Danioover9000

@bebotalk How is this response warranted towards @Princess Arabia? She's sharing a more spiritually and yes subjective opinion, and you're sharing some partial objective opinion on golf, and here I am arguing with you that there are loads other sports, combat sports, and other social arreas that take up more land than golf. The fact you think that golf courses, golf driving ranges, golf clubs, do not provide any benefit at all displays your bias and ignorance of golfing when we now have a more diverse demographic trying out golf. This stereotyping of white rich man mostly play golf is CRAZY, and just assuming golf does not provide any entertainment value or benefit to those golfing is simplistic!

@zazen I agree with that humans with their higher consciousness, and social being genetics, are both capable and co-create art together at various degree, and animals do a bit less of that. My past argument with Leo was he had this absolute belief animals are not capable of art, and humans do, when I say animals are capable of art, just not like humans do. I mean we literally have seen an elephant painting a tree in a video...and yes maybe there was some training and maybe abuse, but the elephant demonstrated it's visual capacity and control of it's trunk to even paint a tree here:

I think the first guy here, who's probably stage orange/green atheist, does a decent job trying to show Bob here, the more stage blue Christian Protestant, the shadows of his worldview, and why questioning is important. Other speakers like that Liberal atheist I think, and the last guy were a bit triggered more by his debate style and framing more so than the topic, I think:

This one seems a bit more legit, shows how stage orange/green valuing people backwards rationalize and argue stage blue values. Also shows religious dogmatism from both sides, and yes specifically I do agree with gangster guy that stories do get corrupted over time, which implication being the EGO and the devils corrupt spiritual truths, nothing new here other than there's several factors and effects to society:

@Leo Gura I'm not saying nonsense when you made that art video long time ago you said animals don't have artistry and humans are more creative and artistic, or am I wrong? Then when someone showed you an elephant painting you joked about how much abuse went to that baby elephant for it to paint a tree, like any being has to go through some abusive training to be able to make art. Sorry but animals are capable of ART similar humans, but in their animal way, for example the elephant painting a tree, or a bird in mating season constructing a hut and twigs and leaves, or a fish able to use a rock as a makeshift tool to crack open a shell. If those animals had hands and had minds more similar to ours they'd be able to demonstrate more of their arts to us, but due to their limited forms they can't, but that doesn't mean creativity is absent in them!

@Rafael Thundercat Don't misquote another user please. She was responding to OP's point of too many golfing courses.

@Epikur Reason why is because conspiracy theory is against forum guidelines. Also I disagree that golf course and golfing driving ranges are just for rich white people. People with an interest golfing are welcome.

Another example of religious dogma, and some limits of debating and arguing: See how triggered and offended everyone was there.

@Karmadhi Good luck to him for seeking to prosecute that bi-bi prick. I hope he makes history.

@Carl-Richard AKA body language analysis, AKA social/interpersonal intelligence.

@FourCrossedWands Basically OP's argument to the extreme.

@Yimpa Careful, Leo hates elephants and doesn't believe elephants can paint and express artistry in their elephant way.

@Yimpa Nah man, that last second video with the piano sounded a bit cringe to me, felt sorry for the piano. In fact both are racist ways of injecting hip hop into a music genre that doesn't support hip hop at all. Hip Hop came from the streets and from black culture, so forcing in Hip Hop into classical music is reverse racism, but it also is racist in that the white culture is culturally appropriating black music, in this case hip hop, into orchestra and classical music. Sorry it doesn't sound right to my ears and I immediately feel something very off putting about that.

@zazen That's true for the most part, I still don't know why others here are not realizing that the some and few alt right wing Zionists the Likud Party is the driving force of this Israel/Palestine conflict.

@Majed Music is both objective and subjective, and is a domain within ART which also houses visuals and bodily art like martial arts. Also even in music there are so many other genres of music, like orchestra, classical, folk, cultural and national. For example in Hip Hop you could say it's objective because there's history to Hip Hop music and genres within like in rap music there's Reggae, Boom bap rap, then later you have Kayne West type of R&B or even Drake's club banger music beats, mumble rap, UK Grime and UK Drill, even down to individual groups and artists like Eminem, Kendrick Lamar, J Cole(I don't like), Lil' Wayne, Jidi, then OGs like Tupac Shakur, Biggie, Big L, Big Pun, Cannibis, LL Cool Jay, Ice Cube, Wutang Clan, Immortal Technique, Busta Rhymes, and so on. Subjectivity comes into play with how each person's ears likes sonically, how our mind's ears like to replay songs and bars. For example I can replay a few entire albums in my mind like 009 sound system Dream scape because I do like the melodies there, the special effects in the audio it's catchy for me to remember completely, and then there are other music I don't like and either am lucky to forget or is stuck in memory for me.

Some example of how psychopaths communicate:

@LSD-Rumi So after doing some body language analysis, tonality and verbal, and statement analysis, I feel it's likely just hi trolling this. What makes this trickier is Howard's and Robbin's way of questioning him, and some of those questions are them interjecting their bias onto him, AKA asking leading questions and making some assumptions. Just how he answers them, his voice, the amount of 'um', 'uh', and intonations that indicate feelings of uncertainty and unsure feeling is there, there's enough for me to say he's trolling. I don't think it's real in this time of typing. If you have further proof the caller 'Clay' is an actual psychopath and the actual serial killer let me know here or dm please.

@Princess Arabia After doing some body language analysis, and in this case both verbal and statement analysis, I've concluded the caller has some degree of psychopathy but he's not a serial killer. Why? Because he had too many 'ums', 'uh', those filler words, which indicates internal processing/thinking about your answer. Also for 50% of the caller interview he was deflecting questions, and his voice sounded in places unsure, uncertainty, and surprise, which honestly if you're a serial killer, and you have killed, there's little uncertainty about the recollection. Here it's likely he's trolling, and the fact that the caller 'Clay' here was surprised in his tone to realize he's talking to Howard after already conversing with him and his female colleague, plus Howard's reputation at that time as a dark humour radio show guy, creates enough doubt in me to say he's faking here.

@Carl-Richard I agree. This is basically the 9 types of intelligences, and differences between specialized and generalized intelligence. There's also attention span which IMO plays a factor as well. With me I can easily zone out of very technical and very equation heavy lectures, but if the lectures are highly visual and align with my biases and interests I tend not to zone out too much. Even in areas where I'm pretty competent, say in chess or in drawing, I know and have enough experiences that I zone out but the output and process isn't effected at all.

@Leo Gura Yes I also agree, philosophy, sometimes metaphysics, mathematics especially equations and formulas, I find mostly boring and unimportant. But when it comes to language and the arts like drawing and music I'm pretty intelligent and visualizing stuff is easy and interesting to me. Maybe I draw what I see and know, not just what I see and not know.

@Nivsch, @Vrubel, @Lila9, @Heaven, and @hundreth. Sound about right? Oh and @Bobby_2021

@Merkabah Star True, same with me, I'm only against the Likud party and the war crimes Netanyahu has committed so far, that's all. I'm sure most Israeli citizens there are just caught in this polarization, and some left wing Israelis are trying to fight this too. I hope justice is served for those who deserve it most, and divine punishment to those most deserving for this whole mess.

This was a complete mess: What was missed in all that freaking shouting, was that even the Likud party discriminates against Arab Jews and even Arab Christians. In fact anything resembling Arabs they racially discriminate, that is alt right Zionism for you! I wonder how Bob would feel if he really knew how deeply racist Likud party is towards even Arab Christians too, and how he would feel when some of those Christians he calls brothers and sisters were caught in the cross fire? How they freaking bombed even a church killing some Arab Christians and other Palestinian civilians just to get to 1-2 HAMMAs members? But hey, overall good debate and you got to condemn both sides and be able to.

@Nivsch It was. What are you talking about?