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@Davino True, but one's religion I don't think is a significant factor here.

Again, he's right on the violence bit, not about Islam, but isn't aware of his own biases, plus how susceptible he is to trolling😂

@Davino True, and I feel like this man, while he's intelligent and maybe wise and experienced, still needs to develop past this martial arts trap: For about 15 or so years he's been addressing and attacking dogmatically BJJ and Joe Rogan!

Great examples of traps;

@zazen Yes, if Israel's Likud party do not play carefully they will end up in a more worse situation. One crazy week for sure!

@hundreth Might as well include you and @Nivsch together.

IMO the greatest album ever since 2009: interesting take from a pseudo Pewdipie STAN:

@integration journey Pretty good, but a lot of action taking.

@Nivsch And?

@hundreth As @Merkabah Star stated, this is a news thread. So if this thread is white noise and virtue signaling to you, why involve yourself here and not help out the Israeli leadership?

@Nivsch And so? That's mostly white noise and virtue signaling. It doesn't necessarily mean they'll follow through on it. Just like how politicians lie on promises they cannot keep and execute on.

Putting aside this crocodile and eagle delusion spreading in this forum as traps, here's another interesting martial arts commentary and trap:

IMO the main problem with this framing is the assumption of one right and one wrong. Absolute right/wrong framing when most young people, young males especially, actually need a role modal like Wes Watson even if he's hyper stage orange in values, especially factoring in toxic social media sites, the rise of introverts and Incels and other mentally unwell and mentally stressed out young people. The advice and principles of Andrew Wilson's side of the panel, a bunch of Christian nationalists preaching conservative and traditional values don't get is their advice will mostly be put on hold and are too soon to implement for younger people trying to discover who they are, dealing with their internalities and externalities of problems in that young age gap. I feel like this whole situation is a cart before the horse in development, we actually need young people to aspire to Wes Watson and Andrew Tate first, get their materialistic desires sorted, their desires for more capital and sex sorted first, THEN we can talk about Christian, nationalistic, conservative values later after all that selfish desire is sorted out.

@zurew True in the context of arguing and debating, consistency logically is key. For example in a science versus religion debate, we have 2 arguers, one a Christian, the other a scientist and maybe atheist. Ok, so for argument consistency, the Christian's is morally consistent with the teachings of the Holy Bible and the church they represent, and the scientist should be morally consistent with their worldview. Great example of this is when Andrew Wilson was debating Destiny and NotSoErudite, and he argued onto her her moral contradictions of being a good Christian yet having an open marriage with her husband, therefore she has 2 moral frameworks, one Christian and one not Christian, and she spent so much time deflecting and dodging his questioning and debating. Basically it's a performative contradiction when you're say identified as a conservative but your belief system is mostly liberal see?

@undeather I think Vegans are just more annoying to talk to or debate on this issue, and must meat eaters have a more rhetoric advantage in that they don't become as emotional and triggered. I don't like the militant types of vegans arguing from a place of hubris, that optics turns most people of and tends to make the audience side with meat eaters. Another big issue, is that meat tastes way better than vegetables themselves, that's a huge specific issue for those eating. And finally it's this confusion with moral subjectivity and moral objectivity, and the Vegans/meat eaters not seeing it's deeply cultural and that actually slow changes have to happen slowly.

@Manusia Thanks for sharing your trip report!

@Javfly33 This is why measuring kits are very important with psychedelics...

@OBEler ok.

@zazen Yes.

@Majed

@zazen Yes and no. Yes animals can mimic art by being trained in pattern recognition and most are driven by instincts. No in that I'm arguing that ART is far more bigger, hierarchical, and wider that it includes humans, animals, ghosts, anything with sentience has ART to some degree. The ART of a bird making a nest and bird songs, some birds even mimic sounds perfectly, is art at that form or level. Different level of ART when a human does S.T.E.M shit like airplane design or nuclear bombs and nuclear plants, even drawing and visualizing drawing. ART has degrees and a spectrum to it, just like consciousness has degrees. Human consciousness way different from ant's, or a spirit, or an alien, same with ART. I thought I was clear enough for most users reading my arguments? I'm saying art has levels, and not just saying humans only have ART and no animal cannot have art right? Spectrum right? I have realized this discourse was derailed hard into ART existential bs when it's specifically about music being objective or subjective? Sorry OP, seems my argument points here going above most people's heads so I'm outta this thread. All because some guys are jealous an elephant can paint a tree or birds sing better than they do right?

@Karmadhi That's true, the propaganda machine in Israel is really strong. It's the world's fault obviously, not the Likud party Zionists in charge that made this whole mess 80 years ago.

@OBEler How am I answering this myself that there's no art seen here? Why are you making it like my answer is it's only animal abuse and hard training when I said the animal is capable of ART by it's behaviors, like the bird constructing a hut and nest for it's mate, or the octopus using shells and mimicking it's surroundings, or the fish using a shell, or the elephant using a paint brush to paint a tree? Even a Chimpanzee uses branches and stones is part of ART. Visual capacity, trunk control(limb control in other animals/humans/aliens) and internalizations and mental representations and sense making apparatuses in our minds, consciousness, and external factors have EVERYTHING to do with ART! YES! You are an artist if you draw lines on a number picture, draw using pencils or pens or charcoal on a canvas or other surface mediums. At least when you demonstrate the externalities of ART like marking onto parts of an environment. And when you have consciousness of a human, animal, alien or any sentient life YOU ARE AN ARTIST! Spare me the moral outrage of an elephant being forced to draw this shit for tourists to get rewards. I get and understand that I won't forget that, and I will NEVER FORGET the sacrifices of other artists and the Mangakas that draw beautifully forcing themselves in minimum wages just top draw amazing artwork that FEELS AUTHENTIC! Of course ART will have some sacrifices and sufferings to making ART! I suffer making my own ART having to deal with my health and mental problems trying to draw my own ART! Do you think the birds and the bees and the Elephant and the octopus wants to deal with all that ART to survive and maintain their lives in this world?! Everything based on developmental factors, ART has internal and external factors, is systemic and based on the Spiral Dynamics stages of development, moral and cognitive development, psychology, society, cultural programing, information ecology, one's ideological beliefs indoctrinated.

This is how evil and corrupt the React Community in YT are, especially the music ones. How are they giving Knox the win when Scru is clearly winning and disproving his other lies????STAN behavior that's for sure!

@Husseinisdoingfine That's a lot of greenery...