fallen, and if some left unchecked by other rivalrous empires nearby they kept on expanding and acquiring more land, more people they enslaved, more cultural influence and so on. The most effective way in dealing with empires like these are nearby peer empires that can compete and keep them humble and in check. That diffusion in responsibility is also called the bystander effect, also I knew of that Russian systema guy and liked his content.

@Rafael Thundercat Agreed, and what I sometimes do like about Joe Rogan. His communication style, and past comedian experiences allows him to stir and bring some of these very complicated sounding talks to the commoner mindset. Just like Joe what I wish people like Tristen or Daniel Schmachtenberger and other genius should do is lay down lists of solution to these complex problems. Just sounds like to me, and I don't mean to be bad faith about this, all sounds like disaster porn and talking for podcast money. Just talk and talk and more talking with little solutions or with little risk taking by these intellectual giants and geniuses.

@Rafael Thundercat Me too, very insightful, just didn't like Tristen trying to control the conversation.

@Joshe I will say sorry in advance right? Because I have joined like in April 2019, and you joined like in October 2018, so you 1 year my senior in this forum by digital clock right? However you got like about 66 counts in posts, 3 shy away from being pervy, but I have like 12,336 in total posts and counting, been more active in this forum than you, have participated in all sub forums than you, survived dramas here and there than you, so in engagement and activity I am the senior and you the junior. If I hurt yo feelings I do apologies because I like having a healthy debate and back in forth, nothing personal yeah? If you too triggered I will official drop this and agree to disagree right? Any ways back to thread topic, despite the shooter being an introvert, a 'loser', I do feel sorry due t his severe bullying. I wish America get's itself right and reduce the bullying epidemic to some schoolers that are too different to fit in normally. One thing I hate about in the American schooling system is the bullying, not cool IMO.

@Joshe Actually been about 6 years since you joined, again spooky time to join but that's just IMHO. And I am chill, just asking questions buddy. I am having a good time, gonna do the garden work later, I enjoy this back and forth, nothing wrong here right? Am just asking the questions is all.

@Joshe Again, insults where exactly? Also I will concede a bit, I'll give you credit for intelligence because after I posted that other post I checked your profile right? 66 counts of posts missing about 50 that I have, joined October 27, 2018, spooking time to join IMO, and I swear there were about 100 posts that I have about you posting here and there in several sub forums right? But I swear after I just pointed this out, you went and deleted some of those posts! Joshe what are you trying to hide mate? I mean you are for TRUTH and anti devilry, yet you are hiding, like why???😂 At least with me right, you can go into my history and even quote posts and show how crazy I am, and that's fine because those strangeness in me I own it right? But why are you running away from Joshe? Like who hurt you to make you tremble before me? I am fine I will not hurt you I am not that scary come here.😄😊🤗

@Joshe If I had to guess your ultimate aim here, is to buddy up to some mods and Leo, share their value words in the Trump hate? Because To me it's more than coincidental that this change in language you have is after Leo dropped his blog post about Christian nationalism and Trump being a devil. Before he dropped that you have about 100 posts in several threads that show you're a typical user here, but you ended up changing your language a bit to copy him and another mod. If you want I can just DM these posts right now to you, to show you what I mean when I'm addressing the change in language you underwent right? Or if you want I can share them publicly right here and we can talk about it right, why you're trying to sound more similar to Leo right? Literally after July 7-14 your posts are resembling more of his takes but before that it was a bit different. I'm just asking the quiet question out loud is all...

@Joshe 1. What Ad hominem? Show me what ad hominems I have done to you exactly since this post. When did I specifically insult you? 2. So those who don't see Trump as evil are consistently reading reality wrong? Are you saying that those people are illiterate and cannot read a book, therefore those people can't 'read reality', therefore they are lower intelligence than you? What do you mean each inaccuracies is a brick? 3. Again, your brick analogy is confusing. So a brick is a reasoning, or a person? because you claim one brick is 'easy to destroy' but when you have 1000 'connected bricks' 'tearing' one down is difficult because of the other 999 bricks. So are you suggesting these bricks are reasons or people, because if they're people then you're suggesting it's easy to 'destroy' one person but not 1000 people together right, because that would be homicide and not mass murder? 4. Removing a single brick is inconsequential? Really? Because in the context of engineering and construction and an actual wall of bricks, removing one is actually consequential because that creates weakness which adds to faster errosion over time that effects the concrete, the cement lines connecting the bricks, which leads to safety issues for those living within the brick wall and house, and an increase in danger of the wall collapsing. 5. So you assume I have a wall of falsehood which can only be taken down if I concede to you and open my mind??? And why do I want assistance from you to destroy a brick wall, or a brick, or a people that I apparently have???Dude I don't literally have a brick wall with me here, and I refuse any solicitation from you to commit an act of homicide or mass destruction of about 1000 people or 1 person...

@integral Sure, but I would push back and say your first post here: Was more accurate and more likely than Elon Musk hating Biden for his pro union and other policies that limit Elon's powers. I think it was a grave mistake for Biden to not at least invite Elon Musk and Tesla, and not give him the credit he deserves and the company deserves saying Tesla has actually achieved way more electric cars than the other companies. Instead he made him dislike Biden even more. Biden made Elon an unnecessary enemy when Elon could've been an ally for Biden. But unfortunately Biden is not manipulative enough to string in Elon and maybe was worried with public image because earlier Elon was with Trump in some meeting. Nevertheless Biden should've tried to be a bit friendly but whatever is what it is.

@Joshe 1. Never seen Rounders, if that's what you meant okay. Just saying general a fish in some poker table makes no sense for most who don't know. 2. I understood your point well enough without relying on ChatGBT or other A.I programs to do the thinking for me. I also understand that after Leo Gura made that blog post about Evangelical Christian nationalists, and the art of the devil, that most of your posts since then have been copying and aping Leo's linguistics. Why is more of your posts making very similar points to Leo Gura when most of your posts before Leo Gura's blog posts were more normal and less resembling Leo's talking points? 3. Great you admitted you don't consider yourself intelligent and well educated, yet claim your perception of reality is in the 95% percentile to maybe 99%, then saying 'IDK', and not providing a site or source to verify your claim of those percentiles. Then you claim this perception is your form of intelligence, yet, claim you're not educated enough. Then assume I could consider you intelligent to 'read reality', then claim it's definitely not in terms of cognition so which is it intelligence or cognition? And then claim you can definitely be wrong but in this case you're not. Why all the weaseling, dodging, deflecting, jumping from one claim to another, without anyone evidence to support at least one point? Why the floundering and granting yourself these many positions without any evidence at all?

@OBEler I have confirmed your suspicions. Yes, I think it's very likely PTSD and probably something else, but based on the body language I'm seeing, the shooting has effected him and made him realize how lucky he was, and how finite life can be. Or something like that! So nope, no Hitler god complex yet I'm seeing!😂

@Joshe 1. the hypothetical makes no sense because there's no fish in any poker game. In fact that's a dehumanizing example. I get the example which is you're point that some people can't recognize danger patterns, but poker and fish is not compatible for that point you're trying to claim. 2.You begin to communicate by reason, logic, with facts and statistic that corroborate your claim, in this case you're saying and others that Trump is evil. OK, so what's your reasoning and justification and what proof do you have of Trump's evil, versus the good Trump did? If his evil outweighs the good, can you show us where and why? 3. All that you described is part of arguing and debating, part of using rhetoric from Pathos, Ethos and Logos. Main reason why we have these is because not everyone will have the same agreement or same perspective like you, we'll have differences in ranges, which may mean we must argue and debate to hash out our differences and come to a better understanding. Logic and reason is part of that too. Also just because you do the fallacy of pointing out fallacies does not mean you're winning a debate, it just means at least you know and signal to others a fallacies have happened, but you have not countered them sufficiently by just pointing them out. For example, you could be the witness that saw the shooter, but just pointing it out to secret service or soldier nearby, was not enough to resolve the incoming danger. It required response-ability from the soldier and secret service, which followed up with neutralizing the gunman. You merely pointing it out is just part of the victory, not the whole victory. 4.Or, demonstrate to us why we should try in the first place to see what may or may not be there? Or try to show us how to have more intelligence like you in order to 'see' the danger you're pointing to, or have you forgotten that intelligence is more fixed like in IQ and that most people just can't get more smarter than they are?

@Rafael Thundercat It is amazing, and so are Lex Fridman's tweet of cursing. First time being mean I guess.

@questionreality At this point it's not worth challenging @Leo Gura or some mods who like Lex Fridman and even Destiny and try to point out their flaws. Trust me, did that and got in trouble. Maybe he changes his mind with you but I won't hold my breath.

@Karmadhi YES! CONGRATULATIONS!!WOHO!THREAD IS 100 YEARS OLD!🌟🌟🔥🔥👋👋🤣🤣🤗

@Scholar So he's actually not Elon Musk???

@Scholar Is he actually Elon or a fake voice? To me it exactly sounds like Elon so it really could be him, and the other guy in that call?

Credit to @Scholar for sharing this! This is Destiny again in live stream trying to justify his inflammatory language in Twitter, with the guy called Elon Musk who's also a hypocrite for freedom absolutism. I will definitely body language analysis and mostly their tonality and words/statements made as I can't see Elon's body language as he's talking but seen enough footage from him, so Imma have to analyze his voice and tone and wording, meanwhile Destiny's is more body language because I can see him, and his word choices too:

@Phoenix Garfield Jesus Christ chill anime fan!🤣

@Scholar I'm sorry but can you tell us who's who in the call with Destiny? I swear I hear Elon Musk in the discussion, and a few that sound familiar but can't name them, like maybe XQC Thanks.

Jesus! Now sometimes Grizzy Hendricks doesn't deliver, but this diss track is also quite hard! Now I am conflict between this and to kill a butterfly, this is CRAZY!

Great takes! Again, crazy dude, but respect to him! https://x.com/mrgirlreturns/status/1809399442115862651