Danioover9000

I'm happy to point out where your blinds pots are. Here's some of the guidelines you crossed over. " #1 Rule: Don't Be A Jerk No "debunking" and debating. Show a level of respect & humility. Demonstrate kindness, friendliness, and compassion towards fellow members. Show a willingness to learn and consider multiple points of view, rather than only pushing your own. Restrain your projections and egoic reactions. If we see you projecting your biases, judgments, misunderstandings, grudges, ignorance, and other egoic issues onto forum members, you will be banned." Read the below carefully before posting anything or pming anything to other users: "These are just the bare minimum quality standards expected of everyone on this forum. There are other implicit quality standards which are too numerous and subtle to enumerate, but our Mods will be watching you. So watch what you post. This is not a free-speech zone and we will definitely "censor" you and ban you if your presence here drags down the overall quality of the forum. If we see you repeatedly acting from ego with no self-awareness or ability to restrain yourself, you will be banned." If you think this whole thread is trolling, toxic, dangerous, misinformation and conspiracy theory because the whole thing is CIA funded, then report the thread and try not to be as toxic, trollist and dogmatic as the users you think are? Food for retrospection of your input here @Khr . Here's a video on Kazakhstan situation:

@Khr Watch what you say. You are treading a very thin line here. What ever happened in Ukraine and Belarus, has nothing to do with Kazakhstan's current political situation. If you feel the need to talk about Russia and Ukraine and Belarus, make another thread about that, but don't derail the thread when it's mainly about Kazakhstan.

@Fleetinglife I'm a wierdo free lancer, whose job isn't related to politics, MPs and Tony Blair as you make me out to be lol. I contribute my own way to the world, don't care about unsubstantiated criticisms against me, and part of my free time is spent in this forum, learning different resources, and personal development. My limited role in this thread, was learning about the situation, and pointing out to the few who're too passionate, maybe look at the forum guidelines again, tone yourselves down, and come back when you're not too heated up. Probably should have said that first then leave and take some action, but that's my sense of the situation, that to the few who are riled up, are only complaining and making this mostly about Russia and the USA, instead of mostly about KazaKhstan, it's society, it's culture, it's people. My role here in participating is done, so hopefully here's to a healthy thread discourse, or not.

@Leo Gura , @Roy and @Carl-Richard , are you following what's going on in this thread? Isn't this a good example of derailing, name calling and dogmatism? I think you might want to remind everyone here involved that this is a personal development forum, and not some other forum where freedom of speech and individual rights applies. This forum, ya all are not free in some freedom of speech zone where you fully start demonizing the other. If you truly are too triggered, maybe go out into the world you are in and maybe consider taking some action out there, rather than complaining and infecting everyone here with your victim mindset.

@K Ghoul Thanks for sharing what's happening in Kazakhstan from the inside. It gives more info to the unfolding situation.

This a good analysis by Destiny about the mrgirl and vaush debate. Some of his points remind me of this place:

@Gesundheit2 @Thunder Kiss You brought up a good point about how children do explore their own bodies and discover orgasmic experiences in their matrix of feelings. To add to that, some Sexologists share stories of when they were councilling couples who are parents themselves. One story from parents shared how they discovered their child sensually play with their seatbelt. Another, a mother, while reading a bed time story to her daughter, caught her stimulating herself while she red. The mother reprimanded her, but she wanted her to continue reading, but the mother left too upset to continue, and the father later had to tell her that it was not appropriate to do that with other people present. From a biological perspective, I think it's due to their skin being much more sensitive at that age, because the organism is still learning how to survive in its interactions with other entities and the environment, at the same time their brain trying to process information intake from around it, and the ego attaching simple meanings to it's surroundings at that time. This is probably why reality was so magical and vividly real at that age. The other point brought up by @Gesundheit2, about children desiring that not just from other children, but from adults, gets a bit tricky. I'll just say that it's very unlikely, but possible, that it could be the case. I also bring up a similar but unrelated point here, and that is children murderers and animal cruelty committed by children. If it's possible for a child, typically early adolescents, to commit a homicide to a younger or same aged child to them and to torture animals at that young of an age, then to me almost anything that is not too complex of an evil is possible for them as well.

@Fleetinglife I'm asking because I wanted to know what their perspectiveon of this situation is. What about yours? What do you also think @Carl-Richard ?

I've recently developed some heart palpitations. It has effected my fitness levels, activities, work and study capacity, my sex life, my stress levels, how I am with other relationships, a few hobbies of mine I can't perform as well before like for example dance and foot ball, and some meditation techniques I can't do without hurting my heart more. I will soon see a doctor for this. Meanwhile, if there's advice on heart issues, please share them to me so I can follow up. Thanks.

What do you think about the current situation @Roy , @Leo Gura ?

So the facts of the situation, is that Kazakhstan's government has lost control of the rioting, and the Russian government is sending part of it's army to regain order in that country?

@Carl-Richard I definitely agree, that the value systems and social systems that make people hate pedophiles, in their sense making through media, mainstream news portrayals, need to be addressed. Like I've stated to the OP, there are caricatures and different forms of this issue that it needs the nuance to address both the many surface points to the root. It takes two to have a discussion, but actually @Scholar was debating me a bit.

@OneIntoOne Ok ,thanks for the disclaimers.

@Carl-Richard Factoring out what? Leo's teachings and spirituality? I assume it's these, so in that reply to you, I just wanted it to be very stark about there is a distinction between a human and an animal. We can also go meta and include other creatures like insects, birds, reptiles, plants, fungi, every creature in a biosphere and hydrosphere and atmosphere and geosphere, aliens from other planets. Now, going back down to that time, I was engaging with @Scholar about the additional issues on top of addressing his position on the main issue being discussed when you wanted to involve yourself in between. Why I said to forget about those other teachings, is to get you to see that most normal people, their typical experiences when seeing, hearing and feeling between a human and an animal or any other creature or thing for comparison, is to see that most people do not see like you or me or @Scholar sees the world. It's very easy to take for granted the information from advanced teachings, mystical experiences, psychedelic experiences, non-dual experiences does to how a mind views reality again, and we could quickly generalize and think that most people are like, when in most cases that's not the case, it's relative. Also, do you have any suggestions as to how a society handles pedophilia?

@Scholar Technically not accurate. I started off answering the OP's question broadly, then I reduced the set of answers to address the issue inside of the context. I started off giving a large holistic perspective on OP's issue, then I reduced it down to specifics and possible treatment methods, and suggested to the OP to, if he's serious in treating the issue, to be mindful of which specific culture/society he asks of to address this issue, then to abstract, go broad with the ecology and consider other treatments while working with the particular society. Between you and me, while I went meta and mesa, I respected the context and issue and still tied the issue even when I went meta and narrowed down to specifics. You went mostly abstract with little narrowing down, and while you went broad you failed to tie back to how, for example, animal welfare and veganism would benefit in reducing pedophilia if at all. I give my own effort in thinking broad, then narrow, then made some suggestions to the OP, while you mostly went braod, included unrelated talking points of other issues, and gave little concrete examples to tie in how veganism and animal welfare help OP's issue. To this day, some users are still wondering what your actually point was, oh wait, you said you were not informed, so please research and prepared before posting, maybe give a disclaimer about your position going into this issue, maybe. I also don't have a problem having a meta discussion on those topics unrelated to OP'S issue at all. However, for the purposes of not derailing the thread, respecting the main issue, I just keep at the main issue, while pointing out mistakes on your abstraction. It's just scholarly of me to maintain discussion on a main issue, be mindful of tying in loose sub points in how they relate back to the main issue.

It's like, and it's my view, that as soon as pick up and proving others that they have slept with 10s is brought up, that spirituality, basic self help, self actualization and your life vision goes straight out the window. Like people forget they have their own life for a moment lol. This entire issue is a joke to me. Go work on your life. The better your life in general, and in specific, the easier it is to attract.

Now I understand why Leo doesn't want to do a Q&A, and a GoPro tour in his daily life.

@Scholar I understand you were just providing your perspective on handling pedophilia, and I'm not triggered, more curious about your position that when you stated the following: and claiming your take on the main issue of this thread is limited to not informed, then it becomes clear to me as to why you felt the need to bring up unrelated points simply because you were not informed at all. I just don't see any other reasons why you want to bring in unrelated issues about pedophilia, hijack this thread away from answering the question of how a society should handle pedophiles. You can easily create another thread talking about those other issues instead. Or if you truly are not informed, maybe it's better to go and do the research and learn about pedophilia beforehand, or maybe not saying you are completely not informed. I don't mean to seem like I'm going off on you, but it's just not a scholarly look to be not informed at all to me @Scholar.

@Carl-Richard If you factor out Leo's teachings, psychedelics, spirituality, humanitarianism, animal rights, environmentalism, new age ideas, basically all of stage green's values, and look at a human and animal from the stages below, what do they look like? I posit the majority of the answers will contain a strong distinction between that animal and that human. It's a workable assumption as it's closer to a normative one. Putting the above aside, my only gripe with @Scholar, is that he does not have any proposals that answers the OP's question directly with some possible solutions. Instead, he brings argument points unrelated to dealing with pedophilia, like bringing up animal rights, veganism, environmentalism, and while he did bring up the point of compassion which is much closer to a possible solution, the ultimate logical fallout from applying animal welfare and veganism and environmentalism to dealing with pedophilia, is to first make all pedophiles eat a vegan diet, while herding them all in their regions into farms, but the nicest and well taken care ones where they won't have diseases or injuries or further trauma in being treated like farm animals while preventing damage to the environment as best they can. Like wtf does veganism and animal welfare do for providing a practical and psychological solution to pedophiles?

@Scholar So, basically speaking, you have nothing meaningful to add to OP's question about how a society should handle pedophilia?

@Raptorsin7 So going back to how society should handle pedos question, it's important to recognize that that question is based in morality and ethics of handling such individuals from a societal perspective first. It's also important to know that before we begin we must agree on facts about pedophilia and other statistics and ongoing research beforehand because that provides some basis for possible solutons later. Also, because this is addressing at society, that the value systems of that culture, cognitive development, moral development, personality typing and life experiences a person and those citizens of will vary from state to state, country to country, region to region. So, what is the definition of pedophilia, and what is the stereotype of that? For example, immediately to me, that tends to be white and either upper class or middle class, either middle age or older, mostly due to mianstream media depictions of such people from western culture from movies and so on. Now, contrast and compare that to mrgirl's story of his lesbian mom's sexual attempt at him when he was around 8 years old. That's almost a different kind of pedo to deal with than a typical stereotype. How does a society handle a pedo, whose sex is female, sexual orientation is homosexuality, who might have a masculine psyche, who might have had a traumatic childhood, who might think differently due to some degree of abnormality to her brain? Because of development psychology in individuals and the development systems in societies, we first have to choose which society, culture and country to be specific about which society handles this issue, because every social matrix is going to handle this issue differently. We then have to agree on what the facts we have on pedophilia going forward, so let's assume we agree there are cases that some individuals are born with a genetic trait for this tendency, and this tendency is also hereditary and eugenic in that the grand parent/parent has suppressed pedo tendency which passes on to the offspring, and that categorically, there are those that offend and those that don't and are suppressing their tendency. Going forward with these assumptions, while keeping in mind different societies have varying approaches to this issue, we can offer treatments plans that would start out abstract enough to be changeable per society standards, and flexible enough to be narrowed down to that particular person with this issue. For example, a pedo who was a victim himself/herself, would get therapy targeting that childhood trauma, tailored to their cognition, sense making and sense metrics. For another whose born with those genetic traits, they could be offered a different approach, like gene therapy. They can be prescribed healthier alternatives like a sex robot, or VR, or guided hypnosis, and so on. So, how should societies atound the world handle this issue? It depends per society standards and what each society is willing to address, build infrastructure for, and build specialised treatments for such an issue.

@Emotionalmosquito Moreover, it depends on what time of day, the location, and which culture you are trying to do pick up in. There's no way that cold approaching and doing pick up in Las Vegas, would easily translate with the same succass in a different country, with different cultures like in Japan, or in Greece. Not only do we have barriers in value systems from different cultures, but we also have differences in cognitive framework, like male and female psychology, and how one thinks about dating and sex can be pretty different from person to person, like autistic people, or depressed people. Closely related to cognition is personality typing, like if you are way more of a logician, you will filter differently from someone who is more extroverted, versus someone who is highly emotional. Add to that, moral differences and related life experiences in regards to socializing, dating, and sexuality, it's almost an uphill battle to even get laid in the traditional sense.

Furst of all, I offer my condolences to you. I've read his trip reports, and the way the user articulated those experiences were really good. I wish you good recovery going through the grief cycle.

@Scholar What do you suggest we do to properly treat pedophilia? Do you think that treatment will depend on the culture and society? Which treatment do you think will better this issue? Do you think that treatment would come down to the individual? Do you think that this issue is more psychological than hard wiring? And which treatment is best for which case?

@Roy Good points.