Danioover9000

@Tetcher Steve Crowders's assessment of George Floyds death and situation is impartial and at best lazy. He should have gone to this person to help him test out his theory. This man knows how to properly retrain individuals resisting an arrest, and would properly provide a more accurate assessment of the situation with George Floyd's death, and show Crowder proper application of force. Might as well have this person training police as well. Fantastic demonstration of restraints. He's also a pretty good practitioner of russian systema and other systems of combat.

@Parththakkar12 I would say it depends on who is more persuasive, the accused or the accusor. If either one has greater status, money, and communication skill, the higher one tends to control how they are perceived in public, and the lower one tends to not be viewed favorable in the public eye. To some extent, we do have case studies and developments in psychology that understand why the false accusations occur. For example, sociopathy now is a spectrum, that is exhibited both in men and women, and that women who have innate sociopathic traits are more likely to falsely accuse anyone and blame anything but themselves, which also means they can falsely accuse their partners of rape. Similarly, women who are psychopaths are more effective at exploiting other men and women due to them having to study human behaviour far more to make up for their lower emotional intelligence. Like sociopathy, psychopathy has degrees as well, and both are also influenced by outside factors as well. The main issue is that there's not that much incentives for court systems to have harsher sentences of false accusation relative to the crime the person is falsely accused of.

@Emerald I will address your points, as you were quoting my post to another user I addressed, not you. You are initiating this exchange with me, so I'll respond and clarify once. I'm speaking about some men who are falsely accused of raping a woman, and having to deal with repercussions of such allegations on their family and community, and I'm not speaking for all men, or for guilty men, only for the small percentage who are later proven to be innocent after years of jail time, and some won't have decent lives later on. I'm not speaking about all women who come forward, to then be accused of the crime of false accusation. The point of that post is to get him to imagine what it's like dealing with a false accusation hanging over your head for others to see, so I see no reason why you needed to interject here in our dialogue. Your second point about a community preferring one narrative over the other is irrelevant, because I don't know what community you are referring to, in which country, in which culture, in which society, and the epistemic framework of which legal system applies. This is left too ambiguous that I can't properly provide a response, and also this point is misaligned with my dialogue with that other user, and my position that some men are falsely accused. I'm well aware that cultures, societies and communities shape individuals and laws enforced, and that there are differences from country to country, culture to culture, so I see no reason why you should lump me with sexists and misogynistic users here, and no reason why you belittle my understanding, when I'm only focused on the small percentage of men falsely accused of rape, by a lying woman. Why do I have to understand that ALL women who come forward will get falsely accused of the crime of false accusation, when I'm in dialogue with another user about the small percentage of men who are falsely accused of the crime of rape, coming from one woman lying and taking advantage of social movements like Metoo and feminism? You see, my main gripe is localized only to the few women that take advantage of social movements to snare a guy, and take away half or more of his property and money regardless of lasting damages and repercussions to family and community. The topics on political issues are seperate to the false rape problem here, but I will comment and say that political movements like metoo and feminism are great to have for women. I have no gripe over such movements, only to the relevant issue for me: that a guy gets falsely accused of the crime of rape, by a lying woman. My main issue is not how all or most men get falsely accused by all or most women. Don't frame me as a misogynist generalizing, I'm focused on the cases that are relevant to being falsely accused of a crime you didn't commit, and having to deal with later social ramifications of such misjudgment by court systems. How does society compensate for victims of false accusations? I'm not addressing this rock analogy because I made myself clear above, as it's not aligned with my position that a small percentage of men are being falsely accused of the crime of rape by a few women. The main issue is an innocent man having to deal with a false accusation and stigma over his head, jail time, and harder living in a community that views you and people related to you as vile, when it's in fact not true and is a lie. The issue is not about rocks, and comparing risk factors between men and women. I repeat, the main issue is that a small percentage of men are being falsely accused of the crime of rape by women who are lying. In conclusion, I can't speak for other male users here about their positions on the topic of false accusation by a woman onto a man, either for monetary gain or selfish motives. The aim of my position, and the thread, is about solving the problem of flalse accusations, and answering the kew question: How does a society handle false accusations, and compensate victims of such false allegations? However, you seem to lump me with such types of people like sexists and misogynists, and assume without any substantial proof things about my character you don't know. How is this any different from lyers that falsely accuses a person for crimes they did not commit? Please be mindful of such presumptions. For example, I'm also assuming things about you in regards to your interjection between me and another user, which could alsk be false or true, so from those I've decided to not continue future dialogues involving you. I hope you also assume you do the same to me, to not involve me in discussions with little substance, and to not frame me in a bad light. Have a good day.

@Gesundheit Unless I'm mistaken, but this is one example. There are far worse ones that can't be posted.

@Gesundheit Ok, the culture shapes societal views of men and women. So, what if the guy got accused of rape, gets jailed for 20 years, and is found out to be innocent? How does that society help this man transition back into life in one of it's communities? He was falsely accused, found innocent, but spent 20 years in jail.

@The0Self This is getting closer to the main issue! Great, now where do we go from here?

@Gesundheit The maun question then, is how do we sort out the false accusation from ones that are genuine? How does society handle false accusations? None of the other topics, just what does it take to stop the fales rape problem?

@Parththakkar12 The False Rape Problem. Can I get a cookie?

@Parththakkar12 Men shouldn't have to go through what this guy went through. For 20 years. Jesus christ.

@Parththakkar12 And I know how fucked up it gets, having to deal with a false accusation, going through the court proceedings. We definitely should have a collective conversation about this, as this issue deserves a spot among many other societal and individual offences. The fact that courts have a larger gap of charges for false accusations vs real crime is bad, as this isn't enough to deter anyone from making false accusations.

@Parththakkar12 Also, be more careful if you're dating after dealing with a break up, or death of a loved one, as this opens you up to those who can manipulate you into getting into an intimate relationship, marrying, and filling for divorce for the money.

@Parththakkar12 By protecting yourself proactively, you avoid the flase accusations for the most part, and avoid most crazy women. There definitely should be laws that give harsher sentences for those who falsely accuse, comparable to the crime in question if true. I'm with you in part about dealing with false accusations, it's not easy, and getting jailed for nothing is worse, as that is harder to get jobs, and live locally. The trick here, is are there more incentives against behaviours of falsely accusing people?

@Parththakkar12 For the most part, so the best place for men to avoid being falsely accused, is being mindful of surroundings and who you are communicating to. Mostly look at their faces when talking, and scan their body for deceit signals. It's a weird world for men to live in at the moment.

@ted73104 Jesus, if this is true then the entire thread was derailed for the most part.

@Parththakkar12 Ah, in this case the guy was flirting too soon. He should have cold read her body language before approaching, and have a normal conversation first to get a feel of the woman's state and personality. Signs of deceit and a off feeling of her personality, that's the time to leave.

@Gesundheit Give it a go, try to imagine what it's like dealing with false accusers and accusations against you. Have you ever been falsely accused of anything in your life?

@Gesundheit Imagine having to live being accused of a crime you didn't commit, and how your community thinks about you and your family. How would you think and feel in general?

@Tetcher I agree, as this keeps the few women that are evil second guessing whether to start falsely accusing, and this does seem more fair, as the falsely accused is much harder to live a normal life, and the one that did the false accusation gets off lightly.

There's a difference between being raped, and being falsely accused for rape. The former involves physical, psychological and to some contexts in the past social suffering, and the later mostly has more psychological and social suffering and ramifications that effect one's standing in their communities. For the sake of simple, let's exclusively focus on false accusations on rape and provide links and videos of false accusations and their effects:

Bringing this back on topic, how do we stop the big fishing industries without any negative consequences coming back to us?

@neutralempty Looks like I rest my case. GG.

@Zeitgeist Vegans also come at this from a place of attention seeking too. Of course, animals and plants don't care at all about humans, because we are a virus to this planet that adapts to almost anything.

@Zeitgeist On the basis of health, I do agree more than on the basis of morality of eating plants. At the end of the day, you make up meanings and enforce them into your identity, whatever you eat, as attachments to the body. If anybody just questions them, they get defensive immediately to protect the constructed identity.

@neutralempty 1. Plants do contain consciousness. Don't take my word for it, validate it yourself. 2. I'm talking about plants, not batteries. 3. I want people to develop awareness to their connection to foods they eat, and how they create an identity out of it, which will be defended against others who identify to different diets. 4. I have considered that Veganism is a different dietary practice, and a different type of morality. This depends on each person and their worldview. Also, plants can feel and have memory as well: