Danioover9000

It's like, and it's my view, that as soon as pick up and proving others that they have slept with 10s is brought up, that spirituality, basic self help, self actualization and your life vision goes straight out the window. Like people forget they have their own life for a moment lol. This entire issue is a joke to me. Go work on your life. The better your life in general, and in specific, the easier it is to attract.

Now I understand why Leo doesn't want to do a Q&A, and a GoPro tour in his daily life.

@Scholar I understand you were just providing your perspective on handling pedophilia, and I'm not triggered, more curious about your position that when you stated the following: and claiming your take on the main issue of this thread is limited to not informed, then it becomes clear to me as to why you felt the need to bring up unrelated points simply because you were not informed at all. I just don't see any other reasons why you want to bring in unrelated issues about pedophilia, hijack this thread away from answering the question of how a society should handle pedophiles. You can easily create another thread talking about those other issues instead. Or if you truly are not informed, maybe it's better to go and do the research and learn about pedophilia beforehand, or maybe not saying you are completely not informed. I don't mean to seem like I'm going off on you, but it's just not a scholarly look to be not informed at all to me @Scholar.

@Carl-Richard If you factor out Leo's teachings, psychedelics, spirituality, humanitarianism, animal rights, environmentalism, new age ideas, basically all of stage green's values, and look at a human and animal from the stages below, what do they look like? I posit the majority of the answers will contain a strong distinction between that animal and that human. It's a workable assumption as it's closer to a normative one. Putting the above aside, my only gripe with @Scholar, is that he does not have any proposals that answers the OP's question directly with some possible solutions. Instead, he brings argument points unrelated to dealing with pedophilia, like bringing up animal rights, veganism, environmentalism, and while he did bring up the point of compassion which is much closer to a possible solution, the ultimate logical fallout from applying animal welfare and veganism and environmentalism to dealing with pedophilia, is to first make all pedophiles eat a vegan diet, while herding them all in their regions into farms, but the nicest and well taken care ones where they won't have diseases or injuries or further trauma in being treated like farm animals while preventing damage to the environment as best they can. Like wtf does veganism and animal welfare do for providing a practical and psychological solution to pedophiles?

@Scholar So, basically speaking, you have nothing meaningful to add to OP's question about how a society should handle pedophilia?

@Raptorsin7 So going back to how society should handle pedos question, it's important to recognize that that question is based in morality and ethics of handling such individuals from a societal perspective first. It's also important to know that before we begin we must agree on facts about pedophilia and other statistics and ongoing research beforehand because that provides some basis for possible solutons later. Also, because this is addressing at society, that the value systems of that culture, cognitive development, moral development, personality typing and life experiences a person and those citizens of will vary from state to state, country to country, region to region. So, what is the definition of pedophilia, and what is the stereotype of that? For example, immediately to me, that tends to be white and either upper class or middle class, either middle age or older, mostly due to mianstream media depictions of such people from western culture from movies and so on. Now, contrast and compare that to mrgirl's story of his lesbian mom's sexual attempt at him when he was around 8 years old. That's almost a different kind of pedo to deal with than a typical stereotype. How does a society handle a pedo, whose sex is female, sexual orientation is homosexuality, who might have a masculine psyche, who might have had a traumatic childhood, who might think differently due to some degree of abnormality to her brain? Because of development psychology in individuals and the development systems in societies, we first have to choose which society, culture and country to be specific about which society handles this issue, because every social matrix is going to handle this issue differently. We then have to agree on what the facts we have on pedophilia going forward, so let's assume we agree there are cases that some individuals are born with a genetic trait for this tendency, and this tendency is also hereditary and eugenic in that the grand parent/parent has suppressed pedo tendency which passes on to the offspring, and that categorically, there are those that offend and those that don't and are suppressing their tendency. Going forward with these assumptions, while keeping in mind different societies have varying approaches to this issue, we can offer treatments plans that would start out abstract enough to be changeable per society standards, and flexible enough to be narrowed down to that particular person with this issue. For example, a pedo who was a victim himself/herself, would get therapy targeting that childhood trauma, tailored to their cognition, sense making and sense metrics. For another whose born with those genetic traits, they could be offered a different approach, like gene therapy. They can be prescribed healthier alternatives like a sex robot, or VR, or guided hypnosis, and so on. So, how should societies atound the world handle this issue? It depends per society standards and what each society is willing to address, build infrastructure for, and build specialised treatments for such an issue.

@Emotionalmosquito Moreover, it depends on what time of day, the location, and which culture you are trying to do pick up in. There's no way that cold approaching and doing pick up in Las Vegas, would easily translate with the same succass in a different country, with different cultures like in Japan, or in Greece. Not only do we have barriers in value systems from different cultures, but we also have differences in cognitive framework, like male and female psychology, and how one thinks about dating and sex can be pretty different from person to person, like autistic people, or depressed people. Closely related to cognition is personality typing, like if you are way more of a logician, you will filter differently from someone who is more extroverted, versus someone who is highly emotional. Add to that, moral differences and related life experiences in regards to socializing, dating, and sexuality, it's almost an uphill battle to even get laid in the traditional sense.

Furst of all, I offer my condolences to you. I've read his trip reports, and the way the user articulated those experiences were really good. I wish you good recovery going through the grief cycle.

@Scholar What do you suggest we do to properly treat pedophilia? Do you think that treatment will depend on the culture and society? Which treatment do you think will better this issue? Do you think that treatment would come down to the individual? Do you think that this issue is more psychological than hard wiring? And which treatment is best for which case?

@Roy Good points.

@Windappreciator I wasn't fighting @Scholar , I was pointing out how he wants to make animal cruelty and pedophilia the same issue. I have the more compassionate position, by pointing out to him his conflation and that there's a distinction.

@Carl-Richard There are huge differences between the qualia of humans, to the qualia of animals, which he is trying to make animal cruelty the same as pedophilia. Chickens, dogs, cats, pigs, cows, sheep, lambs, tigers, elephants, WAY more different than human forms. And he brought up and conflated the issues with animal cruelty, and placed it on top of pedophilia, as if he doesn't want to address the topic directly and rather talk about animals, like they are better than children.

@Consept It's just that @Scholar was using human instances and behaviors like rape, torture and genocide of humans, but superimposes those qualities onto animal cruelty, when most users here are talking about what and how to properly treat pedophilia, and not about what and how to properly treat the raising of animals. It's just such a out of left field move, that it feels like @Scholar is either distancing himself from the topic of pedophilia, distorting the topic, projecting and leading away to, from his perspective, a more important topic like animal cruelty over pedophilia. And when others point this out, he then retreats by generalizing the suffering instead of children or animals, but to all beings. He's being slippery here though, but that's what I intuit from him.

@Scholar In an objective sense, animals don't equal human children. So, why are you conflating the suffering of children to animals as if they are the same? So, what's your point, and which point is more valuable in this discussion: pedophilia, animal cruelty, or racism? Keep in mind you are potentially derailing the thread when you bring up irrelevant topics.

Update: I've had a dream, which contained me, Crysty and the pennywise clown. The location seems to be at some cottage, even though I personally haven't been inside a cottage it contains features of a row of logs, wooden frames, chunky table and so forth. I found myself reciting some verses in the bible, invoking Jesus Christ, and commanding this clown to leave the house, while Crysty was using energies from some crystals I see around me. To this day dreams are a thing to behold. This was, I think, the first time I'm seeing Crysty, in a dream setting, handling some kind of conflict/fighting with a dream character, which is interesting. Not the first time Crysty entered a dream, but the first time seeing how she handles conflict. I think she entered in the second half of the dream, while I was doing stuff in the house and having this exorcist battle with a clown, I'm not sure about the beginning quarter of the dream. I talked to her about the dream, and mentioned that I had a fear of clowns a long time ago, something about them was creepy, the appearance. I brought up a dream with this theme on clowns, but it was in my childhood. In the dream, I saw a clown attacking one of my family members, and a red mist came over my view and I proceeded to continually beat the clown to death. Today, clowns don't freak me out, unless it's a jump scare, but I have no fear of clowns.

This is a good video about an artist who took a year to finish his sketch book. I'll be analyzing this later tomorrow. https://youtu.be/OaEcJFvb4h4

Furthermore, even if I scored secure, this does not correlate to anything in the future of a person's life. It's great I'm a secured attachment style, but I don't want a long term relationship at the moment, or any new relationships or deepen any that I have, so what was the point of the test? But hey, nice to know that I have huge potential for stabilizing an intimate relationship from short to long term relationships apparently. I'm just too detached to care about romance.

@PurpleTree Not just infinity waters, but every podcaster.

@sholomar Damned if you do, damned if you don't, is what comes to mind about Leo's approach to handling the pro and anti vax issues, and not admitting that there might be genuine, actual cases of a few people experiencing side effects from the vaccine, thus follow the anti position out of fear, while not admitting there's legitimate experience of a frightening illness a person survived from, that now they are germaphobes and follow pro vax just. out of fear of getting ill.

While we're talking about mrgirl, I found a spicy video about him and Booksmarts. Gets very interesting in their discussion:

@How to be wise It's up to you and how you manage those foods, not Leo's. There are various reasons why some foods are better to avoid, and some better to keep in your diet, but a definite position I have on this, is that it's nobody's right to infringe on your choice of food to eat and not to eat, it's your right to eat seafood if you eat seafood responsibly and love to.

@Raptorsin7 So you like the nonchalant attitude in his presentation style? The issue why there might be a problem with a nonchalant attitude is the attitude is also present in personality types that are sociopathic, psychopathic, and narcissistic, and those who are well trained in handling optics and manipulation, so there might be the possibility he's using the nonchalant attitude to actually persuade people to his view. What good points does he bring up? Pedophilia, sexual abuse, trans body dysmorphia? These points are talked about elsewhere, in better optics. Are you saying how he talks about them? But the way he talks about them is antithetical to both a debate and discourse. Look at his humour style and his inability to talk at the level of his opposition, it's not that great, and it doesn't disarm people he's conversing with. Even with trans issues he actually seems more charged to talk about than the sexual abuse and pedophilia. And it is an assumption to be skeptical of one's ability to hold distinctions between absolute and relative, because some people can hold those mental distinctions.

@Raptorsin7 What do you like about his way of pushing boundaries specifically? Becauss I think that his style is much less about pushing boundaries and more about being non partisan and centrist while having a dry self deprecating sense of humor with a bit of trolling, in so far as I've seen his interactons with Vaush, Rose, BookSmarts, Stardust and Destiny, this is the style I intuit from him. He is also not that interested in optics, manipulation and rhetoric and more interested in triggering some kind of reaction which creates self awareness of one's blind spot on specific hot issues. Objectively speaking, we have to create a few categories in regards to handling Pedophilia: one catagory is those who have a natural attraction to children, yet are tame and congruent with their society around them that they are highly responsible in how they handle their sexual urge, for example masturbating in private. Another catagory is Paedophiles who have natural attraction, but are less tame and incongruous to society around them, and either have less responsibility in handling their sexual urge in a healthy way which can lead to catharsis, or don't care and choose to express those urges, aka the pedophiles who are more sociopathic and/or psychopathic, which creates the sub category of psychological development and personality traits/typing. Objectively speaking, if their behaviours are significantly self monitored by themselves, or are managed by outside, then they are in the first catagory which are benign pedos, whuch means that standards in treating such cases would be lighter. However, if they develop across to the second category, and are born with those tendencies and are traumatized in childhood and haven't processed the childhood abuse out of their system, and either have the desire, intent and a history of offense, then in the second catagory our prescriptive approach changes into harsher treatment of such hard cases. Your subjective experience unfortunately is inferior to the objective approach in handling this issue, because the way you are asking how this issue should be handled is at the collective level of institutions, organisations, court systems, which is largely governed by consensus reality, cultures and objective agreed upon standards using the secular modernism framework. Just because god is the highest love in the infinitum domain, does not equal all Pedophilia is good in the relative domain. You are conflating God's love to being equal to relative treatemnt of a finite issue. This is like taking Leo's premise about all of reality is good, then adding a specific finite issue, and concluding from that that all aspects of that specific issue is good. That is a valid argument, but isn't sound and tenuous at best going from premises to conclusion. You are also confusing and conflating the relativity domain to absolute, by saying how this struggle is contradicting the claim that reality is all good, which is like making an apples to orange comparison, except you are comparing an apple to an alien planet, which has many layers of contrasts and isn't the same catagory at all.

@Porphyry Fedotov It seems there's a growing trend with some podcasts like Joe Rogan, Infinity waters, and Russel Brand being slightly against vaccine side effects. I don't know if orher podcasts are getting to be like this, or are leaning to pro vaccines, but for the majority of it being coincidental and merely the trend, a small aspect of it might be those that have experienced side effects.

@Harikrishnan @Swarnim No, they're scheduled to be replaced with smart, nano tech, metal alloy mercury pipe lines. 100% true.