Danioover9000

@Leo Gura This adds to the other video as well. From what I saw, the officer during the struggle warned the suspect that he'll use a taser, and the suspect still resists. If they only had some form of ground combat training, they really could've immobilized him. I can't remember the exact video, but it showed two London/ European officers being man-handled by a resisting guy either high on drugs or something else, but those officers could've easily joint-locked the guy into submission.

@Consept No, and while I try to understand another's perspective, frankly the majority of people don't care about anyone else's perspectives, as perfectly demonstrated in this thread, with this back and forth you're all having with Leo. It all depends on if your life experiences are tied to being with police and authority figures, or being antagonized by police and authority figures? This greatly shapes your main perspective on this issue, because that perspective is your way of life, way of survival of YOU.

@Parththakkar12 Good point. A Russian Systema teacher I once had said a very similar thing to what you said, without undergoing training that simulates exactly what you would deal with, don't expect to react perfectly, expect to still react uncleanly. I've had many instances while learning martial arts that I was still clumsy in my reaction times and executions of my techniques and defended myself against a person using a knife on me. It wasn't a clean situation but I was able to subdue the person. In your thought experiment, I think it depends on the person with the gun if he had any training or no training. I personally would draw and give warning to the mugger. No sign of acknowledging my warning, verbally or non-verbally, and still closing the distance, I would issue the warning again. Still no response, and 7-5 meters away from my gun, I'd adjust my aim for the person's legs. If he draws any weapon from his pocket, then I'm gonna shot. Just because, in this case, he draws a taser, and it's non-lethal, he can still stun me, disable my defenses, and not only frisk me and get my wallet, but my gun, and what's to stop him from blowing my head off? I've seen his face...

@Consept That's the power of stereotype and projection, don't expect most people wouldn't do the same to you. Depends on the type of dog. If it's a chihuahua or similar sized dog, I would let it go. But a bulldog, or a similar/bigger sized dog, bred and trained typically to guard places and attack people, then I would shot to disable, or if the situation was much dire, shoot to kill. If I see someone running away from me, with my stolen weapon, turning around to fire it, I would shot. And I expect you to do the same/similar to me if you find me in such a state of consciousness that I would harm you or others. I can definitely agree with you that further refinement of training would be needed for the police force. For example, that officer failed to secure a rear-choke holed onto the drunk guy. I've done martial arts training and can tell you that proper application can de-escalate the situation.

'seemed' is the keyword here. We can only know so much in a video, or in a person's direct experience, that we cannot assume anymore, otherwise, we are projecting way too much. That's fine reading stuff on him, but that's looking back to the past. Try to bring yourself into that police's position, as the situation is unfolding. As a hypothetical, you're the cop that the guy has stolen the taser from, and now you're giving chase, but you lose him. A day later, that same guy used your weapon to do evil to another person. How would you feel then, as the cop that lost his weapon?

Or, he's a sociopath and lied convincingly to police. Notice how quickly he escalated the situation. We don't know much from one video, but that's the limited window of that reality.

The naivety of people defending the drunk guy that stole a taser from a cop is mind-boggling. Some suggest that the cops should have let him go to apprehend him later - without thinking of the consequences of that, i.e now he has a taser, and not knowing much of him (serial killer, rapist, psychopath, sociopath...) now he has a new tool to hurt other people that happen to be in his path. Imagine him using that taser to stun and rape a woman later on that day, or break into somebody's home, assuming the cops give chase, and now a hostage situation unfolds. See how the situation has spiralled more out of control? And check your conflation here between the recent events of the George Floyd case and this situation. Too much generalizing and distortion going on here, too much black and white thinking about this situation. The reality is what it is on video, nothing more, nothing less!

@Onemanwolfpac Yeah, crazy times we're living. Blame games, police brutality, race-baiting, political power struggles, cold warfares, and cover-ups of power grabs. We definitely need to meditate our thoughts on these issues away. Otherwise, we'd go insane, one way of the other.

@Onemanwolfpac There definitely are cases where it is clear to use force proportionate to the threat. That's terrible, to survive but be paralyzed from the neck down. We're definitely not appreciating what police officers go through on our behalf, the type of people they deal with.

@Yog Nice! Everyone here, regardless of what side you take, be careful of playing the 'centrist/middle ground' position. If you empathize with the police in this situation, or the drunk, resisting person, that's your moral/cognitive development and level of consciousness. Leo Gura is pointing to a new trend now, with newer traps to it, and that new trap is 'police bashing' which is another form of demonization. Same with George Floyd and that police officer. While what happened to him was 'awful', he has a criminal background of years of victimizing other members of his community, and he himself brought this upon himself. While the police officer applied excessive force, some percentage of the police have personality traits and degrees of psychopathy necessary for policing others. Otherwise, why would God be foolish to allow for such types of people in the first place? There was a video where the Gracies were training some police officers Brazilian Jiujitsu and countering attempts of gun disarming. Maybe police officers need better martial arts training. I definitely agree there needs to be better training overall. So, before demonizing the police, remember where your level of security has come from, and appreciate why your immediate environment isn't turned into a hellhole instead. Don't overlook how you're benefiting from police work.

@Roy Yes, it's a long process, because of this deep desire within the masses to pedestal a powerful force of authority. Even if we throw away the state, the masses will quickly fill that void with another thing to worship. Whether it's a religious god, or a nation/country, or a new form of state, or the internet/media,

From what I've seen so far, the George Floyd case was once a local case, now gone pandemic, and every black community, outside of the states even, is protesting, and to a small degree looting and rioting. Trump, as usual, tries to leverage the anger for more power, but it appears that it has somewhat backfired. Now, that American state is going to pass on legislation for police defunding and dismantling. The internet is a powerful thing. To me, all this is a projection from the masses, their pent-up hate, frustration, and jealousy, including black communities, onto Trump and the police system. Yet, everybody is overlooking that the state, the new god the masses created, has many fingers and is happy to play whatever role the masses project onto it. Soon enough, these issues will resolve in whatever way, and the state survives, whatever the outcome. What's more concerning, is that these projections are distractions, from the collective looking inwards. It's so easy for groups to look outward, for external changes. Pulling down statues, shooting rubber bullets at protesters, burning and looting stores, throwing tear gas at people, dismantling the police, protesters disrupting public transport, and so on. When will they turn inwards? Past sages, including the Dalai Lama, have warned the masses, time and time again. It seems it is only a matter of time, and a matter of how many will survive in the end, to then realize the mass projections they had created, are really just distractions. When?

@DivineSoda I agree with some of your points. I don't remember the name of the scientist /philosopher that discussed the issue of manufacturing consent, but that's what you're touching on here. Like I've posted, the state, our new god, is cunning and able to play many roles and distractions that the masses project onto it like hate, jealousy, and much more. Furthermore, each community/collective projections onto the state are made up of many individual projections. Each individual projection may be a fiction, but some can be very real, others can come from the differences with each aspect of the environment, moral/cognitive development from each person/group, and states of consciousness derived from brain chemistry, genes, physiology, or from particular Samskaras/karmic build-ups each person accumulates, and at what stage of the spiral your community you're born/living in is. Altogether, this is a very complex issue that simply overthrowing the state would not resolve overnight, so we must learn to negotiate our differences with each other and the state. Again, you've made a good post.

And this is where neuro-linguistic programming shines the best! Re-framing, among other mental modifiers, is NLP's bread and butter.

@Onemanwolfpac Exactly. This is all leading to somewhere dark, like a negativity synchronicity.

@apparentlynoself A yellow individual is a systems-thinker, who sees morality as subjective? But doesn't he also see the systems he thinks are subjective too?

@Roy Would you like to volunteer first?

@ivory Exactly, the George Floyd case was too disturbing that the masses project those negative emotions outward, onto other people, places, the police, the whites, and the state. And the state, for many communities the new god, is happy to play whatever roles and projections the masses want it to play, as long as it distracts from deeper issues brewing within.

@Husseinisdoingfine @DrewNows Another spiritual master speaking on about politics, just like the Dalai Lama saying "Europe belongs to the Europeans.". Yet, as usual, the masses project their hate, love, and confusion onto the Dalai Lama, which the state is all too happy to leverage.

@krockerman Exactly.

As long as people behave in a civilized manner, and not cling to logic like a needy teen, then there's growth to be had here.

That's ok. People are people and will always get triggered. The masses now worship the state as it's new god, and Trump, it's many idols, to be venerated or to be condemned. As long as the collective get's to project outward and distract, the state is all too happy to follow along. The Dalai Lama had warned people about this dynamic, but oh well, don't listen to a holy man, that had gone through the mistreatment of the Chinese communists, that has supernatural abilities.

@Freakyboo Nice story, nice projections. Notice all the shadows in you coming out, and every judgment you make of Trump, the military, the state, and protesters is just you disowning those qualities in you. Every good and bad judgment is you further burying yourself.

It all depends on where the individual is at, and at which level of mind-body development they're at.

I've found that focusing on working on your traumas, shadow selves, deprogramming limiting beliefs, and engaging with spiritual practices like meditation and concentration can serve as supplementary training for transcending needs.