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@Sugarcoat Maybe, but in reality it's mostly stage blue/orange. Any stage red is likely from bits of movie scenes or again domineering types of porn.

@Carl-Richard Yes, I have pioneered a Spiral Dynamics thread about pornography roughly 4 years ago. You can ask @OBEler and @Inliytened1 about it, and that other user who wasn't a mod then 4 years ago. In fact I think 3 users that turned mods weren't mods then and participated in that porn thread. Internet history for you!😂

@Sugarcoat I assume what the OP meant by stage red porn stars is the movie scenes and videos of rough sex, and nude wrestling types and maybe BDSM and the rape fantasy domineering types of porn...which speaks more about OP than the topic...😅

@rd5555 Why is it that some users years later are copying my idea of the Spiral Dynamics porn thread I started??? Anyways yes and no, in average you mostly have stage orange/blue porn stars and porn actors/actresses. It's not just the fame and fortune, but their physicality and the higher sex rate they crave and need, and the voyeurism and exhibition of putting their hot naked bodies in sexual acts in display for the world to see. What you might be referring to about stage red porn, is the genre of domination types of fetishes and kinks revolving around violence/control/submission seeking and domination dynamics, which isn't the most common viewer but a good chunk of people do view domination types of porn. And I don't know why you've come to the conclusion that this type doesn't fit porn actresses? Have you heard of BDSM, Dominatrixes, nude wrestling where the female porn star and actress is choking on a porn actor?

@Davino I agree, so when my body and tongue tells me 'meat is GOOD and JUICY!' I will still follow what tastes really good and juicy, the fat and the meat tasty. And when my body became depressed when I ate celery I knew that meat is the way and the life of living!

@Nemra I think he has a website and spiritual forum there as well. I don't know the link, but he does have a forum.

@Davino Ok. Well, I was talking about the exception with @Leo Gura. So, de-escalation will work most of the time? What are you assuming here about de-escalation working most of the time and not working? What do you mean I didn't have any options if de-escalation wasn't working?

@Leo Gura You really think it doesn't happen? It's a fantasy sort of scenario that Robberies, burglars, battery, assault, domestic violence, gang violence doesn't happen in Ghettos, streets and slums, and in Chicago or in NYC Jersey? Also, what is/isn't necessary for fighting skills is dictated by environment and situation where it happens and when it happens. How is that an excuse to play macho and justify training...like you think you're assuming too much here? Not everyone wants to be alpha male/female and do martial arts to beat up everyone! Alpha bro fantasy sports...😂

@Butters I meant the most extreme, when a guy is assaulting, sexually, high on drugs/alcohol your GF, therefore it's extremely cowardly to run away and not fight the person off. I was responding to Leo there, and also the other user saying the de-escalation stuff. The verbal violence, the heated conflicts in social situations, that's a bit different. Also not talking about celebrities but average people.

@James123 There's one that @Nahm started about non-duality and Neo-Advaita stuff.

@BlueOak Can you give me the link to this guy's YT? Video is not available.

@BlueOak What do you think was the point of Chinese Go? Capturing territory obviously! @aurum I agree, his channel is so good he private the video!

@Schizophonia Huh?

Based on their body language Hamza actually came off as more humble than Chris, who came off as lecturing in desperation to Hamza. Also for argument's sake, if what Chris says is true, then we also should take his words with buckets of salt and doubt him as much as we should doubt and question Hamza. Sorry but this was IMO a bad look for Chris to project and give his take onto Hamza's situation and life events when he knows very little: Although I will say it's funny how Hamza's leg is occupying Chris's leg space which made him cross legged to begin with. I will also say that Chris for most part clasped his hands with moments of heightened aggression when emphasizing and 'lecturing' Hamza.

@Schizophonia What do you mean Chris seems to have PPD? You mean BPD? I might be wrong with Hamza, but I do like he at least says more how he doesn't know, and how he even doesn't know himself, meanwhile Chris just seems desperate to lecture him on responsibility and him being a public figure and comments as if he knows more about Hamza's life situations. Like Chris do you have the self awareness to know you might be more wrong than Hamza at that moment? Also are you saying that Chris overestimates how he manipulates and underestimates a woman's ability to see him 'holistically'? On the dating point, are you more criticizing Hamza or Chris? Also on the body language again, look at 15:25 to 15:30 when Hamza asks him back what questions would I ask myself, on the topic of personal development, and you see Chris's torso activate, lots of shuffling in his neck/shoulders/arms and posture shifting. In body language we call this modal shifting because this indicates the person's so discomfort that he/she has to move to shift out of their mood a bit, and to prepare themselves for a loaded statement. I'll keep saying this again, so far throughout Chris's energy was just too tense and hyper in comparison to Hamza's. I mostly disagree with Chris here on that honesty and authenticity. Most people in society have to 'fake it till they make it', white lies, and forced politeness. Some degree of honesty is nice, but any more on the extreme end of honesty isn't helpful Chris. If Hamza took your idiotic advice of be more authentic and honest, and Hamza dates a woman and is honest about his rape fantasies to her, and he ends up in trouble for your selfish advice onto him, who's more responsible in that moment CHRIS?! For Christ sake...

@Leo Gura Of course, but in some cases quitting or running away is extremely cowardly, like if someone is assaulting your GF or family there's no longer any peaceful resolution there, you have to fight back. Therefore not all fighting is driven by 2 fat egos clashing, sometimes fighting is necessary for defending yourself or your loved one from a more selfish monster.

@Davino When I stated that the biggest trap is discounting the spirituality aspect of fighting, the masculine love aspect of fighting and those moments of religious experience while fighting, I meant that the guy I quoted here is delusional in thinking to include Islam as a bigger factor in fighting when the environmental factors and cultural factors are greater than Islam. Also he keeps on saying how Islam is a peaceful religion...

@Butters Have I ever stated or implied that JKD, Krav Maga or Russian Systema makes you highly resilient or immune to knife attacks? No I haven't, and even with Eskrima or Filipino martial arts with knives I don't suggest knife fighting. Even if you're really good there's little guarantee you'd not get sliced or maybe stabbed, so avoiding or running away if possible is best against knives, using a gun or nun chucks back then.

@Leo Gura The main problem with that is on average in a street fight, you're likely assailant would be high on drugs or alcohol or too pent up on adrenaline, so nerve pains would not reach that quickly to the attacker's brain. High on drugs, alcohol, or even steriods they tend to not be as susceptible to nerve pains. Just look at the massive violence in Chicago or other black ghettos during the heroine and coke epidemic, they literally needed weapons far more, and even some evidence showing how resilient some people are in such states of being. while it depends on moment to moment, most universal way is shooting them in the legs, or actually destroying their limbs so they can't move them, or a straight up knock out strike.

@Rafael Thundercat Actively balance, and be proactive. That's mostly it for starters. Just look at Leonardo Da Vinci, multiple of several types of intelligences, but is active and proactive in whatever.

@Leo Gura @Carl-Richard @OBEler @Nivsch @Vrubel @Juan @Merkabah Star @zazen @Scholar

So I think that the biggest issue here is how murky the definition of success is, so here it is: What is the real meaning of success? Success (the opposite of failure) is the status of having achieved and accomplished an aim or objective. Being successful means the achievement of desired visions and planned goals. Anyone here agree or disagree with this meaning? And why? I do think it's mostly consistent and if the panel started with this definition then Andrew Wilson's side would be in trouble because most religions, or most religious nationalists have had success given to them from their upbringing: They go to some church and prey with their family and community, they chit chat, they are provided more options within that community, maybe they do hard work but again it's mostly made easier for them...therefore the stage orange Wes Watson, if he wasn't so triggered emotionally has a strong and valid argument against Andrew Wilson's nationalist Christian values. For example if Wes Watson defined success like this, and pressed the issue of marriage for young people onto Andrew Wilson, claiming that his religion and some religions in history practiced arranged marriage, then what's so successful about that? What's so considered successful being identified as a religious person, say Muslim, and be given a slave/wife to marry later?

@Butters This is why Krav Maga, Jeet Kune Do and Russian Systema are superior and valuable than any one fighting or martial arts system.

@Leo Gura Yes, in the real world there's no holds bars no rules fighting for SURVIVAL. Biggest trap though is discounting the spiritual aspects of martial arts.

Finally the video that shows the biggest blind spot, he's shadow of spirituality on fighting and his view on BJJ. Biggest oversight and ignorance of developmental factors! This man who preaches Islam as a peaceful religion, yet discounts the spiritual aspect of it. OF COURSE! You'd have to disregard the spiritual aspects and mystical aspects in tradeoff of being more realistic and practical if you want violence and fighting! I don't see how a hardcore Sufi practicing the non-duality Sufism would ever see or even allow oneself to love violence and fighting and disregard the spirituality!